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Pinging Kokoro20 and Daerl, "Failure" and "Angels Fall" are promotional singles per WP:PROMOSINGLE. Additionally, a promotional recording is defined as "an audio or video recording distributed for free, usually in order to promote a recording that is or soon will be commercially available. Promos are normally sent directly to broadcasters, such as music radio and television stations, and to tastemakers, such as DJs and music journalists, in advance of the release of commercial editions, in the hope that airplay, reviews, and other forms of exposure will result and stimulate the public's interest in the commercial release." "Failure" and "Angels Fall" both meet these criteria as singles promoting the album. Additionally, "Failure" was sent to broadcasters, played on air, and played by Vevo before becoming available along with the pre-order of Dark Before Dawn, and just because a song charts doesn't preclude it from originally serving as a promotional recording. Jacedc ( talk) 18:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Failure is definitely a lead single as it is promoted on radio. Angels Fall is an instant grat received when the album is promoted. Promotional singles are usually instant grats and NOT promoted to radio. There is a difference between lead singles and promotional singles. Also, what would you suggest to be the lead single if Failure is a promotional single? There definitely has yo be a lead single which is the one promoted on radio. Sorry that my comment is unsigned because I'm not sure how to sign my comment. Anyway, hope to hear your feedback. Regards, Daerl — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daerl ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
"Angels Fall" has now charted at No. 16 on the Billboard Hot Rock Songs chart ( source). It has also been the sole subject of (from what I can find thusfar) four media posts: [1], [2], [3], [4]. This is enough to warrant notability in my book ( WP:NSONGS), therefore I propose the creation of its own article. I'm preparing one here. Thoughts? (I'll go ahead and ping Serge so you can see this). Jacedc ( talk) 14:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I recently made an edit following a string of edits in response to the release of "Defeated", and for whom it may concern I would like to explain my edits. First of all, we don't have a reliable source saying that Burnley is the producer of the entire album, just "Failure". The songs were recorded at different times, so I wouldn't rule out differing producers. Secondly, "Angels Fall" has landed on a major chart so it's not an iTunes single (the interview the editor cited was from last month, so the information gathered from it doesn't apply any more). That said, I think it's safe to assume "Defeated" will follow the same course of action considering the previous two singles had the same release pattern (and it's a common practice among many other bands). Now, I haven't cited the release of "Defeated" to a reliable source because it was just announced via Facebook today, so I haven't been able to find any press releases for it yet. I'm sure some will pop up here within the next couple of days, but for confirmation you can visit their Facebook and YouTube pages. Kind regards, Jacedc ( talk) 23:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
This source was recently contested here on the basis of it being an obscure magazine and from a WordPress Blog. If it can't go in the reception section, it should at least be used somewhere to cite alternative metal in the infobox. Also, places like Jesus Freak Hideout cites it as a source. Kokoro20 ( talk) 15:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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Pinging Kokoro20 and Daerl, "Failure" and "Angels Fall" are promotional singles per WP:PROMOSINGLE. Additionally, a promotional recording is defined as "an audio or video recording distributed for free, usually in order to promote a recording that is or soon will be commercially available. Promos are normally sent directly to broadcasters, such as music radio and television stations, and to tastemakers, such as DJs and music journalists, in advance of the release of commercial editions, in the hope that airplay, reviews, and other forms of exposure will result and stimulate the public's interest in the commercial release." "Failure" and "Angels Fall" both meet these criteria as singles promoting the album. Additionally, "Failure" was sent to broadcasters, played on air, and played by Vevo before becoming available along with the pre-order of Dark Before Dawn, and just because a song charts doesn't preclude it from originally serving as a promotional recording. Jacedc ( talk) 18:01, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Failure is definitely a lead single as it is promoted on radio. Angels Fall is an instant grat received when the album is promoted. Promotional singles are usually instant grats and NOT promoted to radio. There is a difference between lead singles and promotional singles. Also, what would you suggest to be the lead single if Failure is a promotional single? There definitely has yo be a lead single which is the one promoted on radio. Sorry that my comment is unsigned because I'm not sure how to sign my comment. Anyway, hope to hear your feedback. Regards, Daerl — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daerl ( talk • contribs) 02:55, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
"Angels Fall" has now charted at No. 16 on the Billboard Hot Rock Songs chart ( source). It has also been the sole subject of (from what I can find thusfar) four media posts: [1], [2], [3], [4]. This is enough to warrant notability in my book ( WP:NSONGS), therefore I propose the creation of its own article. I'm preparing one here. Thoughts? (I'll go ahead and ping Serge so you can see this). Jacedc ( talk) 14:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
I recently made an edit following a string of edits in response to the release of "Defeated", and for whom it may concern I would like to explain my edits. First of all, we don't have a reliable source saying that Burnley is the producer of the entire album, just "Failure". The songs were recorded at different times, so I wouldn't rule out differing producers. Secondly, "Angels Fall" has landed on a major chart so it's not an iTunes single (the interview the editor cited was from last month, so the information gathered from it doesn't apply any more). That said, I think it's safe to assume "Defeated" will follow the same course of action considering the previous two singles had the same release pattern (and it's a common practice among many other bands). Now, I haven't cited the release of "Defeated" to a reliable source because it was just announced via Facebook today, so I haven't been able to find any press releases for it yet. I'm sure some will pop up here within the next couple of days, but for confirmation you can visit their Facebook and YouTube pages. Kind regards, Jacedc ( talk) 23:04, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
This source was recently contested here on the basis of it being an obscure magazine and from a WordPress Blog. If it can't go in the reception section, it should at least be used somewhere to cite alternative metal in the infobox. Also, places like Jesus Freak Hideout cites it as a source. Kokoro20 ( talk) 15:24, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
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