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Please explain the meaning. mikka (t) 21:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I've added three current pics to the Commons; someone who is more adept at layout can use any of the three if any seem appropriate. They are: 1, 2, 3. -- Pēteris Cedriņš 11:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
This should be edited, to my mind -- that Latvian is the official language in schools is completely untrue (there are only two and a half Latvian-language secondary schools, for example, and the education reform which calls for increased teaching in Latvian in minority schools has actually created very little "tension" here, comparatively, that term being a pretty meaningless generalization). Also, a strong majority of Daugavpils Russians holds citizenship by descent. I don't doubt that not a few Russophones aren't fond of the language laws or the citizenship laws, but this is overly vague as written. -- Pēteris Cedriņš 11:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
But the article does not say why. Any good reason? Philaweb T 22:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Griva is now the district of Daugavpils, but was separate village earlier. Denis Tarasov ( talk) 08:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Please elaborate, I don't think that's right. 80.230.81.52 ( talk) 12:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The remark that most ethnic Russians came to Daugavpils during the occupation and are non-citizens is factually incorrect; at registration in 1992, there were 39 988 ethnic Russians with Latvian citizenship and 27 058 without it; most ethnic Russians in Daugavpils hold citizenship by descent, and not a few others have since naturalized.
Russian empire censuses are not reliable, they only counted by language not by nationality.
Daugavpils demographic situation in 1935
Latvians -35% Jews - 25% Poles - 18% Russians - 18% Belorussians - 3% Indipuk ( talk) 12:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
This line was far too vague and misleading: Though Latvian has been the official language in schools and government agencies since 1991, this has created tension with the Russian-speaking majority in Daugavpils, which has demanded that Russian be restored as an official language alongside Latvian. Though the state language is Latvian, most schools in Daugavpils have Russian as the language of instruction, with varying paths to fluency in Latvian (there is also a Polish school).
I'm not sure what "tension" means; there were some protests regarding the education reform requiring that 60% of instruction be in Latvian from the 10th grade, but the protests were organized by specific organizations like Shtab, not an amorphous majority. Since the education reform was implemented, opposition to it hasn't been apparent. -- Pēteris Cedriņš ( talk) 05:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The Germans regauged the Russian gauge 1524 mm Vilna - Dvinsk (Dünaburg) main line to standard West European gauge 1435 mm in 1917. In addition they built during World War One standard gauge railway from Lithuanian Radviliskis to Griva (188 km). The Polish troops helped Latvians to drive out the Bolsheviks from Daugavpils in 1920. Up to 23.08.1939 there was a daily through express train service running between Berlin Stadtbahn and Daugavpils via Königsberg, Insterburg, Tilsit, Jonatiskis, Radviliskis, Panevesys, Obeliai (passport and custom control, Lithuania), Eglaine (passport and custom control, Latvia). The direct express train departed from Berlin Friedrichstrasse at 23.42 from Königsberg at 08.15, from Insterburg at 09.21, from Tilsit at 10.29, from Radviliskis at 13.43 from Panevesys at 14.39 arriving to Obeliai at 16.20. The Central European Time (GMT + 1) was in use to Obeliai. The train departured from Obeliai at 16.30 and arrived to Eglaine at 18.00 East European Time (GMT + 2). Eglaine stop was only 10 minutes and the express train stopped at Griva at 18.48 funally arriving to Daugavpils at 19.00. At Daugavpils the eastbound passengers changed to Riga - Vitebsk - Smolensk - Moscow broad gauge train which departured from Daugavpils at 19.27 arriving to Moscow next day at 14.00 Moscow Time (GMT + 3). On the westbound journey the Moscow - Smolensk - Vitebsk - Daugavpils - Riga train departured from Moscow at 20.30 arriving to Daugavpils next day at 13.05. The standard gauge express train to Berlin departured from Daugavpils at 13.35, from Griva at 13.56, from Eglaine at 14.33, from Obeliai at 14.17, from Panevesys at 16.04, from Radviliskis at 17.12, arriving to Tilsit at 20.26, arriving to Insterburg at 21.17, arriving to Königsberg at 22.23, arriving to Berlin Friedrichstrasse at 07.10. In addition three Polish standard gauge trains arrived to Daugavpils from Warszawa and Wilno via Turmontas (Polish passport and custom control), Zemgale (Latvian passport and custom control), with stop at Griva. These trains arrived daily to Daugavpils at 03.20, (connection to Riga, departure at 03.37), 13.11 (connection to Riga, departure at 13.35), and 19.41 (connection to Riga and Tallinn, departure at 19.52). The Warszawa bound trains departured daily from Daugavpils at 05.00 (connection from Riga at 00.20), 13.15 (connection from Riga and Tallinn at 07.13, and 19.33 (connection from Riga at 15.50). It can be said Daugavpils was part of internal European railway network up to 22.08.1939. Even in Imperial Russia´s period there were three daily express trains running between St.Petersburg and Verzhbolovo via Dvinsk and Vilna in both directions. All these express trains had connection to German express trains at Verzhbolovo / Eydkuhnen forming fast train connections to Berlin and Paris. Nothing is mentioned of this important role in Daugavpils history. Peharps it was forgotten to mention in Soviet days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.117.142 ( talk) 16:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Since the majority of the city are Russians, the vast majority of its residents are Russophones and the majority of its citizens voted yes in the 2012 referendum, surely the Russian name should also be in the intro (despite not being official)? It seems like it's only been excluded due to some sort of anti-Russian sentiment.-- Cymru123 ( talk) 21:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Just a remind. Consensus should incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Some important naming conventions which the article's lead violates ( WP:LEAD#General guidelines and WP:LEAD#Separate section usage): Once a Names or Etymology section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead. (Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".' If the case is exceptional, common sense may be applied to ignore all rules. Please discuss to decide whether this is an exceptional case or not. 2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 ( talk) 04:26, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Indeed even the title is based on the Russian name. I mean, the Latgalian name is not any kind of official name or exception and thus may be removed. 2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 ( talk) 19:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
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Please explain the meaning. mikka (t) 21:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
I've added three current pics to the Commons; someone who is more adept at layout can use any of the three if any seem appropriate. They are: 1, 2, 3. -- Pēteris Cedriņš 11:57, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
This should be edited, to my mind -- that Latvian is the official language in schools is completely untrue (there are only two and a half Latvian-language secondary schools, for example, and the education reform which calls for increased teaching in Latvian in minority schools has actually created very little "tension" here, comparatively, that term being a pretty meaningless generalization). Also, a strong majority of Daugavpils Russians holds citizenship by descent. I don't doubt that not a few Russophones aren't fond of the language laws or the citizenship laws, but this is overly vague as written. -- Pēteris Cedriņš 11:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
But the article does not say why. Any good reason? Philaweb T 22:43, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Griva is now the district of Daugavpils, but was separate village earlier. Denis Tarasov ( talk) 08:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Please elaborate, I don't think that's right. 80.230.81.52 ( talk) 12:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The remark that most ethnic Russians came to Daugavpils during the occupation and are non-citizens is factually incorrect; at registration in 1992, there were 39 988 ethnic Russians with Latvian citizenship and 27 058 without it; most ethnic Russians in Daugavpils hold citizenship by descent, and not a few others have since naturalized.
Russian empire censuses are not reliable, they only counted by language not by nationality.
Daugavpils demographic situation in 1935
Latvians -35% Jews - 25% Poles - 18% Russians - 18% Belorussians - 3% Indipuk ( talk) 12:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
This line was far too vague and misleading: Though Latvian has been the official language in schools and government agencies since 1991, this has created tension with the Russian-speaking majority in Daugavpils, which has demanded that Russian be restored as an official language alongside Latvian. Though the state language is Latvian, most schools in Daugavpils have Russian as the language of instruction, with varying paths to fluency in Latvian (there is also a Polish school).
