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Do we really need the table for the call out order as it is just useless trivia that has no relevance to the article itself? -- MSalmon ( talk) 20:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
The call out order has not been finalized yet...no one has been eliminated yet... Perfectprpl ( talk) 01:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Could this page be semi protected until it has finished due to vandalism and unreferenced edits? -- MSalmon ( talk) 23:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
There should be a section for the Dance Troupe since they are going to be on every result show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.224.115.41 ( talk) 00:35, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
It should not be filled in all the way. The show is only in week 6, person predictions should not be allowed to be posted.
Katierobin23 ( talk) 20:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Question: Should Ralph and Karina be listed as having the encore dance for the week? They were part of the group dance that was picked for the encore. It was not their individual dance that was chosen. 129.174.188.95 ( talk) 16:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody know how the judges will be scoring the team dances, will it be individually or as a group? -- MSalmon ( talk) 19:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Should we normalize the 40 point scores to 30 points so that the averages make sense or just leave them out? What about the team dances? Marked ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:54, 4 May 2011 (UTC).
Individual judges scores in the chart below (given in parentheses) are listed in this order from left to right: Carrie Ann Inaba, Len Goodman, Bruno Tonioli + Donnie Burns
Couple | Norm | Score | Style | Musi | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
7 | Hines & Kym | 27 | 27 (9,8,10) + 9 = 36 | Tango | " La lección de Tango" — Fred Frith and Sally Potter |
6 | Ralph & Karina | 27 | 26 (9,8,9) + 10 = 36 | Quickstep | " Pencil Full Of Lead" — Paolo Nutini |
3 | Chelsea & Mark | 25.5 | 26 (9,8,9) + 08 = 34 | Paso Doble | " Ghosts 'N Stuff" — Deadmau5 feat. Rob Swire |
4 | Kendra & Louis | 23.25 | 23 (8,7,8) + 8 = 31 | Tango | " Jealousy" — Billy Fury |
8 | Romeo & Chelsie | 22.5 | 23 (8,7,8) + 7 = 30 | Samba | " Say Hey (I Love You)" — Michael Franti & Spearhead |
2 | Hines & Kym Kirstie & Maks Kendra & Louis |
22.5 | 23 (7,8,8) + 7 = 30 | Cha-Cha-Cha | " We R Who We R" — Ke$ha |
1 | Chelsea & Mark Ralph & Karina Romeo & Chelsie |
22.5 | 22 (8,7,7) + 8 = 30 | Cha-Cha-Cha | " Born This Way" — Lady Gaga |
5 | Kirstie & Maks | 22.5 | 21 (7,6,8) + 9 = 30 | Jive | " La Bamba" — Ritchie Valens |
I find the colors in the callout table confusing. Anyone have objections to a new set? This is my proposal:
Marked ( talk) 05:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Where did the call-out order box even go? It looks like someone deleted it completely! Cespence17 ( talk) 00:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I think some vandal got on here and deleted the score chart because it's disappeared. Please, someone with more Wiki editing savvy than I have, fix it! Onesmallnote ( talk) 02:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Why do people keep adding the scores and averages for Week 7 when they know it was out of 40 and not 30? -- MSalmon ( talk) 08:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Team Dances should b —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.17.95.12 ( talk) 16:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Any ideas about handling the 15 point score? Marked ( talk) 01:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Example: Chelsea & Mark--21+18+23+26+26+28+30+34+29+26+28+30+15=334. Now, take the total possible amount of points she could have received--30+30+30+30+30+30+40+40+30+30+30+30+15=395. Now take 334/395 which is .84557...now multiply that by 30....25.3671. There you go! Hope this works. Let me know!!! TDI19 ( talk) 02:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Example:21+18+23+26+26+28+30*3/4+34*3/4+29+26+28+30=303points
303points/12dances=25.25 points/dance
or the same thing another way
(21/30+18/30+23/30+26/30+26/30+28/30+30/40+34/40+29/30+26/30+28/30+30/30)/12=10.1/12=84.17%
30*.8417=25.25
Or alternatively you can say every episode should be given the same weight which looks like: (21/30+18/30+23/30+26/30+26/30+28/30+64/80+55/60+58/60)/9=82.4% 30*.824=24.7 Marked ( talk) 07:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I changed most the weeks tables to be sortable. I don't think I can change the the last few weeks with 2 dances because it was entered a rowspan. I want to change the table so each dance has their own line, and it's in the correct order of the show, instead of combined by couple. Any preference to not have sortable tables? Marked ( talk)
Couple | Score | Style | Music |
---|---|---|---|
Chelsea & Mark | 29 (10,9,10) | Waltz | " My Love" — Sia |
Hines & Kym | 28 (9,9,10) | Foxtrot | " This Will Be" — Natalie Cole |
Romeo & Chelsie | 27 (9,9,9) | Tango | " Hold It Against Me" — Britney Spears |
Ralph & Karina | 25 (8,8,9) | Viennese Waltz | "Maybe I, Maybe You" — The Scorpions |
Kirstie & Maks | 28 (9,9,10) | Argentine Tango | "Cite Tango" — Ástor Piazzolla |
Chelsea & Mark | 26 (8,9,9) | Instant Salsa | " Get Busy" — Sean Paul |
