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Does he really warrant his own page ? -- Beardo 22:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I remember having seen David Gaiman on a document about Operation Cat. It is briefly mentioned here [1]. It was mentioned on a german show about the activities of David Gaiman in Russia a few years ago, to show his dark past :) -- Tilman 21:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a request at the BLP noticeboard, stating that Neil Gaiman has no relation to the subject of this article. As there is no source provided to assert that relationship, I have removed it as per WP:BLP. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
As it is accepted oon the above discussion that there is no evidence that the Neil Gaiman in the supposed article is fantasy author neil gaiman, the line referenceing his son as being a famous fantasy author must be removed.
Private person. Minor businessman. Ex-CoS exec. Shows up in some courts docs. Not charged? How is he notable? Please prove notability as other than his name appearing in a little bit of press appearing as a PR person. The rest of the article is manufactured "notability" out of the details of a private person's life. -- Justanother 03:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
He was also involved in Operation Snowwhite ("Operation Cat"), he cashes big from the scientology vitamin ideology (G+G), and he had an involvement in Russia for scientology. There's a TV interview with him about this. -- Tilman 06:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I am taking this page off of my watchlist. Will someone please notify me on my talk page - if it goes up for AFD, and/or other major changes? Thanks. Smee 05:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
Anyone who says Gaiman is not a prominent figure in the cult either knows very little about Scientology (in which case why are they here?) or more likely, is part of the David Gaiman PR machine. (TTJ)
I've learned of a 2005 Brighton Argus interview with David Gaiman (of Scientology fame) in which he apparently speaks of Neil Gaiman (of authorship fame) and clearly states a father-son relationship. I'll see if I can track it down - I think the British Library will have a copy. -- ChrisO 10:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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This is so well-documented (that David Gaiman is Neil Gaiman's father and that they were both Scientologists and David still is) it's almost unbelievable this question has come up on the talk page. It's documented by any number of works by former Scientologists, including Bare-faced Messiah by Russel Miller, A Piece of Blue Sky by John Atack, Lonesome Squirrel by Steve Fishman and in internal Scientology publications concerning alleged religious descrimination when Neil Gaiman was refused entry at Fonthill School, East Grinstead, Sussex (
http://cosmedia.freewinds.cx/media/articles/tim130868.html). According to conflicting testimony in The Fable: Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology and Suicide by Anonymous, Neil Gaiman headed a Scientology "org" (church) in Birmingham and was a Class VIII auditor. Both Gaimans were apparently declared SP (suppressed persons, the worst state available to humans in Scientology and somewhat akin to excommunication), although the elder was reinstated. I suspect the objection here to listing Neil as David's son stems from the Scientology policy of disconnection: members in good standing in the church are supposed to "disconnect" from family members if said family members are "SP." To put it another way, David Gaiman is supposed to disown his son if his son is an SP. See the talk page for Neil Gaiman for more sources documenting their relationship.
Hypatea (
talk)
17:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I listed the death because Neil Gaiman put it on his blog. That's not a newspaper, but Neil Gaiman is sufficiently famous and his blog well-known enough that it's a good enough source to be trusted. Though newspaper reports would be good too, if any - David Gerard ( talk) 21:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Do you not have to substantiate the date of birth, then, of a person's entry in WP? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnalexwood ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Cirt ( talk) 14:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
It occurs to me that we may have a reference loop on the date of birth - I might contact the East Grinstead Courier and Observer and check their source on the 1933 date ... - David Gerard ( talk) 19:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
The Argus has given his age and I have added that ref Johnalexwood ( talk) 09:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed 'claim' and 'odd' from: "One of Gaiman's odder claims to fame was that he came joint last in the inaugural London Marathon, in 1981." because it wasn't a claim - it was reported as fact by the BBC and neither was it odd. Johnalexwood ( talk) 09:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:David Gaiman/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
*12 citations, could use image and expansion. Smee 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC). |
Last edited at 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Does he really warrant his own page ? -- Beardo 22:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I remember having seen David Gaiman on a document about Operation Cat. It is briefly mentioned here [1]. It was mentioned on a german show about the activities of David Gaiman in Russia a few years ago, to show his dark past :) -- Tilman 21:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
There is a request at the BLP noticeboard, stating that Neil Gaiman has no relation to the subject of this article. As there is no source provided to assert that relationship, I have removed it as per WP:BLP. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 20:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
As it is accepted oon the above discussion that there is no evidence that the Neil Gaiman in the supposed article is fantasy author neil gaiman, the line referenceing his son as being a famous fantasy author must be removed.
