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I think it looks slightly better, but it doesn't show his face that well, because I had to reduce size or it would mess up the article. Keep or stay? Shadow Blade 22:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Extracting the audio file or recording it and then playing it backwards reveals that he does indeed talk.
I'm thinking this should be merged into the Minor characters in Star Wars page. Thoughts? -- Cbarbry 04:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In the revisions of this article here [1] one of the editors claims "He's obviously not dead yet". What does s/he mean? --Anonymous
When Visas Marr unmasked Darth Nihilus on the Ravager, one of her responses was that she saw only a man, nothing more. While this in itself means nothing, it could mean that the greatest fear of Darth Nihilus was powerlessness. While this fear is shared among many Sith (and some Jedi), I believe in the case of Darth Nihilus it was more extreme. I guess that he inwardly wanted to prove to others that he was not "merely" a man. This could also be another reason why he divested himself of his own humanity. It could also be a reminder to all of us that for all our supposed capabilities, we are only humans who could only do so much. --Chameleon.
Another subject I would like to bring up is Darth Nihilus' method of communication. It seems to me that Nihilus is using telepathy or telepathic impressions to make his intentions known. He could still understand Basic when spoken to, but his communication has evolved to the point that he does not need to speak. --Chameleon
The game is all about showing the weaknesses of both extremes in the Force, light and dark. The quintessential Sith features betrayal, strengths gained through pain and hunger for power. I do not believe our Sith Lord here to be empty or meaningless to the story, we are used to tough and powerful villains, for once we see something different, an utter slave, crawling for his need to feed. I found that interesting, especially the way he is defeated, he had to be exposed to the Republic, the Mandalorians, and a broken bond to be weak enough, also it wasn't a duel. As for the name, I believe it to be linked to the nature of Force Bonds and his ability to consume those connections, drawing others' energies to him like a dead star, a hole in the Force, leaving nothing. -- Jinger 03:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
He is similar to Darth Vader and General Grievous because he wears a fearsome mask along with clothing/armor that covers his entire body. -- Ed Telerionus 19:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ok I change that to Nihilus is the only Lord with no known reason to wear a mask (either that or forget the whole thing). -- Psi edit
*Darth* Revan wore a Mask as well. It was conjectured at one point in KotOR that he did so to hide the effects the dark side might have had on his appearance. A cutscene late in the game reveals that his appearance was indeed badly messed up by the dark side of the force. Certian game elements also indicate that the deformity can be reversed somehow or another, but will re-appear if he continues to delve deeply into the dark side. It's a reason, but a minor one...as it's purely cosmetic. -Graptor
Darth Nihilus WAS human, he just trapped his consciousness in a suit, so shouldn't it say he was human instead of possibly human? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.244.104 ( talk) 00:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
That has no backing, the only thing that supports you is the exile's comment that he was still "human" enough to remember being betrayed, and that isn't good enough, remember that in episode IV Han Solo refers to Jabba as a human being, therefore we have no sources about Nihilus's species. BassxForte 01:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article not cruft? This article as far as I can see does not explain this character's impact (if any) outside of the game. --- J.S ( T/ C/ WRE) 19:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
In his conversation with Krayt, Nihilus never states that krayt was a "pretender" to the sith legacy, Krayt couldn't even UNDERSTAND what Nihilus was saying anyway, the one who declares Krayt to be a "pretender" was Darth Andeddu, therefore it should be changed. Although I will say, Nihilus DID appear to agree with what Andeddu was saying, he just wasn't the one who outright say it. BassxForte 01:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I prodded this article for deletion because it is solely a collection of plot summary. It makes no assertion of the character's real-world notability. While the content here may be appropriate for Wookieepedia's in-universe-friendly perspective, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards for writing about fiction. Aside from a minor appearance in Legacy, Nihilus appears in KOTOR 2; lacking a compelling explanation for how this character matters from an out-of-universe perspective -- and a Howard Stern goof doesn't cut it -- the article should be redirected to KOTOR 2. -- EEMeltonIV 22:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
The concept of "strongest sith" was never used in-universe, it's doubtless that that's what many sith wanted but it's one of those out-of-universe extra bits, an action figure is another notable out-of universe piece of info, to be exact, Nihilus has had two action figures, he's also among these. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/championsgallery BassxForte 23:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
