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I found the context of this reference to be POV and found an NPOV ref for the content instead. I didn't want to lose this one, though, in case it's useful elsewhere: "Bosnian Muslims object to Serb terrorism expert addressing European conference". Report from TV Hayat, Sarajevo, 1800 GMT, 5 January 2008. Via BBC Monitoring. — X S G 10:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
More removed refs, as they supported content that was about Srebrenica and Bosnia rather than the subject:
— X S G 10:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started the (long overdue, I'm afraid) rewrite of this article by rewriting the first section. I thought I would pause at this point to discuss where we go from here.
Trifunovic has received a significant amount of coverage in the local and international media - Factiva finds around 80 articles about him or quoting him. The coverage breaks down into three distinct categories, which I'll order chronologically. You can see some of the coverage at [1] (although a lot of it is pay-per-view - fortunately, I've got library access to it).
The question is how much of this should be included. I'm inclined to include it all, since the citizenship controversy is a significant factor in how he got to be where he is now - i.e. his dismissal from government service and relocation to Serbia - and it is covered by reliable sources. The work on counter-terrorism is his current ongoing claim to fame, as he has been a frequent public commentator on the issue; he has been quoted and interviewed numerous times and has even given press conferences.
I'd be interested to know what other contributors think. -- ChrisO ( talk) 23:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
We keep going back and forth on this in edits. It's time we took it here. The lead of this article includes: "He prepared a report for the Republika Srpska (Bosnian Serb) government which denied that the Srebrenica Massacre had occurred during the Bosnian War in July 1995." Being accused of "denying" something, is a very heavy charge, and thus the use of the word "denied" here borders on POV. I would like to remove the word "denied" in order to push this statement back toward NPOV territory, by altering it to read, "He preapred a report for the Republika Srpska (Bosnia Serb) government which posited that the Srebrenica Massacre of July 1995 during the Bosnian War never occurred." We seem to disagree about the use of "denied", as it keeps getting re-inserted, so I'd like to discuss this further.
Also, the lead contained this: "The report, which was described as the apotheosis of a "campaign of misinformation and deceit", was condemned by United Nations officials, survivors of the massacre and international judges carrying out war crimes trials and was eventually disowned by the Bosnian Serb government." While this is true, it is not about the subject of this article. Because of this being a BLP and a highly controversial article with little positive to say about the subject, any dwelling on the negativity of the report (and not on the author himself) is giving that negativity undue weight. To remedy this, I've modified the previous statement to "He prepared a widely criticised report for the Republika Srpska (Bosnian Serb) government which denied that the Srebrenica Massacre had occurred during the Bosnian War in July 1995," and I've moved the references post "criticised", striking "The report, which was described as the apotheosis of a "campaign of misinformation and deceit", was condemned by United Nations officials, survivors of the massacre and international judges carrying out war crimes trials and was eventually disowned by the Bosnian Serb government." I believe that this weighs fairly. — X S G 17:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The re-write is fine - but given the difficulties of this page (socking/BLP issues/biased sources) - this is always likely to be one of those problematic BLPs that causes edit-wars, libels and whitewashes. We know from experience that Wikipedia handles these badly, and although the article might be fine now, it is always likely to be a cause of grief disproportionate to its notability.
We've now got a good article on the report and its reception and its controversy at Report about Case Srebrenica. Is there really anything else to say here that can't be said there? Is this guy at all notable aside from that report and its aftermath? Would we do ourselves a favour by simply redirecting this BLP to the article on the report and its impact?
