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The 2 adjacent links "St Louis" and "Jesuits" toward the end of the article should be changed to a single link to the article "St Louis Jesuits", as the context makes clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.156.155 ( talk) 21:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Several of the citations/sources listed for this page are no longer active. Isn't it necessary for sources to be provided for some information to remain? Reference 1, 15
Also, I have tried to update the "Awards" section multiple times now, and someone is going back and changing it. The Honorary Degree was rescinded by the University - you will see that what is being done is that readers are being referred to an archived webpage. The most up-to-date webpage is https://www.up.edu/commencement/honorary-degrees/index.html and clearly no longer includes Haas name.
Finally, the 2nd and 3rd external link is no longer active, as neither publisher includes his bio or is selling his works any longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.216.238 ( talk) 22:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
https://www.snapnetwork.org/solidarity_into_account_survivors_david_haas_jun20
This is an absolutely trustworthy source. It is not vandalism.
The allegations are unproven. The cited document does not establish the veracity of the allegations; rather, it contains multiple statements known to be erroneous and/or inaccurate. The facts are that there is no criminal complaint, and there is no investigation in progress. At this point, this is digital vigilantism, and legal recourse is being evaluated. That said, if these allegations are proven true, this section should be restored. Macserv ( talk) 19:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Are you going to call the internet police on me Dave for posting cited statements on your Wikipedia page?
The allegations were not revealed by SNAP, they were revealed by IntoAccount, and re-posted by SNAP. There is also no mention of the "grooming of teenage girls" in the allegations. At the very least, your edit would need to be reworked to be consistent with the source you are citing. Macserv ( talk) 21:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
David, from the cited material "The youngest victim reported to us was nineteen years old at the time of the alleged sexual battery, while Haas was over fifty.” " The last time I checked a nineTEEN year old was still a teenager. You need to stop trying to edit your way out of trouble. I also posted another news citation about this. 2600:6C44:257F:7C04:E809:F972:DF:A668 ( talk) 00:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Again, the added statements are inaccurate and presumptive, and can not be allowed to stand. This is not a place for editorial ( WP:NPOV). Your additional reference also duplicates the cited source. Macserv ( talk) 03:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
The Post about you losing your contract because of the allegations is FROM GIA. It is not made up, it is not spurious. The source of the Allegations is not some fly by night made up source. Why else would you have locked your Facebook group this morning as well? StPeterDamian ( talk) 03:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
You are correct that the post is from GIA, but it does not say that the Subject's contract was terminated. Editorializing is not permitted here ( WP:NPOV). Regarding Facebook groups: I have no information to indicate why there were any changes; the text of the sources provided do not provide any information, and speculation is not appropriate here ( WP:Verifiability). Macserv ( talk) 18:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
You are so full of it David. The other person rewrote it and it was a lot better and more neutral. I will conceed that. Look at the damn post from GIA again. I will post it here: Early this year we became aware of allegations of sexual misconduct by David Haas, and we learned the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis was considering a decision not to provide him a letter of suitability. In response, we suspended our sponsorship and publishing relationship with Mr. Haas, and have not sponsored his work since late January.
New allegations of sexually abusive conduct by Mr. Haas continue to be reported. We take these reports seriously. GIA Publications supports and stands with victims. We must join together to address and prevent sexual abuse.
If you would like to share any information or make a report, please contact www.intoaccount.org.
It says it clear as a bell. Quit trying to muddy the waters to protect your rep. StPeterDamian ( talk) 22:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
"The Subject is a colleague; I am seeking only impartiality and truth in this matter." You should not be editing the article. It just looks like you are trying to cover up what happened. And this is more then just an allagation. The Archdioceses confirms something happened and is giving your buddy the boot. StPeterDamian ( talk) 02:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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David Haas is listed as a current employee of Cretin-Derham Hall High School. While he was employed in the past, he is no longer associated with the school. I currently work for Cretin-Derham Hall, so have first-hand knowledge of this. 2020RaiderWiki ( talk) 16:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Here is a link to the official statement from Cretin-Derham Hall on David Haas. He was a contractor from 2011-2015 and last associated with the school in 2018. https://www.cretin-derhamhall.org/news-hub/articles/statement-allegations-related-david-haas/ 2020RaiderWiki ( talk) 21:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
DarthFlappy The page still states that David Haas is a member of the campus ministry team at Cretin-Derham Hall, which is inaccurate. He is not, and has not been for years, as per the linked official statement. Please edit the article to state that he was a member of the team from 2011-2015. His last association with the school was when he was contracted to provide music for a Mass in 2018. [1]```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2020RaiderWiki ( talk • contribs) 08:18, June 17, 2020 (UTC)
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Apparently the controversy and reactions made its way to the NYTimes, so this might be a useful source. I can't get to it right now, so posting in case someone else wants to get it before I do. (quite the coincidence - a friend sent me that link, this was the first he'd heard about the sexual assault allegations, and my reply was "well, sure, I've been dealing with people posting poorly sourced details about this on his Wikipedia article for two months now!") GeneralNotability ( talk) 21:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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The 2 adjacent links "St Louis" and "Jesuits" toward the end of the article should be changed to a single link to the article "St Louis Jesuits", as the context makes clear. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.156.155 ( talk) 21:58, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Several of the citations/sources listed for this page are no longer active. Isn't it necessary for sources to be provided for some information to remain? Reference 1, 15
Also, I have tried to update the "Awards" section multiple times now, and someone is going back and changing it. The Honorary Degree was rescinded by the University - you will see that what is being done is that readers are being referred to an archived webpage. The most up-to-date webpage is https://www.up.edu/commencement/honorary-degrees/index.html and clearly no longer includes Haas name.
