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Thanks to Mais Oui! for paying attention to my request that, before any further moves be made, the matter should be discussed on the talk page...
I thought Wikipedia could not reference itself. Then, why do you claim the Italian Wikipedia is a valid source? Secondly; Magnus Bäckstedt's name is written with an umlaut - "ä". On his website, nevertheless, he writes it as Backstedt... A name given on the riders' website is not necessarily correct. Óscar Pereiro alternates between Óscar and Oscar on his website. Does that mean both are correct? No, it doesn't.
In Italian, the particle "di" in surnames, just like Dutch van, German von, Spanish de or French de, NEVER goes in capital letters. Period.
Unless somebody gives really good arguments not to do so in the next 24 hours, I will remove this page back to Danilo di Luca and expect some very good reasoning from anybody who complains about it. -- Danilot 14:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Truth is (I am Italian for that matters) that in Italy until the institution of an appropriate office (known as anagrafe) those names were written carelessly, because every single kingdom of the peninsula had different rules, and basically the de/De/di/Di/degli/Degli etc. was considered an useless particle (for instance Durante degli Alighieri is commonly known as Dante Alighieri). Thus, the situation now is that the name is whatever is written in the birth certificate, and we have names such as De Nicola/de Nicola/Denicola and so on; each is different, although it's obvious they were originally the same. In internet there's a funny analysis written by Andrea de Prisco [1] which shows how his name changed over the centuries (in official documents), switching back and forth between the forms "Prisco", "di Prisco", "de Prisco", De Prisco". To get to the point: if Di Luca writes his name in this way, it's probably the correct form of his name, as written on his birth certificate, and it's a different name (officially) from "di Luca". -- Εξαίρετος ( msg) 07:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
So it sounds to me like it should be Danilo Di Luca (which is how the Italian cycling fed also have it)? Severo T C 18:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
the article says this;
During his time at Saeco-Longoni he had a long stroke of bad luck, which began when he lost the Vuelta al País Vasco on the last stage, a mountain time trial in which Andreas Klöden took the lead and the final win. Combined with a succession of injuries and a lack of confidence of the team directors, his performance suffered for many years.
but Andreas Kloden didnt win the vuelta al pais vasco that year he won in 2000 , so did this event occur in 2000 or in 2002? otherwise a good story about his quiet years 2002-2004 so worth mentioning this part of the story, Eugenepunk
Any thoughts on including recent allegations of doping? Di Luca allegedly had abnormally low testosterone, which may indicate use of masking products and other substances. Should we wait to print this? -- Dylanfly 14:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Good point Severo. What do you mean you used to be a Gnome? 'zat a wikipedia term? or... ? -- Dylanfly 00:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why people want to list teammates, unless it's particularly relevant to the article. I mean why does Magnus Backstedt belong here? Maybe for someone like George Hincapie, you want to point out that he rode FOR Lance Armstrong--I mean that DEFINES his professional identity. But Di Luca was never a real domestique for the guys listed. I mean are we supposed to list his whole Liquigas team? Why? I say we zap the teammates. -- Dylanfly 00:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks to Mais Oui! for paying attention to my request that, before any further moves be made, the matter should be discussed on the talk page...
I thought Wikipedia could not reference itself. Then, why do you claim the Italian Wikipedia is a valid source? Secondly; Magnus Bäckstedt's name is written with an umlaut - "ä". On his website, nevertheless, he writes it as Backstedt... A name given on the riders' website is not necessarily correct. Óscar Pereiro alternates between Óscar and Oscar on his website. Does that mean both are correct? No, it doesn't.
In Italian, the particle "di" in surnames, just like Dutch van, German von, Spanish de or French de, NEVER goes in capital letters. Period.
Unless somebody gives really good arguments not to do so in the next 24 hours, I will remove this page back to Danilo di Luca and expect some very good reasoning from anybody who complains about it. -- Danilot 14:43, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Truth is (I am Italian for that matters) that in Italy until the institution of an appropriate office (known as anagrafe) those names were written carelessly, because every single kingdom of the peninsula had different rules, and basically the de/De/di/Di/degli/Degli etc. was considered an useless particle (for instance Durante degli Alighieri is commonly known as Dante Alighieri). Thus, the situation now is that the name is whatever is written in the birth certificate, and we have names such as De Nicola/de Nicola/Denicola and so on; each is different, although it's obvious they were originally the same. In internet there's a funny analysis written by Andrea de Prisco [1] which shows how his name changed over the centuries (in official documents), switching back and forth between the forms "Prisco", "di Prisco", "de Prisco", De Prisco". To get to the point: if Di Luca writes his name in this way, it's probably the correct form of his name, as written on his birth certificate, and it's a different name (officially) from "di Luca". -- Εξαίρετος ( msg) 07:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
So it sounds to me like it should be Danilo Di Luca (which is how the Italian cycling fed also have it)? Severo T C 18:11, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
the article says this;
During his time at Saeco-Longoni he had a long stroke of bad luck, which began when he lost the Vuelta al País Vasco on the last stage, a mountain time trial in which Andreas Klöden took the lead and the final win. Combined with a succession of injuries and a lack of confidence of the team directors, his performance suffered for many years.
but Andreas Kloden didnt win the vuelta al pais vasco that year he won in 2000 , so did this event occur in 2000 or in 2002? otherwise a good story about his quiet years 2002-2004 so worth mentioning this part of the story, Eugenepunk
Any thoughts on including recent allegations of doping? Di Luca allegedly had abnormally low testosterone, which may indicate use of masking products and other substances. Should we wait to print this? -- Dylanfly 14:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Good point Severo. What do you mean you used to be a Gnome? 'zat a wikipedia term? or... ? -- Dylanfly 00:25, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand why people want to list teammates, unless it's particularly relevant to the article. I mean why does Magnus Backstedt belong here? Maybe for someone like George Hincapie, you want to point out that he rode FOR Lance Armstrong--I mean that DEFINES his professional identity. But Di Luca was never a real domestique for the guys listed. I mean are we supposed to list his whole Liquigas team? Why? I say we zap the teammates. -- Dylanfly 00:29, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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