Hines & Kym | 26 (9,9,8) | Instant Jive | " Chantilly Lace" — Jerry Lee Lewis |
Romeo & Chelsie | 25 (8,9,8) | Instant Salsa | " Tequila" — Xavier Cugat |
Ralph & Karina | 21 (7,7,7) | Instant Cha-Cha-Cha | " Stuck in the Middle With You" — Stealers Wheel |
Kirstie & Maks | 25 (8,9,8) | Instant Salsa | " Cobrastyle" — Teddybears ft. Mad Cobra |
We're getting multiple edits for the Britney Spears song because it's called ...Baby One More Time but people know it as Hit Me Baby. What should it be? 76.30.70.62 ( talk) 02:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
subject says it all - song title is "We Got the Beat". this refers to the live performance on 5/24 in week 10.
new guy here, hope I'm doing this right. Markvb76 ( talk) 02:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
What does the color Aqua represent on the Scoring Schart exactly? -- MSalmon ( talk) 10:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Listing tables of unverified statistics falls under the WP:NOT#STATS and WP:IINFO guidelines. Even if excessive listing of statistics wasn't a violation of those guidelines, the statistics themselves are all unsourced, which violates WP:VERIFY and WP:OR. Sottolacqua ( talk) 15:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
See the history. -- Plankton5165 ( talk) 23:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Here's the unsourced inforation. This does not belong in the article until sources can be provided for the basic details. However, this also does not belong in the article because it is a clear violation of WP:IINFO. At minimum, the excessive listing of statistics and intricate detail must be trimmed, and the info that remains must be sourced. Sottolacqua ( talk) 13:42, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Talk:Dancing with the Stars (U.S. season 12)/Unsourced stats
You still have a long way to go. -- Plankton5165 ( talk) 04:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
There are dozens (hundreds) of news reports in the OK Magazine website (for example), which include most of the details for the weekly scores, dances, songs, and elimination date for each couple, plus the reported injuries of each dancer. See Google Search for:
That search will list results matching news reports for U.S. season 12, as well as U.S. season 13 (which began in late 2011). For example:
There is one major "DWTS" report for each of the 10 weeks, and several others for specific celebrities during each week. Including other websites, such as CBS News, there are many hundreds of source webpages. The tables in the Wikipedia article are composites from checking the sources for each week of the competition. - Wikid77 05:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The link Daljp11 provided does not feature information for the individual scores from judges listed in the tables. If you're going to add references, link to the specific pages that show score statistics, and provide the proper reference coding in-line with those scores. Please stop adding endless tables of WP:IINFO...this is a violation of WP:NOT#STATS. Averages, highest/lowest scores, etc. are unnecessary to understand the topic of this article, clutter the article and severely decrease the readability of the article. Sottolacqua ( talk) 22:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Msalmon, please stop reverting efforts to increase the readability of this article. You are hindering an effort to improve the flow and make table formats consistent in this article. Sottolacqua ( talk) 15:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Previously, the scoring chart featured multiple text formats in bold, italics and different-colored backgrounds, which made it very cluttered and confusing, requiring multiple checks to understand the info presented. The same colors are now used in both the score chart and the dance chart, but another editor requested an additional format to show which couples were in danger of being eliminated each week.
Does anyone have a suggestion on how to achieve this? Perhaps removing the shading for highest/lowest-scoring performance and only highlighting those in danger of being eliminated? Sottolacqua ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed the page has gone under construction, but I wish the running order section was back. I found it quite helpful in seeing the songs someone danced to and what the exact judges' score was. 70.119.204.87 ( talk) 06:34, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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Do we really need the table for the call out order as it is just useless trivia that has no relevance to the article itself? -- MSalmon ( talk) 20:56, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
The call out order has not been finalized yet...no one has been eliminated yet... Perfectprpl ( talk) 01:35, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Could this page be semi protected until it has finished due to vandalism and unreferenced edits? -- MSalmon ( talk) 23:18, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
There should be a section for the Dance Troupe since they are going to be on every result show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.224.115.41 ( talk) 00:35, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
It should not be filled in all the way. The show is only in week 6, person predictions should not be allowed to be posted.
