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Be on the lookout for a reliable source for the start of filming. There are unofficial photos starting to show up here. - DinoSlider ( talk) 22:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
It has too many subsections which are short in content, all mostly a line or two. In that case I think it is best to merge all the subsections into a single level two section called "Production". Kailash29792 ( talk) 06:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Here's a source for, presumably, the US premiere on March 10, if we need it, here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Missing actor; not even listed on the IMBb page. Pretty important character too, in multiple episodes. Page is locked otherwise I'd add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD01:A930:D5A6:46BC:B583:4E89 ( talk) 04:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
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Oscar Clemons was killed by Will Simpson (the show's version of Nuke) in Jessica Jones, not by Kilgrave as stated in the article. 2604:2000:F085:EC00:2C08:DA0D:A01B:72A8 ( talk) 04:59, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
I think each episode should have its breif premise of what happens in it, as all episodes section has (Daredevil's season one's episodes has a premise for each episode so why doesn't season two have them too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
As far as i could see wilson fisk, during season two, is a recurring character not a main one. He appears from episode 8 on till episode 11. That doesn't sound like a main character to me.I'll change it, so please don't delete it as the recurring character section edit says Recurring characters (4 episodes or more). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
I find that guest criteria unfair. Actors like Tony Curran and Clancy Brown appeared this season and yet we can't list them because someone restricted the additions to the guest section. Perhaps there should be a "Reprisals" section for any returning MCU characters. Rusted AutoParts 17:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Adamstom.97: Re this edit. My point was that all summarization involves picking out and emphasizing certain points over others. When I first edited the summary, it didn't make sense internally, as Daredevil was fighting "the Yakuza" and then suddenly he is fighting "the Hand", and it was nowhere explained that these two were the same entities. I figured it would be undue weight in a brief plot summary to explain that the chubby old guy with the bad Japanese revealed at the end of such-and-such episode that he was not Yakuza and the following episode they were revealed to be the Hand, and figured it was better just not to mention the Yakuza at all and simply refer to them as the Hand throughout. The plot summary would become bloated if we explained every little detail and plot twist that was necessary to keep our summary both internally consistent and accurate.
I am not sure if you or someone else has fixed this problem since, but I know your blank reverting me must have reintroduced it.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 02:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Could someone other than Adamstom.97 (who I know doesn't understand how to correctly read sources for this information) answer this: do we have any sources that actually describe D'Onofrio as a member of the main cast? One of the current sources calls it "what might be a one-episode Season 2 stint" and the other source doesn't mention D'Onofrio at all! He probably had less overall screen time than Glenn, Shinkoda or the other other "Yakuza" guy who asks who said he was Yakuza, or the dirty accountant whose son was taken to whom he was talking (sorry, I don't recall either of these characters being named, so it's tough to find the actors' names). And all of his brief screen time was concentrated in one or two episodes. I know someone is going to say that if he was only in two episodes it's not "recurring", but then we should remove Garon and refer to her as a "guest". Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 02:33, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Off-topic rehashing of a dispute on a different article from over a year ago.
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@ Favre1fan93: No one is going to accuse this article of OR because it calls D'Onofrio's character both Fist and Kingpin, and if we are going to be nitpicky the source given for Fox's casting never refers to his character as Daredevil either. So far all three seasons of MCU Netflix (and even most of the MCU films -- see Favreau's commentary on Iron Man 2 where he discusses the brief, jokey reference go "War Machine") have been very conservative with using the superhero/villain monikers of most of the characters, and most of the sources match this. In 26 hours of television I think "Daredevil" was named three or four times in total, "Kingpin" once, "Punisher" ... significantly less than he was referred to as "Castle". For this reason I would say we should keep the "Wilson Fisk / Kingpin" stuff to a minimum, as wikilinks are the standard way of telling our readers that these characters have alternate names, it looks clunky, and it doesn't accurately reflect the way these characters are described in the sources.
A much bigger problem with the Cox source, though, is that it doesn't directly state that Cox would definitely be playing Murdock this season. But how could it? It dates from months before production took place, and Cox could have been killed in a car crash for all the author of that source knew. I brought this up on RSN a while ago, but old sources that say or imply that something will probably happen in the future from the sources' point of view probably can't be used when we say they did happen in the intervening time. The Cox source has Cox saying he would favour Bullseye being in season two, and doesn't mention the Punisher at all, which is actually what the source is about in the first place, rather than verifying that Cox would appear in season two.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 04:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Some good info. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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AussieLegend:
WP:NOTBROKEN specifically says, "Shortcuts or redirects to embedded anchors or sections of articles or of Wikipedia's advice pages should never be bypassed, as the anchors or section headings on the page may change over time. Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links."