I'm not sure what "tension" means; there were some protests regarding the education reform requiring that 60% of instruction be in Latvian from the 10th grade, but the protests were organized by specific organizations like Shtab, not an amorphous majority. Since the education reform was implemented, opposition to it hasn't been apparent. -- Pēteris Cedriņš ( talk) 05:06, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The Germans regauged the Russian gauge 1524 mm Vilna - Dvinsk (Dünaburg) main line to standard West European gauge 1435 mm in 1917. In addition they built during World War One standard gauge railway from Lithuanian Radviliskis to Griva (188 km). The Polish troops helped Latvians to drive out the Bolsheviks from Daugavpils in 1920. Up to 23.08.1939 there was a daily through express train service running between Berlin Stadtbahn and Daugavpils via Königsberg, Insterburg, Tilsit, Jonatiskis, Radviliskis, Panevesys, Obeliai (passport and custom control, Lithuania), Eglaine (passport and custom control, Latvia). The direct express train departed from Berlin Friedrichstrasse at 23.42 from Königsberg at 08.15, from Insterburg at 09.21, from Tilsit at 10.29, from Radviliskis at 13.43 from Panevesys at 14.39 arriving to Obeliai at 16.20. The Central European Time (GMT + 1) was in use to Obeliai. The train departured from Obeliai at 16.30 and arrived to Eglaine at 18.00 East European Time (GMT + 2). Eglaine stop was only 10 minutes and the express train stopped at Griva at 18.48 funally arriving to Daugavpils at 19.00. At Daugavpils the eastbound passengers changed to Riga - Vitebsk - Smolensk - Moscow broad gauge train which departured from Daugavpils at 19.27 arriving to Moscow next day at 14.00 Moscow Time (GMT + 3). On the westbound journey the Moscow - Smolensk - Vitebsk - Daugavpils - Riga train departured from Moscow at 20.30 arriving to Daugavpils next day at 13.05. The standard gauge express train to Berlin departured from Daugavpils at 13.35, from Griva at 13.56, from Eglaine at 14.33, from Obeliai at 14.17, from Panevesys at 16.04, from Radviliskis at 17.12, arriving to Tilsit at 20.26, arriving to Insterburg at 21.17, arriving to Königsberg at 22.23, arriving to Berlin Friedrichstrasse at 07.10. In addition three Polish standard gauge trains arrived to Daugavpils from Warszawa and Wilno via Turmontas (Polish passport and custom control), Zemgale (Latvian passport and custom control), with stop at Griva. These trains arrived daily to Daugavpils at 03.20, (connection to Riga, departure at 03.37), 13.11 (connection to Riga, departure at 13.35), and 19.41 (connection to Riga and Tallinn, departure at 19.52). The Warszawa bound trains departured daily from Daugavpils at 05.00 (connection from Riga at 00.20), 13.15 (connection from Riga and Tallinn at 07.13, and 19.33 (connection from Riga at 15.50). It can be said Daugavpils was part of internal European railway network up to 22.08.1939. Even in Imperial Russia´s period there were three daily express trains running between St.Petersburg and Verzhbolovo via Dvinsk and Vilna in both directions. All these express trains had connection to German express trains at Verzhbolovo / Eydkuhnen forming fast train connections to Berlin and Paris. Nothing is mentioned of this important role in Daugavpils history. Peharps it was forgotten to mention in Soviet days. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.113.117.142 ( talk) 16:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Since the majority of the city are Russians, the vast majority of its residents are Russophones and the majority of its citizens voted yes in the 2012 referendum, surely the Russian name should also be in the intro (despite not being official)? It seems like it's only been excluded due to some sort of anti-Russian sentiment.-- Cymru123 ( talk) 21:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
Just a remind. Consensus should incorporate all editors' legitimate concerns, while respecting Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Some important naming conventions which the article's lead violates ( WP:LEAD#General guidelines and WP:LEAD#Separate section usage): Once a Names or Etymology section or paragraph is created, the alternative English or foreign names should not be moved back to the first line. As an exception, a local official name different from a widely accepted English name should be retained in the lead. (Foreign language: Local name; known also by several alternative names)".' If the case is exceptional, common sense may be applied to ignore all rules. Please discuss to decide whether this is an exceptional case or not. 2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 ( talk) 04:26, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
Indeed even the title is based on the Russian name. I mean, the Latgalian name is not any kind of official name or exception and thus may be removed. 2A02:2430:3:2500:0:0:B807:3DA0 ( talk) 19:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
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