Katierobin23 ( talk) 20:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Question: Should Ralph and Karina be listed as having the encore dance for the week? They were part of the group dance that was picked for the encore. It was not their individual dance that was chosen. 129.174.188.95 ( talk) 16:52, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
Does anybody know how the judges will be scoring the team dances, will it be individually or as a group? -- MSalmon ( talk) 19:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Should we normalize the 40 point scores to 30 points so that the averages make sense or just leave them out? What about the team dances? Marked ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:54, 4 May 2011 (UTC).
Individual judges scores in the chart below (given in parentheses) are listed in this order from left to right: Carrie Ann Inaba, Len Goodman, Bruno Tonioli + Donnie Burns
Couple | Norm | Score | Style | Musi | |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
7 | Hines & Kym | 27 | 27 (9,8,10) + 9 = 36 | Tango | " La lección de Tango" — Fred Frith and Sally Potter |
6 | Ralph & Karina | 27 | 26 (9,8,9) + 10 = 36 | Quickstep | " Pencil Full Of Lead" — Paolo Nutini |
3 | Chelsea & Mark | 25.5 | 26 (9,8,9) + 08 = 34 | Paso Doble | " Ghosts 'N Stuff" — Deadmau5 feat. Rob Swire |
4 | Kendra & Louis | 23.25 | 23 (8,7,8) + 8 = 31 | Tango | " Jealousy" — Billy Fury |
8 | Romeo & Chelsie | 22.5 | 23 (8,7,8) + 7 = 30 | Samba | " Say Hey (I Love You)" — Michael Franti & Spearhead |
2 | Hines & Kym Kirstie & Maks Kendra & Louis |
22.5 | 23 (7,8,8) + 7 = 30 | Cha-Cha-Cha | " We R Who We R" — Ke$ha |
1 | Chelsea & Mark Ralph & Karina Romeo & Chelsie |
22.5 | 22 (8,7,7) + 8 = 30 | Cha-Cha-Cha | " Born This Way" — Lady Gaga |
5 | Kirstie & Maks | 22.5 | 21 (7,6,8) + 9 = 30 | Jive | " La Bamba" — Ritchie Valens |
I find the colors in the callout table confusing. Anyone have objections to a new set? This is my proposal:
Marked ( talk) 05:12, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Where did the call-out order box even go? It looks like someone deleted it completely! Cespence17 ( talk) 00:18, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
I think some vandal got on here and deleted the score chart because it's disappeared. Please, someone with more Wiki editing savvy than I have, fix it! Onesmallnote ( talk) 02:40, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Why do people keep adding the scores and averages for Week 7 when they know it was out of 40 and not 30? -- MSalmon ( talk) 08:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
Team Dances should b —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.17.95.12 ( talk) 16:37, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Any ideas about handling the 15 point score? Marked ( talk) 01:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Example: Chelsea & Mark--21+18+23+26+26+28+30+34+29+26+28+30+15=334. Now, take the total possible amount of points she could have received--30+30+30+30+30+30+40+40+30+30+30+30+15=395. Now take 334/395 which is .84557...now multiply that by 30....25.3671. There you go! Hope this works. Let me know!!! TDI19 ( talk) 02:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Example:21+18+23+26+26+28+30*3/4+34*3/4+29+26+28+30=303points
303points/12dances=25.25 points/dance
or the same thing another way
(21/30+18/30+23/30+26/30+26/30+28/30+30/40+34/40+29/30+26/30+28/30+30/30)/12=10.1/12=84.17%
30*.8417=25.25
Or alternatively you can say every episode should be given the same weight which looks like: (21/30+18/30+23/30+26/30+26/30+28/30+64/80+55/60+58/60)/9=82.4% 30*.824=24.7 Marked ( talk) 07:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
I changed most the weeks tables to be sortable. I don't think I can change the the last few weeks with 2 dances because it was entered a rowspan. I want to change the table so each dance has their own line, and it's in the correct order of the show, instead of combined by couple. Any preference to not have sortable tables? Marked ( talk)
Couple | Score | Style | Music |
---|---|---|---|
Chelsea & Mark | 29 (10,9,10) | Waltz | " My Love" — Sia |
Hines & Kym | 28 (9,9,10) | Foxtrot | " This Will Be" — Natalie Cole |
Romeo & Chelsie | 27 (9,9,9) | Tango | " Hold It Against Me" — Britney Spears |
Ralph & Karina | 25 (8,8,9) | Viennese Waltz | "Maybe I, Maybe You" — The Scorpions |
Kirstie & Maks | 28 (9,9,10) | Argentine Tango | "Cite Tango" — Ástor Piazzolla |
Chelsea & Mark | 26 (8,9,9) | Instant Salsa | " Get Busy" — Sean Paul |
Hines & Kym | 26 (9,9,8) | Instant Jive | " Chantilly Lace" — Jerry Lee Lewis |
Romeo & Chelsie | 25 (8,9,8) | Instant Salsa | " Tequila" — Xavier Cugat |
Ralph & Karina | 21 (7,7,7) | Instant Cha-Cha-Cha | " Stuck in the Middle With You" — Stealers Wheel |
Kirstie & Maks | 25 (8,9,8) | Instant Salsa | " Cobrastyle" — Teddybears ft. Mad Cobra |
We're getting multiple edits for the Britney Spears song because it's called ...Baby One More Time but people know it as Hit Me Baby. What should it be? 76.30.70.62 ( talk) 02:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
subject says it all - song title is "We Got the Beat". this refers to the live performance on 5/24 in week 10.
