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Are there any opinions on which characterizations from the Sydney Morning Herald piece at https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/what-i-ve-done-makes-sense-to-me-the-complicated-colourful-life-of-david-mcbride-20190621-p5204h.html are appropriate for this article, particularly from a WP:BLP perspective? It suggests a sense of duty and purpose, but also unreliability in some areas, and a personal agenda that includes, but goes beyond the war crimes allegations. So far the citations used have been generally for basic biographical information; what do we think about repeating some of the other conclusions from that source? TheFeds 06:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
To be fair to McBride, he's always stated what his motivation was for leaking the documents but it's apparently not what people want to hear, especially after the ABC was raided.
See below - McBride was complaining about government and ADF misconduct, not the conduct of soldiers. https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/06/09/sas-inquiry-whistleblower/ https://www.mondaq.com/australia/court-procedure/867394/military-whistleblower-not-allowed-to-choose-his-own-lawyer-an-interview-with-david-mcbride
McBride was disappointed by what the ABC reported in their first 2017 report, The Afghan Files. He says it was a "different story to the one I wanted." https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/army-leak-lawyer-i-did-the-right-thing/news-story/62d73d89d8c230bc4aa03b1777ccf6fd
McBride was upset with the ABC for focusing on potential unlawful killings by troops, so much so that he stopped speaking to Dan Oakes, the ABC journalist he leaked to. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6457267/judges-warning-for-defence-whistleblower/?cs=14231
McBride wrote a paper in 2012 outlining his problems with the ROE. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUYrBkIntLaw/2012/3.pdf
As for characterisation, I will leave that to others. There are contradictions (when he ran for office in Coogee he said he was in the British SAS, now he says he failed to get in twice) but it's unclear whether that's due to sloppy reporting or mental health issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madsqueak ( talk • contribs) 07:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Do we have reliable sources that clearly state that McBride provided information about some or all of the specific incidents Brereton discussed in his report? It seems clear that the inquiry took action in response to McBride, but did Brereton actually corroborate any particular disclosure? TheFeds 07:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
As an editor has noted and tagged, that there is no "combat services medal" in Australia, at least that I can, in my inexpert research, find. [1] Strangely, there are, though, plenty of "reliable sources" that state that McBride did receive a medal called that, including an Age column by his lawyer, [2] a parliamentary speech by Rebekha Sharkie MP, [3] and an ABC News article that quotes his lawyer again. [4] While the people quoted or writing in these sources are not neutral, the outlets are usually reliable and fact check, etc., so I find it odd that no media have checked and rejected / corrected.
Anyway, wondering if they mean something like the Australian Defence Medal? Someone who knows Australian military matters might advise here. I think I could track down a cite for which, if any, medal McBride was awarded if I could start from the other end, with the likely correct name. Thanks 49.177.64.138 ( talk) 05:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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In recent videos on McBride's own Youtube channel he mentioned some kind of work, I believe in security for some diplomats who were meeting the Taliban in Kabul, during the 1990s. I couldn't find a 3rd party references for this information, but it may be relevant to BLP if someone can find one. 60.241.72.34 ( talk) 04:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
He attributes the reporting of that perspective to an attempt at character assassination by the press. And indeed, any investigation of that suggestion reveals it to be palpably ridiculous. McBride's position is given in several youtube videos. How should we include this information into the article? Blex-max ( talk) 13:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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Are there any opinions on which characterizations from the Sydney Morning Herald piece at https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/what-i-ve-done-makes-sense-to-me-the-complicated-colourful-life-of-david-mcbride-20190621-p5204h.html are appropriate for this article, particularly from a WP:BLP perspective? It suggests a sense of duty and purpose, but also unreliability in some areas, and a personal agenda that includes, but goes beyond the war crimes allegations. So far the citations used have been generally for basic biographical information; what do we think about repeating some of the other conclusions from that source? TheFeds 06:53, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
To be fair to McBride, he's always stated what his motivation was for leaking the documents but it's apparently not what people want to hear, especially after the ABC was raided.
See below - McBride was complaining about government and ADF misconduct, not the conduct of soldiers. https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2019/06/09/sas-inquiry-whistleblower/ https://www.mondaq.com/australia/court-procedure/867394/military-whistleblower-not-allowed-to-choose-his-own-lawyer-an-interview-with-david-mcbride
McBride was disappointed by what the ABC reported in their first 2017 report, The Afghan Files. He says it was a "different story to the one I wanted." https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/army-leak-lawyer-i-did-the-right-thing/news-story/62d73d89d8c230bc4aa03b1777ccf6fd
McBride was upset with the ABC for focusing on potential unlawful killings by troops, so much so that he stopped speaking to Dan Oakes, the ABC journalist he leaked to. https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/6457267/judges-warning-for-defence-whistleblower/?cs=14231
McBride wrote a paper in 2012 outlining his problems with the ROE. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AUYrBkIntLaw/2012/3.pdf
As for characterisation, I will leave that to others. There are contradictions (when he ran for office in Coogee he said he was in the British SAS, now he says he failed to get in twice) but it's unclear whether that's due to sloppy reporting or mental health issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madsqueak ( talk • contribs) 07:18, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
Do we have reliable sources that clearly state that McBride provided information about some or all of the specific incidents Brereton discussed in his report? It seems clear that the inquiry took action in response to McBride, but did Brereton actually corroborate any particular disclosure? TheFeds 07:03, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
As an editor has noted and tagged, that there is no "combat services medal" in Australia, at least that I can, in my inexpert research, find. [1] Strangely, there are, though, plenty of "reliable sources" that state that McBride did receive a medal called that, including an Age column by his lawyer, [2] a parliamentary speech by Rebekha Sharkie MP, [3] and an ABC News article that quotes his lawyer again. [4] While the people quoted or writing in these sources are not neutral, the outlets are usually reliable and fact check, etc., so I find it odd that no media have checked and rejected / corrected.
Anyway, wondering if they mean something like the Australian Defence Medal? Someone who knows Australian military matters might advise here. I think I could track down a cite for which, if any, medal McBride was awarded if I could start from the other end, with the likely correct name. Thanks 49.177.64.138 ( talk) 05:40, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
References
In recent videos on McBride's own Youtube channel he mentioned some kind of work, I believe in security for some diplomats who were meeting the Taliban in Kabul, during the 1990s. I couldn't find a 3rd party references for this information, but it may be relevant to BLP if someone can find one. 60.241.72.34 ( talk) 04:55, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
He attributes the reporting of that perspective to an attempt at character assassination by the press. And indeed, any investigation of that suggestion reveals it to be palpably ridiculous. McBride's position is given in several youtube videos. How should we include this information into the article? Blex-max ( talk) 13:22, 2 May 2024 (UTC)