...am I gonna to get a response or not? Your last edit was just correcting one of your spelling errors. BassxForte 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
If we need news coverage then we might as well delete this, this, and this just to name a few. BassxForte 00:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
jeez, let people like you run around freely and no one would like Wikipedia's quality. BassxForte 00:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
oh, just love the message you left on my talk page, perhaps you should look at this and this. BassxForte 00:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The article has been prodded and the prod tag has been removed. That's the proper procedure for it, to be perfectly fair... EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Okaaaaaay, what is a prod anyway? BassxForte 00:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well from what I understand, the prod didn't work, because I objected to it. BassxForte 00:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it's pretty foolish to be caught up in the idea of 'real world notability', especially if that is the only real reason being brought up for deleting these articles. I would stick with using common sense and being able to tell that these are major characters from notable video games. If there were articles on such and such obscure NPC, then it would be much more justifiable to delete those articles, but articles such as this one should not be deleted just because of one line in the 'rulebook'. It would basically be impossible to implement the current standard of deletion that EEMelton proposes across a broad spectrum, and thus it is pointless to target the articles on a few pieces of fiction. Please come up with more standards for why these articles should be deleted before you continue your crusade, just so the rest of us can agree with you. 12.5.52.170 05:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
What deserves a page, a major antagonist in a video game, or that inn npc that only has two lines of diolouge? BassxForte 17:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
That wasn't reffering specifically to Darth Nihilus, for a better example of what I meant, what deserves a page more? Bowser or a npc that was only two lines of diolouge in the entire game? BassxForte 21:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
As is mentioned on his page, Bowser is one of the most iconic vidoe game villians, that's real world notability, but we need not deal with that, we're talking about Darth Nihilus, not Bowser. BassxForte 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I made my thing there, in a little "comments" section, and if you can't accept Nihilushaving his own article my suggustion is the best option. BassxForte 03:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Posted on my talk page by User:BassxForte:
This is not a "citation"; this is an assertion without a source that backs it up, in other words, original research. Please WP:CITE a reliable source per Wikipedia policy that shows the character was named with this association in mind, and not instead after a programmer's pet lizard or an animator's college roommate. -- EEMeltonIV 16:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
All Sith who have "darth" in their title have a names with a meaning, Traya (as in Darth Traya) comes from betrayal. Darth Sion, you'll find Sion is a suffic that means "break", fitting for his apperance. Other sith names, like tyranus, plauguis, and sidious are much clearer. Darth Malak, you'll find "Malak" is an arabic word for "angel", possibly refering to his status as a fallen angel of sorts, (he was once a valiant and rightous jedi knight). BassxForte 17:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
How about the fact that nearly every "darth" sith's name had such a meaning? If you want to check out each darth separately, go here. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth#Darths_through_history BassxForte 17:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
It is a wiki, and when you want to know something Star Wars, it is always reliable. BassxForte 17:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't say, nor did Wookieepedia say, that all darth's name had a second meaning, llike Zannah. BassxForte 17:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
The fact that with only a few select exceptions all sith names have a meaning. BassxForte 18:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I've read them a long time ago, and what i'm saying doesn't violate them. BassxForte 18:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
"trivial"? That's why it was put in the trivia section. BassxForte 18:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Almost all sith names mean something, and your trying to say Nihilus's name's similarity with nihilism just happened by chance?! BassxForte 18:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
All the darth names have meanings, that's your reliable enough source. BassxForte 19:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, i'll need a little extra, but only a little. BassxForte 21:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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I think it looks slightly better, but it doesn't show his face that well, because I had to reduce size or it would mess up the article. Keep or stay? Shadow Blade 22:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Extracting the audio file or recording it and then playing it backwards reveals that he does indeed talk.
