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There is a potential copyright issue in that the Darkover_series#The_Ages_of_Chaos section is a literal word-for-word copy of the The Ages of Chaos section of A Reader's Guide to Darkover that's found at the front of Darkover novels such as Traitor's Sun (1999). I am not familiar enough with Darkover to write my own description of this era. For now I don't think it needs to be tagged {{copyvio}} as it may well qualify as "fair use" though the text should at least be attributed to the source. Marc Kupper ( talk) ( contribs) 05:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a copy of The Alton Gift but am wondering about the existing series structure.
Surely some introductory material discussing themes, tone, style etc of the novels before plunging into the chronology would be useful? And why is there no discussion of the novels, in the order they were written, as opposed to the chronology? This article is treating the material as if it were historical, not fictional. Weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 ( talk) 03:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I have fixed at least half of this -- I think it's clear now that we are discussing fiction, not history. However, I don't feel qualified to discuss style and tone issues. The themes are discussed in the sections giving Bradley's time periods. As far as discussing them in the order in which they were written, I don't know how you could make sense of this to the average Wikipedia reader. Bradley started writing in the middle of the timeline, then moved into the past and future as inspiration struck. Symphony Girl ( talk) 15:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I will add the following sections to the article, with as much academic source as possible: Themes, Criticism, and Writing Style and Tone. Wastrel Way ( talk) 17:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC) Eric
I added a copyright section. A lot could be said about fan fiction, but I think it's beyond the scope. What interests me is the broadness of the copyright claim. Apparently it violates copyright to write a Darkover story for your own amusement and never share it with anyone. Wastrel Way ( talk) 17:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC) Eric
I removed the template that said the article was mostly a plot summary. Wastrel Way ( talk) 01:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC) Eric
The Themes section is coming along. Writing Style and Tone are perhaps not possible to discuss for lack of source material. Wastrel Way ( talk) 20:08, 7 August 2019 (UTC) Erix
This sentence is a mess and doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Ignoring the terrible grammar for now (ugh)... So, instead of being ordered by the chronology as stated by the author, the books are ordered by ... what, exactly? Is there some evidence to support the claim that the books state that they are in one era but actually are in another? Because, the ACTUAL chronology seems fine to me. This made-up one here in Wikipedia has no basis. - 207.118.127.145 ( talk) 04:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I think I've fixed the sentence in question. Symphony Girl ( talk) 03:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, further reading has shown me that inconsistencies do indeed exist. HOWEVER, my question now is, on the inconsistent chronologies, are they signed "--M.Z.B."? If not, I would not regard them as being "official". - 207.118.127.145 ( talk) 04:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Bradley had quite a bit to say, herself, about the inconsistent chronology (and other inconsistencies.) She didn't care and didn't see why any reader would... I have added a footnote that I think explains her attitude in 3 words or less. You may delete it with my blessings. Wastrel Way ( talk) 20:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC) Eric
The Chronology section has a lot of material about non-chronological inconsistencies at this time, which I think deserves a separate section. Wastrel Way ( talk) 03:12, 30 September 2019 (UTC) Eric
I disagree with leaving Hawkmistress under Hundred Kingdoms period, I think its more in age of chaos, also my czech edition of it says so too.
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Even english cover of the book (used here on wiki pages under Hawkmistress title) says Age of chaos. If noone will say anything about it in 30 days, I will so modify main Darkover series article and subarticle Hawkmistress to display this book under Age of Chaos category.
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I moved Hawkmistress into the Ages of Chaos and someone immediately moved it back into the Hundred Kingdoms. The chronology section in the front of many of the modern books indicate that the Ages of Chaos is correct, but then if you read Zandru's Forge, which overlaps Hawkmistress, you'd have to place it back in the Hundred Kingdoms. I think the real problem is that Bradley did not really care about the timeline as much as her readers did. Symphony Girl ( talk) 03:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Both List_of_Darkover_books and Hawkmistress! state the book is part of the Ages of Chaos, but this page places it under The Hundred Kingdoms. I don't know the answer, but I think the actual situation is quite confusing... 93.62.153.142 ( talk) 08:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Ref. 26 says:
Well that first sentence is just wrong. Both the Ghost Wind and the Ya-men (mentioned in the paragraph the ref. refers to) are already in The Door Through Space (1961), set on the planet Wolf in the same universe as Darkover (which is mentioned in that novel). The Dry-towns also show up there --- in fact, both them and the Ya-men (though not the G.W.) come from the "Bird of Prey" 1957 original of The Door Through Space, along with a number of other parallels. But somehow all this got ~mysteriously~ shunted to Darkover some years later. I would sort this out but I seem to be too dumb to know how to mess with refs :( Idontcareanymore ( talk) 16:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello I wantet to add the german page in the inter-wiki-links, but I did not find the right way. This would be https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkover or DE:Darkover, or something like this. Greets StephanMS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.43.103.129 ( talk) 13:30, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
I just read a 1952 short story by MZB ("Adventure in Charin") where the protagonist lawman is attempting to apprehend a criminal in order to bring him back to Darkover. I've seen other mentions of Darkover in other 1950s short stories too. 1958 is not the year in which MZB first writes of Darkover by any means. DanQuigley 04:06, 28 June 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanQuigley ( talk • contribs)
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There is a potential copyright issue in that the Darkover_series#The_Ages_of_Chaos section is a literal word-for-word copy of the The Ages of Chaos section of A Reader's Guide to Darkover that's found at the front of Darkover novels such as Traitor's Sun (1999). I am not familiar enough with Darkover to write my own description of this era. For now I don't think it needs to be tagged {{copyvio}} as it may well qualify as "fair use" though the text should at least be attributed to the source. Marc Kupper ( talk) ( contribs) 05:58, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I have a copy of The Alton Gift but am wondering about the existing series structure.
