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Dar is not bisexual. That Toronot report was from a magazine that mis-quoted Dar. She's corrected that on many occasions. This line should be removed.
Should she be listed under "gay icons"? She's got quite the lesbian following. (anonymous comment from User:68.46.22.195)
I thought the 'Songs' entry was rather lacking in substantive discussion of Dar's work, so I wrote some. I hope it meets Wikipedia standards... -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshall.Moseley ( talk • contribs)
She has been added to this category. The article does not comment on this. I've read about her several times (even met her once) and don't remember hearing of this. Google just returns copies of the wiki. Does anyone have a source? - MrFizyx 15:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
The overuse of lyrics to trace the path of her career and personal development might be a style problem, and definitely doesn't have the tone of an encyclopedia. Phrases like "jewel of the album" are also POV -- we need to be careful not to be expressing things line that in the article. My first inclination would be to gut that section, but it'd be better to try to rework it into something more appropriate. -- Improv 07:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I am a huge fan of Dar Williams, and I agree with virtually everything that was said in the relatively recently added sections about Dar's earlier and later work. However, I agree that large portions of it do not seem appropriate for an encyclopedia. However, because I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing (and because I am a Dar fan), I can't be the one to remove the material! -- PJMweb 21:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
"It is not an exaggeration to say that Williams is one of the finest songwriters working today. But the real miracle is she seems to have achieved her success without mortgaging even a portion of her soul. She is true to her values, has a sense of humor about the world and herself, and keeps putting out world-class work."
Oh, come on. That's her publicist writing, isn't it? (GLG 1/23/07)
Someone made a laudable attempt to clean up the POV problem by adding he words "considered by some to be" to the following sentence:
Adding weasel words isn't the solution to the problem. - PJMweb 07:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The sentence quoted above is no longer part of the article. It was replaced with a neutral sentence. - 151.197.243.239 05:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Stumbled across several citations saying that Dar is not a vegetarian. They're old, but I found nothing more authoritative.
Removed Dar from Vegetarian category. - PJMweb 07:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Can't find anything that ties Dar's Cry Cry Cry with the song Cry, Cry, Cry. This interview mentions the genesis of Dar's Cry Cry Cry without every talking about the song. I'm removing the reference to the song from the Dar article. - PJMweb 07:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have a free photo of Dar that I took at SUNY New Paltz. Should it be used instead of this copyrighted one? I think it's also a better photo for this article in so far as that it shows her face better. RadicalHarmony 04:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I just changed the in-line references into footnotes, for consistency with other footnotes. In this exercise, I noticed a potential problem with the references: Several of the references refer to news articles that have been reproduced on a website other than the original source's website. To me, this at least reduces the validity of the reference. I wonder whether this should be mentioned in the footnote, and if so, how? An example is Finding a New Approach. - PJMweb 15:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone added a link to Food Is Not Love Interview Episode S2 Premiere in the Links section. I removed the link because I don't think this is a good place for it, for two reasons: 1) The link does not point to a page that is dedicated to Dar Williams, or even focused on Dar Williams in a signficant way, and 2) The link doesn't point directly to the podcast in which Dar Williams is interviewed. However, this made me realize that the Food is Not Love link had somehow disappeared from the Dar Williams article. Investigation showed that it was still in the article, but a glitch was causing it not to be displayed. I fixed the glitch, so now the Food is Not Love link again appears in the References section. - PJMweb —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:15, August 25, 2007 (UTC).
how is the lyrics to Beauty Of the Rain a haiki? Who wrote that? Do they even know what a haiki is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.111.198 ( talk) 05:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure where a eye-witness account fis into the wiki philosophy, but based on attending a couple of concerts (Berkeley and San Juan Capistrano), I can attest to a link between the song and the Band name. The Berkeley concert included the song on the set list, and it was stated that this was the inspiration for the name. It was not on in the SJC set list. Straylimey ( talk) 04:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm cutting a huge chunk out of the Later Work section. It's nice writing for a fansite, but it has nothing to do with the way that wikipedia writes about musicians. If anything, it should be on the relevant song's pages. Here it is:
The Beauty of the Rain features some of her most accomplished songwriting to date. The title track is almost a haiku, discussing how an unnamed person operates from fear in a relationship, and thus loses his or her partner, and how this person fails to understand that the process of relating is what love is:
You don't know the next thing you will say This is your favorite kind of day It has no walls The beauty of the rain Is how it falls, how it falls, how it falls
Williams addresses the subject of motherhood in "The One Who Knows," although she would not become a mother until two years after writing the song:
All the things you treasure most will be the hardest won. I will watch you struggle long before the answers come. But I won't make it harder, I'll be there to cheer you on.