I'm thinking this should be merged into the Minor characters in Star Wars page. Thoughts? -- Cbarbry 04:39, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
In the revisions of this article here [1] one of the editors claims "He's obviously not dead yet". What does s/he mean? --Anonymous
When Visas Marr unmasked Darth Nihilus on the Ravager, one of her responses was that she saw only a man, nothing more. While this in itself means nothing, it could mean that the greatest fear of Darth Nihilus was powerlessness. While this fear is shared among many Sith (and some Jedi), I believe in the case of Darth Nihilus it was more extreme. I guess that he inwardly wanted to prove to others that he was not "merely" a man. This could also be another reason why he divested himself of his own humanity. It could also be a reminder to all of us that for all our supposed capabilities, we are only humans who could only do so much. --Chameleon.
Another subject I would like to bring up is Darth Nihilus' method of communication. It seems to me that Nihilus is using telepathy or telepathic impressions to make his intentions known. He could still understand Basic when spoken to, but his communication has evolved to the point that he does not need to speak. --Chameleon
The game is all about showing the weaknesses of both extremes in the Force, light and dark. The quintessential Sith features betrayal, strengths gained through pain and hunger for power. I do not believe our Sith Lord here to be empty or meaningless to the story, we are used to tough and powerful villains, for once we see something different, an utter slave, crawling for his need to feed. I found that interesting, especially the way he is defeated, he had to be exposed to the Republic, the Mandalorians, and a broken bond to be weak enough, also it wasn't a duel. As for the name, I believe it to be linked to the nature of Force Bonds and his ability to consume those connections, drawing others' energies to him like a dead star, a hole in the Force, leaving nothing. -- Jinger 03:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
He is similar to Darth Vader and General Grievous because he wears a fearsome mask along with clothing/armor that covers his entire body. -- Ed Telerionus 19:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Ok I change that to Nihilus is the only Lord with no known reason to wear a mask (either that or forget the whole thing). -- Psi edit
*Darth* Revan wore a Mask as well. It was conjectured at one point in KotOR that he did so to hide the effects the dark side might have had on his appearance. A cutscene late in the game reveals that his appearance was indeed badly messed up by the dark side of the force. Certian game elements also indicate that the deformity can be reversed somehow or another, but will re-appear if he continues to delve deeply into the dark side. It's a reason, but a minor one...as it's purely cosmetic. -Graptor
Darth Nihilus WAS human, he just trapped his consciousness in a suit, so shouldn't it say he was human instead of possibly human? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.112.244.104 ( talk) 00:59, 5 April 2007 (UTC).
That has no backing, the only thing that supports you is the exile's comment that he was still "human" enough to remember being betrayed, and that isn't good enough, remember that in episode IV Han Solo refers to Jabba as a human being, therefore we have no sources about Nihilus's species. BassxForte 01:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Why is this article not cruft? This article as far as I can see does not explain this character's impact (if any) outside of the game. --- J.S ( T/ C/ WRE) 19:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
In his conversation with Krayt, Nihilus never states that krayt was a "pretender" to the sith legacy, Krayt couldn't even UNDERSTAND what Nihilus was saying anyway, the one who declares Krayt to be a "pretender" was Darth Andeddu, therefore it should be changed. Although I will say, Nihilus DID appear to agree with what Andeddu was saying, he just wasn't the one who outright say it. BassxForte 01:11, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I prodded this article for deletion because it is solely a collection of plot summary. It makes no assertion of the character's real-world notability. While the content here may be appropriate for Wookieepedia's in-universe-friendly perspective, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards for writing about fiction. Aside from a minor appearance in Legacy, Nihilus appears in KOTOR 2; lacking a compelling explanation for how this character matters from an out-of-universe perspective -- and a Howard Stern goof doesn't cut it -- the article should be redirected to KOTOR 2. -- EEMeltonIV 22:58, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
The concept of "strongest sith" was never used in-universe, it's doubtless that that's what many sith wanted but it's one of those out-of-universe extra bits, an action figure is another notable out-of universe piece of info, to be exact, Nihilus has had two action figures, he's also among these. http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/championsgallery BassxForte 23:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
...am I gonna to get a response or not? Your last edit was just correcting one of your spelling errors. BassxForte 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