I was going to afd this on that basis, but discussing a merge/redirect here is probably more productive.-- Scott Mac (Doc) 12:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I've had this article watchlisted since the earlier shenanigans, and while the editors here have done an excellent job with the available material I think on balance the redirect/merge is a good idea. If creating a rounded bio article is impossible, it's probably better to point to his WP:ONEEVENT and leave it at that. EyeSerene talk 08:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello to all. I try to create article about dr Darko Trifunovic and recently found out that there is re direction to some other article. Since that practice is not common at Wiki is there any particular reason for that? From Srebrenica Report article it is not possible to find any other info about dr Darko Trifunovic. My suggestion is that re direction is not proper way and that a article need to be created about living individual. DusanTR ( talk) 21:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
1.Islamic Fundamentalists’ Global Network- Modus Operandi -Model Bosnia ref [2] 2.TERRORISM-Global Network of Islamic Fundamentalist’s – Part II -Modus operandi-Model Bosnia ref [3]. Simply question is why those two reports are not elaborate and why to tohose two reports is not given same treatment as to the first one? Just search over the Net and found out that all those reports were available on net from more tangible resource more than Srebrenica Report. Do not understand me wrong. I do not have anything against Srebrenica Report and this report shell stay. Also, just find out that dr Trifunovic published an article in high ranking scientific journal. Here is the reference http://ssc.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/06/30/0894439310378327.abstract So out of that it is clear that it is a case of an academicians with some scientific results. There is much more what I found like:Islamic Radicalization Processes in South East Europe Case Study: Bosnia ref [4]. There is no a single word that dr Darko Trifunovic was first foreign counter terrorism expert invited by Chinese authorities for the Olympic Games 2008. Here is proper reference and I found out even letter of invitation ref [5]. Or that dr Darko Trifnovic was invited in London 2010 to help British authorities for forthcoming Olympic Games ref [6]. Also, there is a lot of criticism on the account of dr Darko Trifunovic. For example he is criticized mostly from his opponent in Sarajevo for Srebrenica Genocide denial as you already indicate. Also, he is criticized that he is working against Bosnia and Herzegovina ref [7]. That he sue Bosnia and Herzegovina etc...so I do believe that there is a lot of thing to add in the article. DusanTR ( talk) 23:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC) .....one more article...looks like that dr Darko Trifunovic was engaged in World Footbal Coup in South Africa. Here is reference ref [ http://www.vesti.rs/Politika/Orlovi-sigurno-lete-samo-helikopterom.html]. DusanTR ( talk) 00:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
On this web site dr Darko Trifunovic is criticized together with one Muslim Mr.Dzevad Galijasevic, another Croatian Mr.Domagoj Margetic to work for Mr.Dodig current Prime Minister of Republic of Srpska. ref [
http://hiseta.com/index.php/vijesti/politika/1-nevladini-nacisti-dodikovi-pomahnitali-vojnici-galijaevi-margeti-trifunovi].
Here is news that dr Darko Trifunovic established Multinational and multiethnic Expets Team for Counter Terrorism and Organize Crimes ref. [ http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/bosnia-jihadists-bomb-police-station-analysts-state-the-obvious-and-warn-of-more-to-come.html]. This team was also criticizes from the side of some radical Muslim organization in Bosnia.
Dr Darko Trifunovi is in the member of Advisory Board - Institute of Transnational Studies ref [ http://www.transnationalstudies.org/advisory.html].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is guest lecturer and speaker at Institute of Counter Terrorism ref [8].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is full members of International Counter Terrorism Academic Community ref [9].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is contributing writer and member of International Analyst Network [10].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is Senior Advisor at the Research Institute for European and American Studies ref [11].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is Contributing Expert at The Terror Finance Bloge ref [ http://www.terrorfinance.org/the_terror_finance_blog/darko-trifunovic-contribu.html].
Beside all above mentioned....there is strong criticism from side of opponent. All criticism varies from Srebrenica Genocide denial,Wanted Child Molester,a man with “many faces,”darko-trifunovic-expert-on-nothing, A week ago, his E-mail response to Haris Djapic and Alen Jusufovic was exposed publicly at Srebrenica Genocide Blog, quote: “Are you sure you are Serb? Why do you care about Muslims? I wish Mladic killed them all.” etc....