And the chorus:
You'll fly away, but take my hand until that day. So when they ask how far love goes When my job's done you'll be the one who knows.
In "The Mercy of the Fallen", she makes the assertion that those who have erred and been damaged, who have been humbled, bring a worthy lack of judgment to relationships:
There's the wind and the rain And the mercy of the fallen Who say they have no claim to know what's right There's the weak and the strong And the beds that have no answer And that's where I may rest my head tonight
Her most recent CD, My Better Self, features two covers: Neil Young's "Everybody Knows This is Nowhere", and Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". Williams believes that it is all too easy for people to get lulled by the comfort of their routines, and so chose to record the latter song as a "reminder to wake up" and take responsibility for the problems in our world.[6]
She returns to her folk roots with "Teen for God", an upbeat, thoughtful, skewering of the probable reality of teenage Bible camps:
Dear Lord, I plan each day By the things I will not do or say But I'm driven by a passion Is it only there to tame?
Over and out. Ethan Mitchell ( talk) 22:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The Political Life section contains a general description of William's political beliefs. It also contains a description of a recent controversy regarding a letter written by Williams and her husband. This description didn't contain a reference, so I found a supporting article and added a reference it. Someone had previously attempted to remove the verbiage regarding the controversy, but the original editor added it back. The Wikipedia contributions of both of those editors appear to be limited to either posting or deleting information about this controversy. But this little tug-of-war does highlight one question: How relevant to the long career of a singer-songwriter is one controversial letter in a local political campaign? Particularly considering that William's political life is by no means limited to this one incident. For example, I once attended a charity concert given by Williams in support of eliminating the death penalty. PJMweb ( talk) 03:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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Dar is not bisexual. That Toronot report was from a magazine that mis-quoted Dar. She's corrected that on many occasions. This line should be removed.
Should she be listed under "gay icons"? She's got quite the lesbian following. (anonymous comment from User:68.46.22.195)
I thought the 'Songs' entry was rather lacking in substantive discussion of Dar's work, so I wrote some. I hope it meets Wikipedia standards... -—Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshall.Moseley ( talk • contribs)
She has been added to this category. The article does not comment on this. I've read about her several times (even met her once) and don't remember hearing of this. Google just returns copies of the wiki. Does anyone have a source? - MrFizyx 15:35, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
The overuse of lyrics to trace the path of her career and personal development might be a style problem, and definitely doesn't have the tone of an encyclopedia. Phrases like "jewel of the album" are also POV -- we need to be careful not to be expressing things line that in the article. My first inclination would be to gut that section, but it'd be better to try to rework it into something more appropriate. -- Improv 07:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
I am a huge fan of Dar Williams, and I agree with virtually everything that was said in the relatively recently added sections about Dar's earlier and later work. However, I agree that large portions of it do not seem appropriate for an encyclopedia. However, because I am relatively new to Wikipedia editing (and because I am a Dar fan), I can't be the one to remove the material! -- PJMweb 21:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
"It is not an exaggeration to say that Williams is one of the finest songwriters working today. But the real miracle is she seems to have achieved her success without mortgaging even a portion of her soul. She is true to her values, has a sense of humor about the world and herself, and keeps putting out world-class work."
Oh, come on. That's her publicist writing, isn't it? (GLG 1/23/07)
Someone made a laudable attempt to clean up the POV problem by adding he words "considered by some to be" to the following sentence:
Adding weasel words isn't the solution to the problem. - PJMweb 07:35, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
The sentence quoted above is no longer part of the article. It was replaced with a neutral sentence. - 151.197.243.239 05:17, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Stumbled across several citations saying that Dar is not a vegetarian. They're old, but I found nothing more authoritative.