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This is exactly this situation- Actually, it's not. There are only 3 links to the redirect and there are not "dozens of piped links" that would need updating. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 14:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
"Shortcuts or redirects to embedded anchors or sections of articles ... should never be bypassed"seems pretty unambiguous. The number of links to the redirect does not seem relevant. The reference to dozens is an example used to illustrate the rationale, not a measuring stick for when it should be applied. The redirect exists, so what is the harm of following the guideline and using it? If nothing else, it is a convenience. - DinoSlider ( talk) 15:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
My edits were reverted. At first because of being in past instead of present and because of not being understandable (despite being in proper English). After 2nd edit attempt, changes again were reverted, this time for unnecessary detail. However, it's not some trivial detail from the episode missing from the summary, it's details that are very important due to creating wrong or rather incomplete picture of what happened. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daredevil_(season_2)&oldid=prev&diff=1102767765)
All for episode 9: 1. Karen went to medical examiner not alone but with newspaper editor, with whom she started working. Why it's important to have in summary that examiner is jobless now, but saying the character wasn't alone isn't important? 2. Summary suggests Frank mortally wounding Dutton is what caused him to talk, while actually Dutton got killed AFTER confessing. 3. The most wrong one: saying DD killed Nobu - that's wrong on many levels because kill-no kill is major part of DD's character and important point in S1. Yes, DD went to fight Fisk intending to kill him, and didn't mind also killing Nobu who came to the fight instead of Fisk, BUT Matt, the Daredevil, himself never killed Nobu, his death was never because of DD's actions. Daredevil himself at that point have never killed anyone. So how can the aforementioned 3 changes be incorporated into summary to feel correct? Gevorg89 ( talk) 21:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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Daredevil vs. the
Punisher"? |
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Be on the lookout for a reliable source for the start of filming. There are unofficial photos starting to show up here. - DinoSlider ( talk) 22:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
It has too many subsections which are short in content, all mostly a line or two. In that case I think it is best to merge all the subsections into a single level two section called "Production". Kailash29792 ( talk) 06:21, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
Here's a source for, presumably, the US premiere on March 10, if we need it, here. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 16:51, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
Missing actor; not even listed on the IMBb page. Pretty important character too, in multiple episodes. Page is locked otherwise I'd add it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CD01:A930:D5A6:46BC:B583:4E89 ( talk) 04:08, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
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Oscar Clemons was killed by Will Simpson (the show's version of Nuke) in Jessica Jones, not by Kilgrave as stated in the article. 2604:2000:F085:EC00:2C08:DA0D:A01B:72A8 ( talk) 04:59, 19 March 2016 (UTC)
I think each episode should have its breif premise of what happens in it, as all episodes section has (Daredevil's season one's episodes has a premise for each episode so why doesn't season two have them too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 21:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
As far as i could see wilson fisk, during season two, is a recurring character not a main one. He appears from episode 8 on till episode 11. That doesn't sound like a main character to me.I'll change it, so please don't delete it as the recurring character section edit says Recurring characters (4 episodes or more). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drumerwritter ( talk • contribs) 21:51, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
I find that guest criteria unfair. Actors like Tony Curran and Clancy Brown appeared this season and yet we can't list them because someone restricted the additions to the guest section. Perhaps there should be a "Reprisals" section for any returning MCU characters. Rusted AutoParts 17:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
@ Adamstom.97: Re this edit. My point was that all summarization involves picking out and emphasizing certain points over others. When I first edited the summary, it didn't make sense internally, as Daredevil was fighting "the Yakuza" and then suddenly he is fighting "the Hand", and it was nowhere explained that these two were the same entities. I figured it would be undue weight in a brief plot summary to explain that the chubby old guy with the bad Japanese revealed at the end of such-and-such episode that he was not Yakuza and the following episode they were revealed to be the Hand, and figured it was better just not to mention the Yakuza at all and simply refer to them as the Hand throughout. The plot summary would become bloated if we explained every little detail and plot twist that was necessary to keep our summary both internally consistent and accurate.