DusanTR (
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01:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This redirect should be diffused from {{ R from person}} to {{ R from writer}}j --a perfect fit as the author of the publication that is the subject of the target article. -- P64 ( talk) 00:11, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
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The following Wikipedia contributor may be personally or professionally connected to the subject of this article. Relevant policies and guidelines may include
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I found the context of this reference to be POV and found an NPOV ref for the content instead. I didn't want to lose this one, though, in case it's useful elsewhere: "Bosnian Muslims object to Serb terrorism expert addressing European conference". Report from TV Hayat, Sarajevo, 1800 GMT, 5 January 2008. Via BBC Monitoring. — X S G 10:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
More removed refs, as they supported content that was about Srebrenica and Bosnia rather than the subject:
— X S G 10:37, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started the (long overdue, I'm afraid) rewrite of this article by rewriting the first section. I thought I would pause at this point to discuss where we go from here.
Trifunovic has received a significant amount of coverage in the local and international media - Factiva finds around 80 articles about him or quoting him. The coverage breaks down into three distinct categories, which I'll order chronologically. You can see some of the coverage at [1] (although a lot of it is pay-per-view - fortunately, I've got library access to it).
The question is how much of this should be included. I'm inclined to include it all, since the citizenship controversy is a significant factor in how he got to be where he is now - i.e. his dismissal from government service and relocation to Serbia - and it is covered by reliable sources. The work on counter-terrorism is his current ongoing claim to fame, as he has been a frequent public commentator on the issue; he has been quoted and interviewed numerous times and has even given press conferences.
I'd be interested to know what other contributors think. -- ChrisO ( talk) 23:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
We keep going back and forth on this in edits. It's time we took it here. The lead of this article includes: "He prepared a report for the Republika Srpska (Bosnian Serb) government which denied that the Srebrenica Massacre had occurred during the Bosnian War in July 1995." Being accused of "denying" something, is a very heavy charge, and thus the use of the word "denied" here borders on POV. I would like to remove the word "denied" in order to push this statement back toward NPOV territory, by altering it to read, "He preapred a report for the Republika Srpska (Bosnia Serb) government which posited that the Srebrenica Massacre of July 1995 during the Bosnian War never occurred." We seem to disagree about the use of "denied", as it keeps getting re-inserted, so I'd like to discuss this further.
Also, the lead contained this: "The report, which was described as the apotheosis of a "campaign of misinformation and deceit", was condemned by United Nations officials, survivors of the massacre and international judges carrying out war crimes trials and was eventually disowned by the Bosnian Serb government." While this is true, it is not about the subject of this article. Because of this being a BLP and a highly controversial article with little positive to say about the subject, any dwelling on the negativity of the report (and not on the author himself) is giving that negativity undue weight. To remedy this, I've modified the previous statement to "He prepared a widely criticised report for the Republika Srpska (Bosnian Serb) government which denied that the Srebrenica Massacre had occurred during the Bosnian War in July 1995," and I've moved the references post "criticised", striking "The report, which was described as the apotheosis of a "campaign of misinformation and deceit", was condemned by United Nations officials, survivors of the massacre and international judges carrying out war crimes trials and was eventually disowned by the Bosnian Serb government." I believe that this weighs fairly. — X S G 17:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The re-write is fine - but given the difficulties of this page (socking/BLP issues/biased sources) - this is always likely to be one of those problematic BLPs that causes edit-wars, libels and whitewashes. We know from experience that Wikipedia handles these badly, and although the article might be fine now, it is always likely to be a cause of grief disproportionate to its notability.
We've now got a good article on the report and its reception and its controversy at Report about Case Srebrenica. Is there really anything else to say here that can't be said there? Is this guy at all notable aside from that report and its aftermath? Would we do ourselves a favour by simply redirecting this BLP to the article on the report and its impact?
