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I've added position quotes to give readers a quick feel for the spirit of Vovak's campaign. All are quoted from the "Campaign Issues" section of his campaign website [1].
Think carefully about this article. Who is this person? What does he have to contribute beyond being an intermittently entertaining "character?" Does his having run for office actually make him a politician? What has the length of his personal journal to do with his status as a "prolific writer?" Just wondering. He's certainly free to advertise himself as he wishes. More power to him.
I guess.
12.161.34.172 20:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was created and is continually edited by the subject, which is discouraged. Please see Wikipedia's autobiographical policy WP:Auto before editing pages, in order to conform to Wiki's WP:NPOV policy, a pillar of Wikipedia. ( Keycap ( talk) 04:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)).
This is an unsupported allegation. I live in NH and I wrote most of the article, and I'm certainly NOT the wig man. Suggest you go spend your time on dictionary.com learning how to spell "Pillar" rather than fabricating reasons to delete articles on people you are politically opposed to.... 75.67.83.165 ( talk) 04:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I have no political feelings about Mr. Vovak one way or another, but considering that the page was created by a user named DanielVovak and has been continually edited with non-cited info that is of a personal nature, it was safe to guess that DanielVovak was actually the subject Daniel Vovak. I did not delete the article, and only removed the NPOV and information that did not seem relevant to the subject or that did not contain a reference. Also, forgive the typo, I copy and pasted the comment from another article that had an autobiography issue (since I didn't know what the proper tag was) and didn't properly proof the statement.( Keycap ( talk) 04:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC))
Keycap: Are you the man I met in Palm Beach, Florida who told people at our dinner table a story about when a seagull dropped its feces on your head? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVovak ( talk • contribs) 22:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to be fair and don't appreciate the veiled insult. I have never met you nor have I voted for (or against you). I am just intersted in getting a fair article and have tried to show good faith regarding edits. Keycap ( talk) 15:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Something must have motivated you to passionately make so many changes. Is it your friend (or associate) I speak of? I doubt it is a coincidence that I met a Kentucky horse breeder a couple days earlier and that your interests overlap.
Your statement is not believable to not know the man I speak of, especially since you are in Kentucky horse breeding and he breeds horses in Kentucky. A fan of horses, you surely know how tight Kentucky is on that subject. A Wiki Editor kindly removed your Auto tag and allowed it even after my additional references. Regardless of your claim, I do thank you for inspiring me to find additional references to my background. As a "political wonk," maybe you are inspired. Daniel_Vovak —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVovak ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
There are several sections that are referenced to vovak.politicalgateway.com; all of the links given there are dead and I was unable to find any reference to Vovak on the site or find these pages in the internet archive. These either need to be turned in to proper references or the material from it will need to be deleted.
Also, there is a section referenced to the Baltimore Sun with a dead link. Again, unless we can find the date, title etc, the information needs to be removed. It looks like that reference may be to a column-piece which is generally not considered to be a very reliable reference. Shell babelfish 10:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice job with most of the changes, especially the rearrangement of references. However, the article in 3PNC cites Jesse Johnson, Gardner Goldsmith, and Linda LaMarche by name. In addition, other parties are mentioned, too: Mountain Party, Green Party, and Libertarian Party. Thus, shouldn't they all be included, else it seems there is political bias against smaller political parties? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVovak ( talk • contribs) 14:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the references linked to Daniel Vovak, it is quickly apparent that a high threshold is met. Recently, there has been a thorough vetting of this website. I welcome fact checking and referencing, though it does seem there has been a higher scrutiny of this page than many others on Wikipedia. Hopefully that begins a trend for other pages to also have more references. My link to Amazon.com was purely to prove that the book "Will You Run for President?" exists, and not to sell books through this page. DanielVovak ( talk) 13:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
This article's sources are problematic, and the article makes several claims that are not backed up by the citations. Here are a few.
Source one from paste magazine backs up the claim that Vovak is an executive producer and ghostwriter. However, the article states "In his own words (and according to the Wikipedia page that is suspiciously similar to his own profile), Daniel Vovak is a successful ghostwriter and prolific non-ghostwriter. Among his other accomplishments: a book, movies in development, a run for the presidency… " The article is citing this page as its source! This is clearly a circular reference and needs to go.
How about the claim that he is the "ghostwriter of "Terror Within."[6]. Source 6 is a link back to the book, but the book does not list him as a co-writer, see here.
Source 9 claims to be from Time magazine but is acutally an unrelated weblog at blogspot Oh I see, it and source 10 are reversed. Doesnt matter, weblogs are not reliable sources so the Time magazine can stay but the weblog has to go.
Source 11: "Clinton movie script being shopped". United Press International. 2008-01-31. [2] links back to a short blurb about the movie, most of which is apparently gained from an interview with Mr. Vovak. In any event, it does not confirm any of the claims that "Dave Clark will play Linda Tripp. Scott duPont will play Izzy (Michael Isikoff). Monica Lewinsky will be played by Ashley-Rebekah Faulkner.[11][12]" Source 12 in that line is a link back to the movie's website.