Private person. Minor businessman. Ex-CoS exec. Shows up in some courts docs. Not charged? How is he notable? Please prove notability as other than his name appearing in a little bit of press appearing as a PR person. The rest of the article is manufactured "notability" out of the details of a private person's life. -- Justanother 03:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
He was also involved in Operation Snowwhite ("Operation Cat"), he cashes big from the scientology vitamin ideology (G+G), and he had an involvement in Russia for scientology. There's a TV interview with him about this. -- Tilman 06:47, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
I am taking this page off of my watchlist. Will someone please notify me on my talk page - if it goes up for AFD, and/or other major changes? Thanks. Smee 05:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC).
Anyone who says Gaiman is not a prominent figure in the cult either knows very little about Scientology (in which case why are they here?) or more likely, is part of the David Gaiman PR machine. (TTJ)
I've learned of a 2005 Brighton Argus interview with David Gaiman (of Scientology fame) in which he apparently speaks of Neil Gaiman (of authorship fame) and clearly states a father-son relationship. I'll see if I can track it down - I think the British Library will have a copy. -- ChrisO 10:05, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
unindent)
This is so well-documented (that David Gaiman is Neil Gaiman's father and that they were both Scientologists and David still is) it's almost unbelievable this question has come up on the talk page. It's documented by any number of works by former Scientologists, including Bare-faced Messiah by Russel Miller, A Piece of Blue Sky by John Atack, Lonesome Squirrel by Steve Fishman and in internal Scientology publications concerning alleged religious descrimination when Neil Gaiman was refused entry at Fonthill School, East Grinstead, Sussex (
http://cosmedia.freewinds.cx/media/articles/tim130868.html). According to conflicting testimony in The Fable: Hollywood, Satanism, Scientology and Suicide by Anonymous, Neil Gaiman headed a Scientology "org" (church) in Birmingham and was a Class VIII auditor. Both Gaimans were apparently declared SP (suppressed persons, the worst state available to humans in Scientology and somewhat akin to excommunication), although the elder was reinstated. I suspect the objection here to listing Neil as David's son stems from the Scientology policy of disconnection: members in good standing in the church are supposed to "disconnect" from family members if said family members are "SP." To put it another way, David Gaiman is supposed to disown his son if his son is an SP. See the talk page for Neil Gaiman for more sources documenting their relationship.
Hypatea (
talk)
17:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I listed the death because Neil Gaiman put it on his blog. That's not a newspaper, but Neil Gaiman is sufficiently famous and his blog well-known enough that it's a good enough source to be trusted. Though newspaper reports would be good too, if any - David Gerard ( talk) 21:52, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Do you not have to substantiate the date of birth, then, of a person's entry in WP? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnalexwood ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Cirt ( talk) 14:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
It occurs to me that we may have a reference loop on the date of birth - I might contact the East Grinstead Courier and Observer and check their source on the 1933 date ... - David Gerard ( talk) 19:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
The Argus has given his age and I have added that ref Johnalexwood ( talk) 09:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I removed 'claim' and 'odd' from: "One of Gaiman's odder claims to fame was that he came joint last in the inaugural London Marathon, in 1981." because it wasn't a claim - it was reported as fact by the BBC and neither was it odd. Johnalexwood ( talk) 09:53, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:David Gaiman/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
*12 citations, could use image and expansion. Smee 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC). |
Last edited at 08:40, 4 May 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:38, 1 May 2016 (UTC)