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This article seems to have a bit of a NPOV problem, particularly the 'short sighted selectors' paragraph. I don't trust myself to be able to write a decent sounding biography, I'm sure there are plenty of contributors out there who can do a better job than I would. Raven4x4x 00:40, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Who described him as "aloof"? All the former players' biographies I've seen which comment on his personality describe him as affable, approachable and easy natured. Meltingpot ( talk) 19:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree about the NPOV and have added a more detailed summary of DG's demise as an international player. It is also worth mentioning that Gower's decision to sit out the '87 world cup really rankled as it blew what was probably our best chance. Also he was the butt of many of the jokes on "They Think Its All Over"
Yes true but look on the bright side - at least he went out at the top of his game, after that superb innings against Pakistan in 1992 where he beat Geoff Boycott's runs record in Tests. He also missed the "chance" to contract food poisoning in India as several of the England squad did (from eating a plate of prawns). It was a bad decision for England but maybe not such a bad one for him. Meltingpot ( talk) 19:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Is it true that he was turned down by Kent on the grounds that someone of upper=class background and education would not be any good, so went to Leicester instead? Esedowns ( talk) 17:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Gower in the 1990s became a proponent of a risky shot the Reverse Sweep that undermined his usefulness as a left handed player.
Is this true ? I haven't seen much English cricket from this time, but have listened to a lot of radio commentary. Can't remember hearing about him playing a single reverse sweep. Tintin 12:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I have seen film of him attempting the shot and recall commentators at the time complaining but will remove until I get a clear citation.
I've made a brief reference to the fact that he is now involved in an online wine business, but this was the best I could come up with by way of confirmation;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/1482336.stm
Meltingpot ( talk) 16:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Was it a Gypsy Moth, or a Tiger Moth? ( Camillofan 15:50, 9 August 2006)
According to Michael Atherton's 2003 autobiography 'Opening Up' it was a Tiger Moth, not a Gypsy Moth (Gingersonny, 16th August 2006)
There was no proffessional rugby Union at the time Gower was at school and I'd be very surprized if he played Rugby League. Where does the citation-less statement on his rugby come from? It needs clarification and probably shouldn't be in the introductory paragraph. Epeeist smudge 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I played with Dave Gower on the 1st XV of the King's Canterbury rugby team. As Epeeist smudge says, there was no professional rugby union in those days and there was no chance of Gower playing rugby league. He played outside half, and was a natural, but not outstanding rugby player and was not particularly interested in the sport. Timpontardawe 09:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I've edited the paragraph to say he was a talented rugby union player. Still needs a citation- although I don't doubt Timpontardawe's word for a minute, it doesn't count as a citation. I'm not surprised he was a stand-off. Hard to imagine him as a tight-head prop! Epeeist smudge 18:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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I'm afraid this article is a bit of a mess at the moment and quite a way off GA. I think it more than justifies a quick-fail, but as I think it deserves better, we can keep it going for at least a week. However, there is A LOT to sort out here. I've only read up to the end of the domestic section so far and it is very inconsistent. It needs to be decided how much detail is to be given; some seasons are very detailed but some are not mentioned at all. Two matches are described at length but there is 10 years of one day cricket missed out. I have not worried too much about sourcing yet, nor with the prose (which may stand tightening in places but nothing major). And I get the impression, from skimming the rest, that there is quite a lot that is unsaid. I think some wider sources are needed, and as there is no biography that I know of, maybe newspapers can fill some gaps, such as this; I know it is how they fill up North American sports articles. Anyway, here are some points to begin with but they are not exhaustive. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Other stuff:
I'll place this on hold, but I think we need to see some improvement and fast. If nothing has really happened within a week, I will fail this article. If longer is needed to make progress, it may be better to fail for now and renominate once the work has been done. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
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Didn’t he hold the record for the most runs scored in a test match (both innings combined)?
If not him; who? (I can’t get google to tell me).
