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Not sure if lack of notability is warrant for deletion if the article is properly referenced. In any case, it would be good if Paulsboutique could give a more detailed explanation for the deletion tag. melonbarmonster ( talk) 14:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I will be cleaning up and expanding this article over the next week or so. Please excuse the dust. Commandax ( talk) 08:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
This article is an exercise in how not to sound encyclopedic, written by an WP:SPA who may not be aware of our guidelines. For instance, they claim that "Fecal Face" is a reliable source, somehow, and they don't seem to realize that the Fecal interview doesn't prove that "He achieved art world success with his "dirty style" figure paintings—raw, frenetic works which combine themes of desire, degradation, and exaltation". (Never mind that "art world success" is a bit challenged.) If you actually read that "interview"--it's not much of an interview, more like an open mike session prompted by gimme questions--you will see that Choe himself is the only one who uses the "dirty style" phrase, and that as such this particular source, even if it were reliable, could never bear out the claim about "art world success".
Editor also removed the peacock tag: I'm about to put that back, pointing to such puffy peacocky phrasing as "Choe, an inveterate gambler...", "Choe departed on the first of many adventures, and spent the next two years freight-hopping, hitchhiking, hustling and stealing his way around the United States", "Choe continued his obsessive traveling, from making an expedition to the jungles of the Congo to painting graffiti and murals around the globe alongside the world's greatest urban artists for the street culture brand Upper Playground", "focusing on his career and channeling his self-destructive impulses into less risky pursuits such as gambling and drumming". Actually, comparing the style of the article's prose and the Fecal interview, one might be tempted to, well, let's not, for now. Drmies ( talk) 23:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Choe has divulged that he regularly invents his personal history thus making every interview, claim, podcast, quote... more unreliable than usually expected. My recommendation is that the contributors to this page need to proceed with caution. Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
This statement "In the graffiti world, he is identified with the bucktoothed whale" doesn't appear to be supported by the source? Does anyone know where it came from? CorporateM ( Talk) 20:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
It is a clear violation of WP:BLPSOURCES, and WP:GRAPEVINE. The terms 'sexual assault' can imply and implicated the Wikimedia foundation the target of a lawsuit, to which it is not entitled. The only two sources that were presented were a tabloid journalism article (which cannot be used) and a primary source claiming it as not a big deal. Regardless, WP:LIBEL must be read and understood by editors who wish to add this. I've started this talk page discussion as a way to discuss this changes, but as it sits, it is a clear violation of Biography of living person's policy. Tutelary ( talk) 18:57, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm unclear as to how someone confessing to rape and they, themselves, saying it's "not a big deal" means it can't be included. Choe uses the words "rapist" to describe himself on the podcast. Also, the term "tabloid" seems to be arbitrarily applied to xojane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.4.247.41 ( talk) 11:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Choe has apologized for saying these things after repeat protest and multiple new sources covering the issue spanning over several years. I've added a sourced and objective summary of this controversy. Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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No replacement, but I thought we could mention the footage of Choe in Banksy’s film Exit Through The Gift Shop under “Other Media.” Footage of Choe is featured in a brief montage of graffiti artists early in the movie. The footage may be brief, but it’s a notable appearance of his in an award-winning documentary.
Edit can be found below, to be included under the Vice mention in Other Media:
Exit Through The Gift Shop, documentary film (appearance during graffiti montage) (2010) Inkbusy9800 ( talk) 16:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Disclosure and references requested
Regards, Spintendo 17:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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Not sure if lack of notability is warrant for deletion if the article is properly referenced. In any case, it would be good if Paulsboutique could give a more detailed explanation for the deletion tag. melonbarmonster ( talk) 14:48, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
I will be cleaning up and expanding this article over the next week or so. Please excuse the dust. Commandax ( talk) 08:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
This article is an exercise in how not to sound encyclopedic, written by an WP:SPA who may not be aware of our guidelines. For instance, they claim that "Fecal Face" is a reliable source, somehow, and they don't seem to realize that the Fecal interview doesn't prove that "He achieved art world success with his "dirty style" figure paintings—raw, frenetic works which combine themes of desire, degradation, and exaltation". (Never mind that "art world success" is a bit challenged.) If you actually read that "interview"--it's not much of an interview, more like an open mike session prompted by gimme questions--you will see that Choe himself is the only one who uses the "dirty style" phrase, and that as such this particular source, even if it were reliable, could never bear out the claim about "art world success".
Editor also removed the peacock tag: I'm about to put that back, pointing to such puffy peacocky phrasing as "Choe, an inveterate gambler...", "Choe departed on the first of many adventures, and spent the next two years freight-hopping, hitchhiking, hustling and stealing his way around the United States", "Choe continued his obsessive traveling, from making an expedition to the jungles of the Congo to painting graffiti and murals around the globe alongside the world's greatest urban artists for the street culture brand Upper Playground", "focusing on his career and channeling his self-destructive impulses into less risky pursuits such as gambling and drumming". Actually, comparing the style of the article's prose and the Fecal interview, one might be tempted to, well, let's not, for now. Drmies ( talk) 23:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
Choe has divulged that he regularly invents his personal history thus making every interview, claim, podcast, quote... more unreliable than usually expected. My recommendation is that the contributors to this page need to proceed with caution. Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
This statement "In the graffiti world, he is identified with the bucktoothed whale" doesn't appear to be supported by the source? Does anyone know where it came from? CorporateM ( Talk) 20:53, 6 September 2013 (UTC)
It is a clear violation of WP:BLPSOURCES, and WP:GRAPEVINE. The terms 'sexual assault' can imply and implicated the Wikimedia foundation the target of a lawsuit, to which it is not entitled. The only two sources that were presented were a tabloid journalism article (which cannot be used) and a primary source claiming it as not a big deal. Regardless, WP:LIBEL must be read and understood by editors who wish to add this. I've started this talk page discussion as a way to discuss this changes, but as it sits, it is a clear violation of Biography of living person's policy. Tutelary ( talk) 18:57, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm unclear as to how someone confessing to rape and they, themselves, saying it's "not a big deal" means it can't be included. Choe uses the words "rapist" to describe himself on the podcast. Also, the term "tabloid" seems to be arbitrarily applied to xojane. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.4.247.41 ( talk) 11:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Choe has apologized for saying these things after repeat protest and multiple new sources covering the issue spanning over several years. I've added a sourced and objective summary of this controversy. Hesperian Nguyen ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
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No replacement, but I thought we could mention the footage of Choe in Banksy’s film Exit Through The Gift Shop under “Other Media.” Footage of Choe is featured in a brief montage of graffiti artists early in the movie. The footage may be brief, but it’s a notable appearance of his in an award-winning documentary.
Edit can be found below, to be included under the Vice mention in Other Media:
Exit Through The Gift Shop, documentary film (appearance during graffiti montage) (2010) Inkbusy9800 ( talk) 16:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
Disclosure and references requested
Regards, Spintendo 17:55, 12 January 2020 (UTC)