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Do we have any way of confirming that his dismissal was due to his creationist views? I know he made the claim in some of his books, but I haven't seen it mentioned by a non-creationist source. JoshuaZ 18:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
What did he study in Oxford? Wouldn't his academic background be a better characterization in the article title? I propose David Watson (field of study) instead of David Watson (creationist).
some more details about his birthday and day he died? Northfox 02:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Kevinalewis has just re-inserted claims on the basis of a broken link (can be found at wayback here) to a wild rant (in a now-defunct and obscure website for "articles and essays") claiming fraud by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The piece only mentions Watson in passing: "David C.C. Watson suggested to the president of the Oxford Union Debating Society that the Huxley Memorial Debate should be on creation vs. evolution. ... The society, wanting to completely wash its hands of the debate, even sold the copyright of the tapes of the meeting to David Watson who circulated a number of copies." as part of "a quote from Malcolm Bowden's book 'True Science Agrees with the Bible', pp 257-258". Malcolm Bowden is a retired engineer, geocentrist and member of the Creation Science Movement (a British creationist group formerly known as the Evolution Protest Movement). This is all ludicrously unreliable. Hrafn Talk Stalk 08:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
biblicalstudies.org.uk is self-published (by Robert I. Bradshaw) and so cannot be used as a source on a third party. I have removed reference to it in the article. I would also point out that we have no sources indicating that he was a prominent member of the Evolution Protest Movement (the main UK creationist group at the time, of which he was a member), or that he was otherwise notable for anything other than his 1976 dismissal. Hrafn Talk Stalk 04:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
"In any global sense"... So you accept that this author might have been notable in a particular country at a particular time? - Fayenatic (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Now what's WP:OR about the statement distinguishing him from David Watson (evangelist)? that DCKW was better known? that different initials are a way to distinguish people who otherwise have the same name?
Constructive tagging is fine by me. However, this [2] smacks of tag-bombing to strengthen the case for first-time deletion, rather than permitting a stub to remain pending expansion from reliable paper sources when time permits. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
...four years after his death, the ICR still don't appear to have noticed the fact. His role as "Director of the Institute for Creation Research's Midwest Center in Illinois" was also apparently so crucial that they still haven't gotten around to finding a replacement for him. Did Watson ever live in the US (if he did, the article doesn't mention the fact), or was this appointment purely nominal? Hrafn Talk Stalk 19:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I note from the index on-line at Amazon UK shows that Ronald L. Numbers mentions David C C Watson on three separate pages in The Creationists. This is not available in my local library catalogue, so would an editor with access to this authoritative work please contribute relevant material here? User:Hrafn, perhaps? - Fayenatic (talk) 17:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
(Expanded Edition:) p300 is the firing and discipline problems mentioned in the article. p362, he is quoted as answering the question "Can any good come out of America" as "Yes". p371 is for the quote: "Tens of thousands of Christians have been convinced by Morris & Whitcombe's book because they made sense of the Bible." The first is mention is the only substantial one (1/4-1/3 of a page + footnoted material), and the only one that is about him, so is the only one currently in the article. For the others, Numbers is just using quotes from him to fill in the details on other issues. Hrafn Talk Stalk 18:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
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Do we have any way of confirming that his dismissal was due to his creationist views? I know he made the claim in some of his books, but I haven't seen it mentioned by a non-creationist source. JoshuaZ 18:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
What did he study in Oxford? Wouldn't his academic background be a better characterization in the article title? I propose David Watson (field of study) instead of David Watson (creationist).
some more details about his birthday and day he died? Northfox 02:52, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Kevinalewis has just re-inserted claims on the basis of a broken link (can be found at wayback here) to a wild rant (in a now-defunct and obscure website for "articles and essays") claiming fraud by the American Association for the Advancement of Science. The piece only mentions Watson in passing: "David C.C. Watson suggested to the president of the Oxford Union Debating Society that the Huxley Memorial Debate should be on creation vs. evolution. ... The society, wanting to completely wash its hands of the debate, even sold the copyright of the tapes of the meeting to David Watson who circulated a number of copies." as part of "a quote from Malcolm Bowden's book 'True Science Agrees with the Bible', pp 257-258". Malcolm Bowden is a retired engineer, geocentrist and member of the Creation Science Movement (a British creationist group formerly known as the Evolution Protest Movement). This is all ludicrously unreliable. Hrafn Talk Stalk 08:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
biblicalstudies.org.uk is self-published (by Robert I. Bradshaw) and so cannot be used as a source on a third party. I have removed reference to it in the article. I would also point out that we have no sources indicating that he was a prominent member of the Evolution Protest Movement (the main UK creationist group at the time, of which he was a member), or that he was otherwise notable for anything other than his 1976 dismissal. Hrafn Talk Stalk 04:08, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
"In any global sense"... So you accept that this author might have been notable in a particular country at a particular time? - Fayenatic (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Now what's WP:OR about the statement distinguishing him from David Watson (evangelist)? that DCKW was better known? that different initials are a way to distinguish people who otherwise have the same name?
Constructive tagging is fine by me. However, this [2] smacks of tag-bombing to strengthen the case for first-time deletion, rather than permitting a stub to remain pending expansion from reliable paper sources when time permits. - Fayenatic (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
...four years after his death, the ICR still don't appear to have noticed the fact. His role as "Director of the Institute for Creation Research's Midwest Center in Illinois" was also apparently so crucial that they still haven't gotten around to finding a replacement for him. Did Watson ever live in the US (if he did, the article doesn't mention the fact), or was this appointment purely nominal? Hrafn Talk Stalk 19:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I note from the index on-line at Amazon UK shows that Ronald L. Numbers mentions David C C Watson on three separate pages in The Creationists. This is not available in my local library catalogue, so would an editor with access to this authoritative work please contribute relevant material here? User:Hrafn, perhaps? - Fayenatic (talk) 17:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
(Expanded Edition:) p300 is the firing and discipline problems mentioned in the article. p362, he is quoted as answering the question "Can any good come out of America" as "Yes". p371 is for the quote: "Tens of thousands of Christians have been convinced by Morris & Whitcombe's book because they made sense of the Bible." The first is mention is the only substantial one (1/4-1/3 of a page + footnoted material), and the only one that is about him, so is the only one currently in the article. For the others, Numbers is just using quotes from him to fill in the details on other issues. Hrafn Talk Stalk 18:34, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
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