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This article seems to have a bit of a NPOV problem, particularly the 'short sighted selectors' paragraph. I don't trust myself to be able to write a decent sounding biography, I'm sure there are plenty of contributors out there who can do a better job than I would. Raven4x4x 00:40, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
Who described him as "aloof"? All the former players' biographies I've seen which comment on his personality describe him as affable, approachable and easy natured. Meltingpot ( talk) 19:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I agree about the NPOV and have added a more detailed summary of DG's demise as an international player. It is also worth mentioning that Gower's decision to sit out the '87 world cup really rankled as it blew what was probably our best chance. Also he was the butt of many of the jokes on "They Think Its All Over"
Yes true but look on the bright side - at least he went out at the top of his game, after that superb innings against Pakistan in 1992 where he beat Geoff Boycott's runs record in Tests. He also missed the "chance" to contract food poisoning in India as several of the England squad did (from eating a plate of prawns). It was a bad decision for England but maybe not such a bad one for him. Meltingpot ( talk) 19:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Is it true that he was turned down by Kent on the grounds that someone of upper=class background and education would not be any good, so went to Leicester instead? Esedowns ( talk) 17:35, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Gower in the 1990s became a proponent of a risky shot the Reverse Sweep that undermined his usefulness as a left handed player.
Is this true ? I haven't seen much English cricket from this time, but have listened to a lot of radio commentary. Can't remember hearing about him playing a single reverse sweep. Tintin 12:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I have seen film of him attempting the shot and recall commentators at the time complaining but will remove until I get a clear citation.
I've made a brief reference to the fact that he is now involved in an online wine business, but this was the best I could come up with by way of confirmation;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/the_ashes/1482336.stm
Meltingpot ( talk) 16:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Was it a Gypsy Moth, or a Tiger Moth? ( Camillofan 15:50, 9 August 2006)
According to Michael Atherton's 2003 autobiography 'Opening Up' it was a Tiger Moth, not a Gypsy Moth (Gingersonny, 16th August 2006)
There was no proffessional rugby Union at the time Gower was at school and I'd be very surprized if he played Rugby League. Where does the citation-less statement on his rugby come from? It needs clarification and probably shouldn't be in the introductory paragraph. Epeeist smudge 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I played with Dave Gower on the 1st XV of the King's Canterbury rugby team. As Epeeist smudge says, there was no professional rugby union in those days and there was no chance of Gower playing rugby league. He played outside half, and was a natural, but not outstanding rugby player and was not particularly interested in the sport. Timpontardawe 09:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I've edited the paragraph to say he was a talented rugby union player. Still needs a citation- although I don't doubt Timpontardawe's word for a minute, it doesn't count as a citation. I'm not surprised he was a stand-off. Hard to imagine him as a tight-head prop! Epeeist smudge 18:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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I'm afraid this article is a bit of a mess at the moment and quite a way off GA. I think it more than justifies a quick-fail, but as I think it deserves better, we can keep it going for at least a week. However, there is A LOT to sort out here. I've only read up to the end of the domestic section so far and it is very inconsistent. It needs to be decided how much detail is to be given; some seasons are very detailed but some are not mentioned at all. Two matches are described at length but there is 10 years of one day cricket missed out. I have not worried too much about sourcing yet, nor with the prose (which may stand tightening in places but nothing major). And I get the impression, from skimming the rest, that there is quite a lot that is unsaid. I think some wider sources are needed, and as there is no biography that I know of, maybe newspapers can fill some gaps, such as this; I know it is how they fill up North American sports articles. Anyway, here are some points to begin with but they are not exhaustive. -- Sarastro1 ( talk) 22:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Other stuff:
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Didn’t he hold the record for the most runs scored in a test match (both innings combined)?
If not him; who? (I can’t get google to tell me).
MBG02 ( talk) 12:49, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/65624158 -- Dweller ( talk) Old fashioned is the new thing! 08:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)