I am not sure if you or someone else has fixed this problem since, but I know your blank reverting me must have reintroduced it.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 02:08, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Could someone other than Adamstom.97 (who I know doesn't understand how to correctly read sources for this information) answer this: do we have any sources that actually describe D'Onofrio as a member of the main cast? One of the current sources calls it "what might be a one-episode Season 2 stint" and the other source doesn't mention D'Onofrio at all! He probably had less overall screen time than Glenn, Shinkoda or the other other "Yakuza" guy who asks who said he was Yakuza, or the dirty accountant whose son was taken to whom he was talking (sorry, I don't recall either of these characters being named, so it's tough to find the actors' names). And all of his brief screen time was concentrated in one or two episodes. I know someone is going to say that if he was only in two episodes it's not "recurring", but then we should remove Garon and refer to her as a "guest". Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 02:33, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
Off-topic rehashing of a dispute on a different article from over a year ago.
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@ Favre1fan93: No one is going to accuse this article of OR because it calls D'Onofrio's character both Fist and Kingpin, and if we are going to be nitpicky the source given for Fox's casting never refers to his character as Daredevil either. So far all three seasons of MCU Netflix (and even most of the MCU films -- see Favreau's commentary on Iron Man 2 where he discusses the brief, jokey reference go "War Machine") have been very conservative with using the superhero/villain monikers of most of the characters, and most of the sources match this. In 26 hours of television I think "Daredevil" was named three or four times in total, "Kingpin" once, "Punisher" ... significantly less than he was referred to as "Castle". For this reason I would say we should keep the "Wilson Fisk / Kingpin" stuff to a minimum, as wikilinks are the standard way of telling our readers that these characters have alternate names, it looks clunky, and it doesn't accurately reflect the way these characters are described in the sources.
A much bigger problem with the Cox source, though, is that it doesn't directly state that Cox would definitely be playing Murdock this season. But how could it? It dates from months before production took place, and Cox could have been killed in a car crash for all the author of that source knew. I brought this up on RSN a while ago, but old sources that say or imply that something will probably happen in the future from the sources' point of view probably can't be used when we say they did happen in the intervening time. The Cox source has Cox saying he would favour Bullseye being in season two, and doesn't mention the Punisher at all, which is actually what the source is about in the first place, rather than verifying that Cox would appear in season two.
Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 04:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Some good info. - Favre1fan93 ( talk) 17:24, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
@
AussieLegend:
WP:NOTBROKEN specifically says, "Shortcuts or redirects to embedded anchors or sections of articles or of Wikipedia's advice pages should never be bypassed, as the anchors or section headings on the page may change over time. Updating one redirect is far more efficient than updating dozens of piped links."
This is exactly this situation. -
DinoSlider (
talk)
13:51, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
This is exactly this situation- Actually, it's not. There are only 3 links to the redirect and there are not "dozens of piped links" that would need updating. -- AussieLegend ( ✉) 14:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
"Shortcuts or redirects to embedded anchors or sections of articles ... should never be bypassed"seems pretty unambiguous. The number of links to the redirect does not seem relevant. The reference to dozens is an example used to illustrate the rationale, not a measuring stick for when it should be applied. The redirect exists, so what is the harm of following the guideline and using it? If nothing else, it is a convenience. - DinoSlider ( talk) 15:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
My edits were reverted. At first because of being in past instead of present and because of not being understandable (despite being in proper English). After 2nd edit attempt, changes again were reverted, this time for unnecessary detail. However, it's not some trivial detail from the episode missing from the summary, it's details that are very important due to creating wrong or rather incomplete picture of what happened. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Daredevil_(season_2)&oldid=prev&diff=1102767765)
All for episode 9: 1. Karen went to medical examiner not alone but with newspaper editor, with whom she started working. Why it's important to have in summary that examiner is jobless now, but saying the character wasn't alone isn't important? 2. Summary suggests Frank mortally wounding Dutton is what caused him to talk, while actually Dutton got killed AFTER confessing. 3. The most wrong one: saying DD killed Nobu - that's wrong on many levels because kill-no kill is major part of DD's character and important point in S1. Yes, DD went to fight Fisk intending to kill him, and didn't mind also killing Nobu who came to the fight instead of Fisk, BUT Matt, the Daredevil, himself never killed Nobu, his death was never because of DD's actions. Daredevil himself at that point have never killed anyone. So how can the aforementioned 3 changes be incorporated into summary to feel correct? Gevorg89 ( talk) 21:27, 6 August 2022 (UTC)