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This article is written in a promotional tone at present. It uses peacock language
WP:PEA and sounds as if it is written by Giammarco or his management team. I edited for
neutral point of view,
notability,
advertising content and
promotional tone. I added WP syntax for links, titles and citations. At present the article does not accord with WP guidelines or
style. My edits were reversed without explanation. Having read the
basic guidelines, if there are objections to my edits, please discuss here. Thank you.
Spanglej (
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19:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)reply
I have reverted edits on this page re the above. Please discuss here if there is issue with WP guideliines or changes made. I have no wish for an edit war. It won't help anyone
Spanglej (
talk)
09:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Burrowsdcan. Regarding your edits of
David Giammarco, which edits do you take issue with? If you see the talk page, you will see there is an ongoing difficulty with this article. It is essentially written as a promotion piece for Giammarco. Re
WP:PEA,
WP:WTW,
WP:PROMOTION and many other WP guidelines, this type of blatant
use of WP as a resume service is not ok. If you look at my edit summaries, you will see that many of the refs given were links to the same page or were
IMDb biog links which are also not ok. I would appreciate your reversion back to my edits which were careful and noted in detail. If you think the syntax is choppy, please smooth it out. You will see that you have reverted WP code syntax, taken out links, italicisation and disambiguations. I hope the rationale behind the edits is clear to you. Best wishes
Spanglej (
talk)
06:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Hi Spannglej,
I'm a former TV Guide editor in Canada and a longtime media writer - I believe you mistakenly removed too many pieces of pertinent biographical data from the entry for a prominent individual from this country. I restored a plethora of online sourcing which had been deleted. There is much more that is not available online - as you know, major publications don't always have a complete online library from the archives. Lexus-Nexus is the most viable alternative to web sourcing. I, for one, wrote a feature on Mr. Giammarco back in 2004 which doesn't appear on the web. I believe the article is clear, concise, and lists important highlights as is. I don't quite understand how it is considered promotional when it simply lists achievements and biographical data that properly characterizes the many and varied aspects of his long career. If you feel extremely passionate about this issue, please do let me know and I will be happy to work with you. I have over 25 years editing experience in Canadian media. Thank you.
This article will be brought down to a stub in a few days if the sourcing and referencing is not put in place properly. Spanglej's observations are correct. On Wikipedia, if a statement is made that a book is a best-seller, then a source has to be provided to
verify the claim - something in the form of an industry trade publication such as Publishers Weekly, or a link to the New York Times bestseller's list. The mistake being made here is to provide links that the books and articles exist - but none of those links verify the statements about the information. Until the statements are verified, the article will have to be cut down. I've commented out the links for now because someone put a lot of work into formatting them - they're still there, but hidden. The information can still be seen in the history and retrieved from there if necessary. I'm have this article and talkpage on my
watchlist and will respond to questions here.
Truthkeeper88 (
talk)
02:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or
poorly sourcedmust be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially
libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to
this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page.
This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following
WikiProjects:
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to
join the project and
contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the
documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
Canada on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CanadaWikipedia:WikiProject CanadaTemplate:WikiProject CanadaCanada-related articles
This article is written in a promotional tone at present. It uses peacock language
WP:PEA and sounds as if it is written by Giammarco or his management team. I edited for
neutral point of view,
notability,
advertising content and
promotional tone. I added WP syntax for links, titles and citations. At present the article does not accord with WP guidelines or
style. My edits were reversed without explanation. Having read the
basic guidelines, if there are objections to my edits, please discuss here. Thank you.
Spanglej (
talk)
19:02, 9 August 2010 (UTC)reply
I have reverted edits on this page re the above. Please discuss here if there is issue with WP guideliines or changes made. I have no wish for an edit war. It won't help anyone
Spanglej (
talk)
09:17, 11 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Burrowsdcan. Regarding your edits of
David Giammarco, which edits do you take issue with? If you see the talk page, you will see there is an ongoing difficulty with this article. It is essentially written as a promotion piece for Giammarco. Re
WP:PEA,
WP:WTW,
WP:PROMOTION and many other WP guidelines, this type of blatant
use of WP as a resume service is not ok. If you look at my edit summaries, you will see that many of the refs given were links to the same page or were
IMDb biog links which are also not ok. I would appreciate your reversion back to my edits which were careful and noted in detail. If you think the syntax is choppy, please smooth it out. You will see that you have reverted WP code syntax, taken out links, italicisation and disambiguations. I hope the rationale behind the edits is clear to you. Best wishes
Spanglej (
talk)
06:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Hi Spannglej,
I'm a former TV Guide editor in Canada and a longtime media writer - I believe you mistakenly removed too many pieces of pertinent biographical data from the entry for a prominent individual from this country. I restored a plethora of online sourcing which had been deleted. There is much more that is not available online - as you know, major publications don't always have a complete online library from the archives. Lexus-Nexus is the most viable alternative to web sourcing. I, for one, wrote a feature on Mr. Giammarco back in 2004 which doesn't appear on the web. I believe the article is clear, concise, and lists important highlights as is. I don't quite understand how it is considered promotional when it simply lists achievements and biographical data that properly characterizes the many and varied aspects of his long career. If you feel extremely passionate about this issue, please do let me know and I will be happy to work with you. I have over 25 years editing experience in Canadian media. Thank you.
This article will be brought down to a stub in a few days if the sourcing and referencing is not put in place properly. Spanglej's observations are correct. On Wikipedia, if a statement is made that a book is a best-seller, then a source has to be provided to
verify the claim - something in the form of an industry trade publication such as Publishers Weekly, or a link to the New York Times bestseller's list. The mistake being made here is to provide links that the books and articles exist - but none of those links verify the statements about the information. Until the statements are verified, the article will have to be cut down. I've commented out the links for now because someone put a lot of work into formatting them - they're still there, but hidden. The information can still be seen in the history and retrieved from there if necessary. I'm have this article and talkpage on my
watchlist and will respond to questions here.
Truthkeeper88 (
talk)
02:48, 29 August 2010 (UTC)reply