I was going to afd this on that basis, but discussing a merge/redirect here is probably more productive.-- Scott Mac (Doc) 12:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I've had this article watchlisted since the earlier shenanigans, and while the editors here have done an excellent job with the available material I think on balance the redirect/merge is a good idea. If creating a rounded bio article is impossible, it's probably better to point to his WP:ONEEVENT and leave it at that. EyeSerene talk 08:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello to all. I try to create article about dr Darko Trifunovic and recently found out that there is re direction to some other article. Since that practice is not common at Wiki is there any particular reason for that? From Srebrenica Report article it is not possible to find any other info about dr Darko Trifunovic. My suggestion is that re direction is not proper way and that a article need to be created about living individual. DusanTR ( talk) 21:52, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
1.Islamic Fundamentalists’ Global Network- Modus Operandi -Model Bosnia ref [2] 2.TERRORISM-Global Network of Islamic Fundamentalist’s – Part II -Modus operandi-Model Bosnia ref [3]. Simply question is why those two reports are not elaborate and why to tohose two reports is not given same treatment as to the first one? Just search over the Net and found out that all those reports were available on net from more tangible resource more than Srebrenica Report. Do not understand me wrong. I do not have anything against Srebrenica Report and this report shell stay. Also, just find out that dr Trifunovic published an article in high ranking scientific journal. Here is the reference http://ssc.sagepub.com/content/early/2010/06/30/0894439310378327.abstract So out of that it is clear that it is a case of an academicians with some scientific results. There is much more what I found like:Islamic Radicalization Processes in South East Europe Case Study: Bosnia ref [4]. There is no a single word that dr Darko Trifunovic was first foreign counter terrorism expert invited by Chinese authorities for the Olympic Games 2008. Here is proper reference and I found out even letter of invitation ref [5]. Or that dr Darko Trifnovic was invited in London 2010 to help British authorities for forthcoming Olympic Games ref [6]. Also, there is a lot of criticism on the account of dr Darko Trifunovic. For example he is criticized mostly from his opponent in Sarajevo for Srebrenica Genocide denial as you already indicate. Also, he is criticized that he is working against Bosnia and Herzegovina ref [7]. That he sue Bosnia and Herzegovina etc...so I do believe that there is a lot of thing to add in the article. DusanTR ( talk) 23:53, 12 February 2011 (UTC) .....one more article...looks like that dr Darko Trifunovic was engaged in World Footbal Coup in South Africa. Here is reference ref [ http://www.vesti.rs/Politika/Orlovi-sigurno-lete-samo-helikopterom.html]. DusanTR ( talk) 00:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
On this web site dr Darko Trifunovic is criticized together with one Muslim Mr.Dzevad Galijasevic, another Croatian Mr.Domagoj Margetic to work for Mr.Dodig current Prime Minister of Republic of Srpska. ref [
http://hiseta.com/index.php/vijesti/politika/1-nevladini-nacisti-dodikovi-pomahnitali-vojnici-galijaevi-margeti-trifunovi].
Here is news that dr Darko Trifunovic established Multinational and multiethnic Expets Team for Counter Terrorism and Organize Crimes ref. [ http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/06/bosnia-jihadists-bomb-police-station-analysts-state-the-obvious-and-warn-of-more-to-come.html]. This team was also criticizes from the side of some radical Muslim organization in Bosnia.
Dr Darko Trifunovi is in the member of Advisory Board - Institute of Transnational Studies ref [ http://www.transnationalstudies.org/advisory.html].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is guest lecturer and speaker at Institute of Counter Terrorism ref [8].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is full members of International Counter Terrorism Academic Community ref [9].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is contributing writer and member of International Analyst Network [10].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is Senior Advisor at the Research Institute for European and American Studies ref [11].
Dr Darko Trifunovic is Contributing Expert at The Terror Finance Bloge ref [ http://www.terrorfinance.org/the_terror_finance_blog/darko-trifunovic-contribu.html].
Beside all above mentioned....there is strong criticism from side of opponent. All criticism varies from Srebrenica Genocide denial,Wanted Child Molester,a man with “many faces,”darko-trifunovic-expert-on-nothing, A week ago, his E-mail response to Haris Djapic and Alen Jusufovic was exposed publicly at Srebrenica Genocide Blog, quote: “Are you sure you are Serb? Why do you care about Muslims? I wish Mladic killed them all.” etc....
DusanTR (
talk)
01:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This redirect should be diffused from {{ R from person}} to {{ R from writer}}j --a perfect fit as the author of the publication that is the subject of the target article. -- P64 ( talk) 00:11, 12 May 2015 (UTC)