Source 13 is from prnewswire "Script about Bill, Monica, and Elvis circulates around Hollywood". Greenwich Creations. 2008-01-30. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-30-2008/0004746281&EDATE=." a wp:SPS.
Im going to remove those and keep looking at the sourcing. Bonewah ( talk) 15:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Did Vovak appear on any of the ballots of these races? -- AW ( talk) 08:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Per the guidelines to the wp:lead, it should "explain why the subject is interesting or notable". It seems fairly obvious that the only reason the subject has obtained any sort of notability is because of his political experiences. Why is not that reflected in the lead? If no one objects, I plan on changing the lead to reflect this..perhaps also include something about the planned movie, though that is debatable since it hasn't even been made yet, and it seems that the only reason that has gained any coverage from sources is because of his runs for office. Everything else about ghostwriting, his degree in college, etc. should not be in the lead. Thank you -- Omarcheeseboro ( talk) 14:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Vovak's listing in The Washington Post Magazine is worthy of being in this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/23/AR2009062302343.html. It is agreed to Vovak's methods of gaining near-celebrity status are unique (or unusual), though that does not mean they should be deleted. This listing in The Washington Post was the jump from the cover story in the nation's capital on a Sunday in mid-Summer 2009. Wikipedia searches for a balance between reliable sourcing and noteworthy stories. Vovak's sourcing is obviously not a problem, which aims the issue at noteworthy stories. Yes, some people are famous for being famous. Perhaps, for instance, Palin is famous for being a beauty runner-up. Further, Joe the Plumber is famous for making a logical argument to then-Senator Obama. The importance of this list in The Washington Post is the idealism at the core of the story. Jimmy Stewart embodied those principals in the movie Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, and so does Vovak. In this political era where politicians lie all the time, the people in that story embody truth. If anything is to be deleted, that specific article should be kept on Vovak's page and everything else should be removed, for Vovak's mention in that article embodies why "The Wig Man" fits in America and why the major newspaper in our nation's capital deems him worthy of such a status. DanielVovak ( talk) 15:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
<--outdent: The article was never "yours" in the first place. – ukexpat ( talk) 22:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the template messages on this page are well-founded - the article has a good deal of trivial, unencyclopedic or seemingly self-promotional material that needs to be pared down or removed altogether. I'll make a few passes at it and encourage comments from other editors, particularly disinterested ones. JohnInDC ( talk) 21:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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I've added position quotes to give readers a quick feel for the spirit of Vovak's campaign. All are quoted from the "Campaign Issues" section of his campaign website [1].
Think carefully about this article. Who is this person? What does he have to contribute beyond being an intermittently entertaining "character?" Does his having run for office actually make him a politician? What has the length of his personal journal to do with his status as a "prolific writer?" Just wondering. He's certainly free to advertise himself as he wishes. More power to him.
I guess.
12.161.34.172 20:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
This article was created and is continually edited by the subject, which is discouraged. Please see Wikipedia's autobiographical policy WP:Auto before editing pages, in order to conform to Wiki's WP:NPOV policy, a pillar of Wikipedia. ( Keycap ( talk) 04:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)).
This is an unsupported allegation. I live in NH and I wrote most of the article, and I'm certainly NOT the wig man. Suggest you go spend your time on dictionary.com learning how to spell "Pillar" rather than fabricating reasons to delete articles on people you are politically opposed to.... 75.67.83.165 ( talk) 04:25, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I have no political feelings about Mr. Vovak one way or another, but considering that the page was created by a user named DanielVovak and has been continually edited with non-cited info that is of a personal nature, it was safe to guess that DanielVovak was actually the subject Daniel Vovak. I did not delete the article, and only removed the NPOV and information that did not seem relevant to the subject or that did not contain a reference. Also, forgive the typo, I copy and pasted the comment from another article that had an autobiography issue (since I didn't know what the proper tag was) and didn't properly proof the statement.( Keycap ( talk) 04:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC))
Keycap: Are you the man I met in Palm Beach, Florida who told people at our dinner table a story about when a seagull dropped its feces on your head? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVovak ( talk • contribs) 22:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to be fair and don't appreciate the veiled insult. I have never met you nor have I voted for (or against you). I am just intersted in getting a fair article and have tried to show good faith regarding edits. Keycap ( talk) 15:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Something must have motivated you to passionately make so many changes. Is it your friend (or associate) I speak of? I doubt it is a coincidence that I met a Kentucky horse breeder a couple days earlier and that your interests overlap.
Your statement is not believable to not know the man I speak of, especially since you are in Kentucky horse breeding and he breeds horses in Kentucky. A fan of horses, you surely know how tight Kentucky is on that subject. A Wiki Editor kindly removed your Auto tag and allowed it even after my additional references. Regardless of your claim, I do thank you for inspiring me to find additional references to my background. As a "political wonk," maybe you are inspired. Daniel_Vovak —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVovak ( talk • contribs) 17:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
There are several sections that are referenced to vovak.politicalgateway.com; all of the links given there are dead and I was unable to find any reference to Vovak on the site or find these pages in the internet archive. These either need to be turned in to proper references or the material from it will need to be deleted.