Removed Dar from Vegetarian category. - PJMweb 07:30, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Can't find anything that ties Dar's Cry Cry Cry with the song Cry, Cry, Cry. This interview mentions the genesis of Dar's Cry Cry Cry without every talking about the song. I'm removing the reference to the song from the Dar article. - PJMweb 07:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
I have a free photo of Dar that I took at SUNY New Paltz. Should it be used instead of this copyrighted one? I think it's also a better photo for this article in so far as that it shows her face better. RadicalHarmony 04:51, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I just changed the in-line references into footnotes, for consistency with other footnotes. In this exercise, I noticed a potential problem with the references: Several of the references refer to news articles that have been reproduced on a website other than the original source's website. To me, this at least reduces the validity of the reference. I wonder whether this should be mentioned in the footnote, and if so, how? An example is Finding a New Approach. - PJMweb 15:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Someone added a link to Food Is Not Love Interview Episode S2 Premiere in the Links section. I removed the link because I don't think this is a good place for it, for two reasons: 1) The link does not point to a page that is dedicated to Dar Williams, or even focused on Dar Williams in a signficant way, and 2) The link doesn't point directly to the podcast in which Dar Williams is interviewed. However, this made me realize that the Food is Not Love link had somehow disappeared from the Dar Williams article. Investigation showed that it was still in the article, but a glitch was causing it not to be displayed. I fixed the glitch, so now the Food is Not Love link again appears in the References section. - PJMweb —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:15, August 25, 2007 (UTC).
how is the lyrics to Beauty Of the Rain a haiki? Who wrote that? Do they even know what a haiki is? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.111.198 ( talk) 05:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Not sure where a eye-witness account fis into the wiki philosophy, but based on attending a couple of concerts (Berkeley and San Juan Capistrano), I can attest to a link between the song and the Band name. The Berkeley concert included the song on the set list, and it was stated that this was the inspiration for the name. It was not on in the SJC set list. Straylimey ( talk) 04:29, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm cutting a huge chunk out of the Later Work section. It's nice writing for a fansite, but it has nothing to do with the way that wikipedia writes about musicians. If anything, it should be on the relevant song's pages. Here it is:
The Beauty of the Rain features some of her most accomplished songwriting to date. The title track is almost a haiku, discussing how an unnamed person operates from fear in a relationship, and thus loses his or her partner, and how this person fails to understand that the process of relating is what love is:
You don't know the next thing you will say This is your favorite kind of day It has no walls The beauty of the rain Is how it falls, how it falls, how it falls
Williams addresses the subject of motherhood in "The One Who Knows," although she would not become a mother until two years after writing the song:
All the things you treasure most will be the hardest won. I will watch you struggle long before the answers come. But I won't make it harder, I'll be there to cheer you on.
And the chorus:
You'll fly away, but take my hand until that day. So when they ask how far love goes When my job's done you'll be the one who knows.
In "The Mercy of the Fallen", she makes the assertion that those who have erred and been damaged, who have been humbled, bring a worthy lack of judgment to relationships:
There's the wind and the rain And the mercy of the fallen Who say they have no claim to know what's right There's the weak and the strong And the beds that have no answer And that's where I may rest my head tonight
Her most recent CD, My Better Self, features two covers: Neil Young's "Everybody Knows This is Nowhere", and Pink Floyd's "Comfortably Numb". Williams believes that it is all too easy for people to get lulled by the comfort of their routines, and so chose to record the latter song as a "reminder to wake up" and take responsibility for the problems in our world.[6]
She returns to her folk roots with "Teen for God", an upbeat, thoughtful, skewering of the probable reality of teenage Bible camps:
Dear Lord, I plan each day By the things I will not do or say But I'm driven by a passion Is it only there to tame?
Over and out. Ethan Mitchell ( talk) 22:39, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
The Political Life section contains a general description of William's political beliefs. It also contains a description of a recent controversy regarding a letter written by Williams and her husband. This description didn't contain a reference, so I found a supporting article and added a reference it. Someone had previously attempted to remove the verbiage regarding the controversy, but the original editor added it back. The Wikipedia contributions of both of those editors appear to be limited to either posting or deleting information about this controversy. But this little tug-of-war does highlight one question: How relevant to the long career of a singer-songwriter is one controversial letter in a local political campaign? Particularly considering that William's political life is by no means limited to this one incident. For example, I once attended a charity concert given by Williams in support of eliminating the death penalty. PJMweb ( talk) 03:19, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
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