Finally, the 2nd and 3rd external link is no longer active, as neither publisher includes his bio or is selling his works any longer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.216.238 ( talk) 22:55, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
https://www.snapnetwork.org/solidarity_into_account_survivors_david_haas_jun20
This is an absolutely trustworthy source. It is not vandalism.
The allegations are unproven. The cited document does not establish the veracity of the allegations; rather, it contains multiple statements known to be erroneous and/or inaccurate. The facts are that there is no criminal complaint, and there is no investigation in progress. At this point, this is digital vigilantism, and legal recourse is being evaluated. That said, if these allegations are proven true, this section should be restored. Macserv ( talk) 19:50, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Are you going to call the internet police on me Dave for posting cited statements on your Wikipedia page?
The allegations were not revealed by SNAP, they were revealed by IntoAccount, and re-posted by SNAP. There is also no mention of the "grooming of teenage girls" in the allegations. At the very least, your edit would need to be reworked to be consistent with the source you are citing. Macserv ( talk) 21:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
David, from the cited material "The youngest victim reported to us was nineteen years old at the time of the alleged sexual battery, while Haas was over fifty.” " The last time I checked a nineTEEN year old was still a teenager. You need to stop trying to edit your way out of trouble. I also posted another news citation about this. 2600:6C44:257F:7C04:E809:F972:DF:A668 ( talk) 00:09, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Again, the added statements are inaccurate and presumptive, and can not be allowed to stand. This is not a place for editorial ( WP:NPOV). Your additional reference also duplicates the cited source. Macserv ( talk) 03:44, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
The Post about you losing your contract because of the allegations is FROM GIA. It is not made up, it is not spurious. The source of the Allegations is not some fly by night made up source. Why else would you have locked your Facebook group this morning as well? StPeterDamian ( talk) 03:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
You are correct that the post is from GIA, but it does not say that the Subject's contract was terminated. Editorializing is not permitted here ( WP:NPOV). Regarding Facebook groups: I have no information to indicate why there were any changes; the text of the sources provided do not provide any information, and speculation is not appropriate here ( WP:Verifiability). Macserv ( talk) 18:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
You are so full of it David. The other person rewrote it and it was a lot better and more neutral. I will conceed that. Look at the damn post from GIA again. I will post it here: Early this year we became aware of allegations of sexual misconduct by David Haas, and we learned the Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis was considering a decision not to provide him a letter of suitability. In response, we suspended our sponsorship and publishing relationship with Mr. Haas, and have not sponsored his work since late January.
New allegations of sexually abusive conduct by Mr. Haas continue to be reported. We take these reports seriously. GIA Publications supports and stands with victims. We must join together to address and prevent sexual abuse.
If you would like to share any information or make a report, please contact www.intoaccount.org.
It says it clear as a bell. Quit trying to muddy the waters to protect your rep. StPeterDamian ( talk) 22:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
"The Subject is a colleague; I am seeking only impartiality and truth in this matter." You should not be editing the article. It just looks like you are trying to cover up what happened. And this is more then just an allagation. The Archdioceses confirms something happened and is giving your buddy the boot. StPeterDamian ( talk) 02:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
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David Haas is listed as a current employee of Cretin-Derham Hall High School. While he was employed in the past, he is no longer associated with the school. I currently work for Cretin-Derham Hall, so have first-hand knowledge of this. 2020RaiderWiki ( talk) 16:11, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
Here is a link to the official statement from Cretin-Derham Hall on David Haas. He was a contractor from 2011-2015 and last associated with the school in 2018. https://www.cretin-derhamhall.org/news-hub/articles/statement-allegations-related-david-haas/ 2020RaiderWiki ( talk) 21:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
DarthFlappy The page still states that David Haas is a member of the campus ministry team at Cretin-Derham Hall, which is inaccurate. He is not, and has not been for years, as per the linked official statement. Please edit the article to state that he was a member of the team from 2011-2015. His last association with the school was when he was contracted to provide music for a Mass in 2018. [1]```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2020RaiderWiki ( talk • contribs) 08:18, June 17, 2020 (UTC)
{{ping|DarthFlappy}}
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«Talk» 22:09, 17 June 2020 (UTC)References
Apparently the controversy and reactions made its way to the NYTimes, so this might be a useful source. I can't get to it right now, so posting in case someone else wants to get it before I do. (quite the coincidence - a friend sent me that link, this was the first he'd heard about the sexual assault allegations, and my reply was "well, sure, I've been dealing with people posting poorly sourced details about this on his Wikipedia article for two months now!") GeneralNotability ( talk) 21:22, 10 August 2020 (UTC)