Surely some introductory material discussing themes, tone, style etc of the novels before plunging into the chronology would be useful? And why is there no discussion of the novels, in the order they were written, as opposed to the chronology? This article is treating the material as if it were historical, not fictional. Weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.62.47 ( talk) 03:33, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
I think I have fixed at least half of this -- I think it's clear now that we are discussing fiction, not history. However, I don't feel qualified to discuss style and tone issues. The themes are discussed in the sections giving Bradley's time periods. As far as discussing them in the order in which they were written, I don't know how you could make sense of this to the average Wikipedia reader. Bradley started writing in the middle of the timeline, then moved into the past and future as inspiration struck. Symphony Girl ( talk) 15:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
I will add the following sections to the article, with as much academic source as possible: Themes, Criticism, and Writing Style and Tone. Wastrel Way ( talk) 17:48, 8 June 2019 (UTC) Eric
I added a copyright section. A lot could be said about fan fiction, but I think it's beyond the scope. What interests me is the broadness of the copyright claim. Apparently it violates copyright to write a Darkover story for your own amusement and never share it with anyone. Wastrel Way ( talk) 17:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC) Eric
I removed the template that said the article was mostly a plot summary. Wastrel Way ( talk) 01:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC) Eric
The Themes section is coming along. Writing Style and Tone are perhaps not possible to discuss for lack of source material. Wastrel Way ( talk) 20:08, 7 August 2019 (UTC) Erix
This sentence is a mess and doesn't belong in Wikipedia. Ignoring the terrible grammar for now (ugh)... So, instead of being ordered by the chronology as stated by the author, the books are ordered by ... what, exactly? Is there some evidence to support the claim that the books state that they are in one era but actually are in another? Because, the ACTUAL chronology seems fine to me. This made-up one here in Wikipedia has no basis. - 207.118.127.145 ( talk) 04:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
I think I've fixed the sentence in question. Symphony Girl ( talk) 03:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, further reading has shown me that inconsistencies do indeed exist. HOWEVER, my question now is, on the inconsistent chronologies, are they signed "--M.Z.B."? If not, I would not regard them as being "official". - 207.118.127.145 ( talk) 04:47, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Bradley had quite a bit to say, herself, about the inconsistent chronology (and other inconsistencies.) She didn't care and didn't see why any reader would... I have added a footnote that I think explains her attitude in 3 words or less. You may delete it with my blessings. Wastrel Way ( talk) 20:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC) Eric
The Chronology section has a lot of material about non-chronological inconsistencies at this time, which I think deserves a separate section. Wastrel Way ( talk) 03:12, 30 September 2019 (UTC) Eric
I disagree with leaving Hawkmistress under Hundred Kingdoms period, I think its more in age of chaos, also my czech edition of it says so too.
Robin_WH —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Robin WH (
talk •
contribs)
19:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Even english cover of the book (used here on wiki pages under Hawkmistress title) says Age of chaos. If noone will say anything about it in 30 days, I will so modify main Darkover series article and subarticle Hawkmistress to display this book under Age of Chaos category.
Robin —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Robin WH (
talk •
contribs)
12:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
I moved Hawkmistress into the Ages of Chaos and someone immediately moved it back into the Hundred Kingdoms. The chronology section in the front of many of the modern books indicate that the Ages of Chaos is correct, but then if you read Zandru's Forge, which overlaps Hawkmistress, you'd have to place it back in the Hundred Kingdoms. I think the real problem is that Bradley did not really care about the timeline as much as her readers did. Symphony Girl ( talk) 03:41, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
Both List_of_Darkover_books and Hawkmistress! state the book is part of the Ages of Chaos, but this page places it under The Hundred Kingdoms. I don't know the answer, but I think the actual situation is quite confusing... 93.62.153.142 ( talk) 08:59, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
Ref. 26 says:
Well that first sentence is just wrong. Both the Ghost Wind and the Ya-men (mentioned in the paragraph the ref. refers to) are already in The Door Through Space (1961), set on the planet Wolf in the same universe as Darkover (which is mentioned in that novel). The Dry-towns also show up there --- in fact, both them and the Ya-men (though not the G.W.) come from the "Bird of Prey" 1957 original of The Door Through Space, along with a number of other parallels. But somehow all this got ~mysteriously~ shunted to Darkover some years later. I would sort this out but I seem to be too dumb to know how to mess with refs :( Idontcareanymore ( talk) 16:09, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hello I wantet to add the german page in the inter-wiki-links, but I did not find the right way. This would be https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkover or DE:Darkover, or something like this. Greets StephanMS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.43.103.129 ( talk) 13:30, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
I just read a 1952 short story by MZB ("Adventure in Charin") where the protagonist lawman is attempting to apprehend a criminal in order to bring him back to Darkover. I've seen other mentions of Darkover in other 1950s short stories too. 1958 is not the year in which MZB first writes of Darkover by any means. DanQuigley 04:06, 28 June 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanQuigley ( talk • contribs)