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Note: I was recently reading this page for historical content and was shocked by the stark resemblance of it to the history of William Miller, which is seemingly word for word. Unfortunately the Miller reproduction online at orthodox christianity. net is no longer available to check it against. Can anyone verify my suspicions or disprove them? If they can verify them, I would be happy to rewrite the article.-- Dustiescott 05:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not the one who flagged this article, but I understand why it was done. First, in its current version there are a lot of unhelpful citations: e.g. "Niketas Choniates, pg. 842"; who Niketas Choniates was -- or if Niketas wrote a book called "Choniates" -- is not explained. Second is the surprising statement that David Komnenos did not die in the siege of Sinope in 1214, but as a monk, which contradicts the account in the standard histories. Of course, the standard histories are old--William Miller's Trebizond, the Last Greek Empire was published in 1926, & Finlay's History of Greece in 1877--but late Byzantine/medieval Greek history is a subject where research progresses very slowly. Vasiliev's 1936 article in Speculum assumes David died in that battle, for example, although he does not provide any evidence that rules out David's end as a monk. And I'm working on uncovering more recent publications about the Empire of Trebizond, so maybe I might find the work an editor with a low contribution history-- Dustiescott--based his changes on. In any case, this article needs a careful vetting; I don't know if it's accurate or not.-- llywrch ( talk) 03:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I have read biographies of every Roman Emperor from Augustus to Constantine XI, I don't recall a single royal person called David, until this David, who, though originally from Constantinople, grew up in Georgia, a place where Hebrew names were liked, names such as David. So I wonderif he was renamed David from something else. If his original name had been Andronikos after his terrible grandfather Andronikos I, for example, his Georgian relatives might want to change it. While I am thinking about it, if his brother had an unfortunate name originally, being renamed Alexios after Alexios I Komnenos (of Constantinople) would be a better alternative. Middle More Rider ( talk) 19:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
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Note: I was recently reading this page for historical content and was shocked by the stark resemblance of it to the history of William Miller, which is seemingly word for word. Unfortunately the Miller reproduction online at orthodox christianity. net is no longer available to check it against. Can anyone verify my suspicions or disprove them? If they can verify them, I would be happy to rewrite the article.-- Dustiescott 05:48, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm not the one who flagged this article, but I understand why it was done. First, in its current version there are a lot of unhelpful citations: e.g. "Niketas Choniates, pg. 842"; who Niketas Choniates was -- or if Niketas wrote a book called "Choniates" -- is not explained. Second is the surprising statement that David Komnenos did not die in the siege of Sinope in 1214, but as a monk, which contradicts the account in the standard histories. Of course, the standard histories are old--William Miller's Trebizond, the Last Greek Empire was published in 1926, & Finlay's History of Greece in 1877--but late Byzantine/medieval Greek history is a subject where research progresses very slowly. Vasiliev's 1936 article in Speculum assumes David died in that battle, for example, although he does not provide any evidence that rules out David's end as a monk. And I'm working on uncovering more recent publications about the Empire of Trebizond, so maybe I might find the work an editor with a low contribution history-- Dustiescott--based his changes on. In any case, this article needs a careful vetting; I don't know if it's accurate or not.-- llywrch ( talk) 03:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
I have read biographies of every Roman Emperor from Augustus to Constantine XI, I don't recall a single royal person called David, until this David, who, though originally from Constantinople, grew up in Georgia, a place where Hebrew names were liked, names such as David. So I wonderif he was renamed David from something else. If his original name had been Andronikos after his terrible grandfather Andronikos I, for example, his Georgian relatives might want to change it. While I am thinking about it, if his brother had an unfortunate name originally, being renamed Alexios after Alexios I Komnenos (of Constantinople) would be a better alternative. Middle More Rider ( talk) 19:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)