new guy here, hope I'm doing this right. Markvb76 ( talk) 02:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
What does the color Aqua represent on the Scoring Schart exactly? -- MSalmon ( talk) 10:41, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Listing tables of unverified statistics falls under the WP:NOT#STATS and WP:IINFO guidelines. Even if excessive listing of statistics wasn't a violation of those guidelines, the statistics themselves are all unsourced, which violates WP:VERIFY and WP:OR. Sottolacqua ( talk) 15:40, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
See the history. -- Plankton5165 ( talk) 23:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Here's the unsourced inforation. This does not belong in the article until sources can be provided for the basic details. However, this also does not belong in the article because it is a clear violation of WP:IINFO. At minimum, the excessive listing of statistics and intricate detail must be trimmed, and the info that remains must be sourced. Sottolacqua ( talk) 13:42, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Talk:Dancing with the Stars (U.S. season 12)/Unsourced stats
You still have a long way to go. -- Plankton5165 ( talk) 04:18, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
There are dozens (hundreds) of news reports in the OK Magazine website (for example), which include most of the details for the weekly scores, dances, songs, and elimination date for each couple, plus the reported injuries of each dancer. See Google Search for:
That search will list results matching news reports for U.S. season 12, as well as U.S. season 13 (which began in late 2011). For example:
There is one major "DWTS" report for each of the 10 weeks, and several others for specific celebrities during each week. Including other websites, such as CBS News, there are many hundreds of source webpages. The tables in the Wikipedia article are composites from checking the sources for each week of the competition. - Wikid77 05:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
The link Daljp11 provided does not feature information for the individual scores from judges listed in the tables. If you're going to add references, link to the specific pages that show score statistics, and provide the proper reference coding in-line with those scores. Please stop adding endless tables of WP:IINFO...this is a violation of WP:NOT#STATS. Averages, highest/lowest scores, etc. are unnecessary to understand the topic of this article, clutter the article and severely decrease the readability of the article. Sottolacqua ( talk) 22:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Msalmon, please stop reverting efforts to increase the readability of this article. You are hindering an effort to improve the flow and make table formats consistent in this article. Sottolacqua ( talk) 15:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Previously, the scoring chart featured multiple text formats in bold, italics and different-colored backgrounds, which made it very cluttered and confusing, requiring multiple checks to understand the info presented. The same colors are now used in both the score chart and the dance chart, but another editor requested an additional format to show which couples were in danger of being eliminated each week.
Does anyone have a suggestion on how to achieve this? Perhaps removing the shading for highest/lowest-scoring performance and only highlighting those in danger of being eliminated? Sottolacqua ( talk) 15:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I noticed the page has gone under construction, but I wish the running order section was back. I found it quite helpful in seeing the songs someone danced to and what the exact judges' score was. 70.119.204.87 ( talk) 06:34, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
It seems that this article is using colours in the infobox which don't satisfy Wikipedia's accessibility guidelines. The contrast between the foreground colour and the background colour is low, which means that it may be difficult or impossible for people with visual impairments to read it.
To correct this problem, a group of editors have decided to remove support for invalid colours from Template:Infobox television season and other television season templates after 1 September 2015. If you would still like to use custom colours for the infobox and episode list in this article after that date, please ensure that the colours meet the WCAG AAA standard.
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