If we need news coverage then we might as well delete this, this, and this just to name a few. BassxForte 00:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
jeez, let people like you run around freely and no one would like Wikipedia's quality. BassxForte 00:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
oh, just love the message you left on my talk page, perhaps you should look at this and this. BassxForte 00:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The article has been prodded and the prod tag has been removed. That's the proper procedure for it, to be perfectly fair... EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:47, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Okaaaaaay, what is a prod anyway? BassxForte 00:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Well from what I understand, the prod didn't work, because I objected to it. BassxForte 00:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it's pretty foolish to be caught up in the idea of 'real world notability', especially if that is the only real reason being brought up for deleting these articles. I would stick with using common sense and being able to tell that these are major characters from notable video games. If there were articles on such and such obscure NPC, then it would be much more justifiable to delete those articles, but articles such as this one should not be deleted just because of one line in the 'rulebook'. It would basically be impossible to implement the current standard of deletion that EEMelton proposes across a broad spectrum, and thus it is pointless to target the articles on a few pieces of fiction. Please come up with more standards for why these articles should be deleted before you continue your crusade, just so the rest of us can agree with you. 12.5.52.170 05:39, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
What deserves a page, a major antagonist in a video game, or that inn npc that only has two lines of diolouge? BassxForte 17:14, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
That wasn't reffering specifically to Darth Nihilus, for a better example of what I meant, what deserves a page more? Bowser or a npc that was only two lines of diolouge in the entire game? BassxForte 21:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
As is mentioned on his page, Bowser is one of the most iconic vidoe game villians, that's real world notability, but we need not deal with that, we're talking about Darth Nihilus, not Bowser. BassxForte 21:50, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I made my thing there, in a little "comments" section, and if you can't accept Nihilushaving his own article my suggustion is the best option. BassxForte 03:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Posted on my talk page by User:BassxForte:
This is not a "citation"; this is an assertion without a source that backs it up, in other words, original research. Please WP:CITE a reliable source per Wikipedia policy that shows the character was named with this association in mind, and not instead after a programmer's pet lizard or an animator's college roommate. -- EEMeltonIV 16:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
All Sith who have "darth" in their title have a names with a meaning, Traya (as in Darth Traya) comes from betrayal. Darth Sion, you'll find Sion is a suffic that means "break", fitting for his apperance. Other sith names, like tyranus, plauguis, and sidious are much clearer. Darth Malak, you'll find "Malak" is an arabic word for "angel", possibly refering to his status as a fallen angel of sorts, (he was once a valiant and rightous jedi knight). BassxForte 17:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
How about the fact that nearly every "darth" sith's name had such a meaning? If you want to check out each darth separately, go here. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth#Darths_through_history BassxForte 17:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
It is a wiki, and when you want to know something Star Wars, it is always reliable. BassxForte 17:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I didn't say, nor did Wookieepedia say, that all darth's name had a second meaning, llike Zannah. BassxForte 17:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
The fact that with only a few select exceptions all sith names have a meaning. BassxForte 18:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I've read them a long time ago, and what i'm saying doesn't violate them. BassxForte 18:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
"trivial"? That's why it was put in the trivia section. BassxForte 18:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Almost all sith names mean something, and your trying to say Nihilus's name's similarity with nihilism just happened by chance?! BassxForte 18:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
All the darth names have meanings, that's your reliable enough source. BassxForte 19:17, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Okay, i'll need a little extra, but only a little. BassxForte 21:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
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The target of this page, List of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic characters, was moved on 29 August. The target should changed to Characters of the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic series#Darth Nihilus to avoid a double redirect. Tutwakhamoe ( talk) 16:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)