Also, there is a section referenced to the Baltimore Sun with a dead link. Again, unless we can find the date, title etc, the information needs to be removed. It looks like that reference may be to a column-piece which is generally not considered to be a very reliable reference. Shell babelfish 10:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Nice job with most of the changes, especially the rearrangement of references. However, the article in 3PNC cites Jesse Johnson, Gardner Goldsmith, and Linda LaMarche by name. In addition, other parties are mentioned, too: Mountain Party, Green Party, and Libertarian Party. Thus, shouldn't they all be included, else it seems there is political bias against smaller political parties? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielVovak ( talk • contribs) 14:48, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Looking at the references linked to Daniel Vovak, it is quickly apparent that a high threshold is met. Recently, there has been a thorough vetting of this website. I welcome fact checking and referencing, though it does seem there has been a higher scrutiny of this page than many others on Wikipedia. Hopefully that begins a trend for other pages to also have more references. My link to Amazon.com was purely to prove that the book "Will You Run for President?" exists, and not to sell books through this page. DanielVovak ( talk) 13:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
This article's sources are problematic, and the article makes several claims that are not backed up by the citations. Here are a few.
Source one from paste magazine backs up the claim that Vovak is an executive producer and ghostwriter. However, the article states "In his own words (and according to the Wikipedia page that is suspiciously similar to his own profile), Daniel Vovak is a successful ghostwriter and prolific non-ghostwriter. Among his other accomplishments: a book, movies in development, a run for the presidency… " The article is citing this page as its source! This is clearly a circular reference and needs to go.
How about the claim that he is the "ghostwriter of "Terror Within."[6]. Source 6 is a link back to the book, but the book does not list him as a co-writer, see here.
Source 9 claims to be from Time magazine but is acutally an unrelated weblog at blogspot Oh I see, it and source 10 are reversed. Doesnt matter, weblogs are not reliable sources so the Time magazine can stay but the weblog has to go.
Source 11: "Clinton movie script being shopped". United Press International. 2008-01-31. [2] links back to a short blurb about the movie, most of which is apparently gained from an interview with Mr. Vovak. In any event, it does not confirm any of the claims that "Dave Clark will play Linda Tripp. Scott duPont will play Izzy (Michael Isikoff). Monica Lewinsky will be played by Ashley-Rebekah Faulkner.[11][12]" Source 12 in that line is a link back to the movie's website.
Source 13 is from prnewswire "Script about Bill, Monica, and Elvis circulates around Hollywood". Greenwich Creations. 2008-01-30. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-30-2008/0004746281&EDATE=." a wp:SPS.
Im going to remove those and keep looking at the sourcing. Bonewah ( talk) 15:33, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
Did Vovak appear on any of the ballots of these races? -- AW ( talk) 08:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Per the guidelines to the wp:lead, it should "explain why the subject is interesting or notable". It seems fairly obvious that the only reason the subject has obtained any sort of notability is because of his political experiences. Why is not that reflected in the lead? If no one objects, I plan on changing the lead to reflect this..perhaps also include something about the planned movie, though that is debatable since it hasn't even been made yet, and it seems that the only reason that has gained any coverage from sources is because of his runs for office. Everything else about ghostwriting, his degree in college, etc. should not be in the lead. Thank you -- Omarcheeseboro ( talk) 14:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Vovak's listing in The Washington Post Magazine is worthy of being in this article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/23/AR2009062302343.html. It is agreed to Vovak's methods of gaining near-celebrity status are unique (or unusual), though that does not mean they should be deleted. This listing in The Washington Post was the jump from the cover story in the nation's capital on a Sunday in mid-Summer 2009. Wikipedia searches for a balance between reliable sourcing and noteworthy stories. Vovak's sourcing is obviously not a problem, which aims the issue at noteworthy stories. Yes, some people are famous for being famous. Perhaps, for instance, Palin is famous for being a beauty runner-up. Further, Joe the Plumber is famous for making a logical argument to then-Senator Obama. The importance of this list in The Washington Post is the idealism at the core of the story. Jimmy Stewart embodied those principals in the movie Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, and so does Vovak. In this political era where politicians lie all the time, the people in that story embody truth. If anything is to be deleted, that specific article should be kept on Vovak's page and everything else should be removed, for Vovak's mention in that article embodies why "The Wig Man" fits in America and why the major newspaper in our nation's capital deems him worthy of such a status. DanielVovak ( talk) 15:15, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
<--outdent: The article was never "yours" in the first place. – ukexpat ( talk) 22:41, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
I think the template messages on this page are well-founded - the article has a good deal of trivial, unencyclopedic or seemingly self-promotional material that needs to be pared down or removed altogether. I'll make a few passes at it and encourage comments from other editors, particularly disinterested ones. JohnInDC ( talk) 21:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
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