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A new section should be added to this entry regarding controversies over his official public addresses. Specifically, he recently compared the Mormons experiencing backlash from Proposition 8 to the black civil rights movement, which drew a lot of criticism from progressive Mormons, political pundits, black advocacy groups, and civil rights groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.148.244 ( talk) 04:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 07:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Recentism in the first sense—established articles that are bloated with event-specific facts at the expense of longstanding content—is usually considered one of Wikipedia's faults. But in many cases, the recentist content can be a valuable preliminary stage in gathering information. Any encyclopedia, even Britannica, goes through rough drafts; new Wikipedia articles are published while in draft and developed/improved in real time, so rapidly developing drafts may appear to be a clutter of news links and half-developed thoughts. Later, as the big picture emerges, the least relevant content ought to be and often is eliminated.--- WP:RECENTISM
Wikipedia tends to use only first and last names in article titles unless the name given in the media for the subject is a fuller version of hi/r name, almost always (or in some cases to help differentiate people with similar names); so, I have moved this article to the title "Dallin Oaks." For example, compare the case of " Willard Boyle," a scientist who also signs his works with a name that includes his formal, middle initial. ↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 07:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The first link under the Biography section no longer works at the web site to which it refers. 166.20.224.12 ( talk) 16:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
The conference of the church is referred to in the article as "annual." It is actually semi-annual as noted in the Wikipedia article on the conference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelcooper ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I doubt that Dallin Oaks was a 'radio engineer' as he was working as an announcer I would suspect that he was a broadcast technician or transmitter engineer, an entirely different career option to a radio engineer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.25.112 ( talk) 15:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
The list of books at the end of the article omits his co-authored work on trusts that I used in law school, even though it is mentioned in the body of the Wiki article: http://www.amazon.com/Cases-Trusts-University-Casebook-Series/dp/1599412357 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.241.240 ( talk) 18:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
There was actually a book written on Oaks presidency at BYU. I read it once but do not recall it's title. I feel we should add more on that matter. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, everyone! I wanted to open up for discussion the section on publications. I appreciate the good faith additions of missing publications, but many of those were co-written with his wife (some with current wife Kristen and some with his first wife June). For whatever reason, mention of that co-authoring is missing from this article. I would attempt to fix some of those myself, but I am worried that I might mess up the citation template in so doing. How should that be addressed? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:40, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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This article [1] mentions Oaks mother Stella having a "nervous breakdown" when she first resumed teaching after Lloyd D. Oaks death. I am not sure the best way to include it in the article. I have so far mainly used the article for covering that Oaks lives in Payson and Vernal as well as Provo while growing up. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I am wondering if it might be justified to either include under publications or include seperately a listing of his significant talks. I would think this could include the title and in some cases a summary of every talk he has given at General Conference. Also some of his talks to what are now refered to as the Young Adult Devotional are very epic setting, especially his talk when he spoke against hanging out, for dating, and for a decrese in both the actual cost and more importantly the assigned social cost of dating. Some of his addresses on religious freedom would also probably bear inclusion hear. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I am in the progress of improving this article in the hopes that it can achieve good article or better. I am filling in missing information and finding citations for pieces of information that aren't cited. I am in dire need of citations for the section titled Scholarly research and notable opinions. I would definitely appreciate help from anyone who knows where the information about Oaks' work on the court cases came from. Skyes(BYU) ( talk) 21:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
An anonymous user changed the age of Oaks's father at death from thirty-three to thirty-seven. The RSC source, which I can access online, states that his father was thirty-six. Please mention here if another source is contradictory. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 17:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello again, everyone! After seeing the persistent efforts by one editor to insert the term "Mormon" in place of "LDS" in this article (which has been reverted in every instance by different editors, I thought I, as one not yet involved in that matter, would post this subject to clarify the issue. My thoughts on this are as follows: As observed in the reverts back to the term "LDS" demonstrate, that is correct per the entry for the Church and its' members in the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If anyone has a problem with the terminology approved by that MOS, then work should be done to gain consensus to change the MOS, not the terminology employed in the individual articles about subjects related to the Church. So that's the first problem I see with this issue. The second problem (only slightly less significant) is the one editor's insistence that "everyone knows [the Church and its' members] as Mormons." The established guidelines in the MOS section on the Church note that the term Mormonism (and therefore usage of the term "Mormon" to refer to members of the Church) generally refers to any one of the many religious offshoots that trace their origins back to Joseph Smith, and not just the "LDS Church" as it is known here on Wikipedia. But more than that, last year in August, current Church President Russell M. Nelson released updated guidelines specifying the proper usage of the name of the Church. Among the new guidelines was the idea that the terms "Mormon" or "Mormonism" should not be employed in mentions of the Church or its' members. For purposes of the articles about Church-related topics here on Wikipedia, that means, among other things, that the mention of the full and proper name of the Church in the first part of any article covering a Church-related subject (which, in this article, is done in the first sentence in the first paragraph) can be followed by the acceptable abbreviations, but that the term "Mormon" should not be employed in such cases. So by combining those guidelines with the Wikipedia Manual of Style, we arrive at the conclusion that replacing mentions to "the LDS Church" with references to "the Mormon Church" is both inaccurate and inappropriate. And either way, anyone who continues to attempt to make the change from the former term to the latter could be considered in violation of the 3-revert rule, which can in some cases lead to disciplinary measures being necessary. If anyone has any comments or questions on this, including a need for any clarification of anything I have said herein, that's why I wanted to start this subject, and we can dialogue about that here as needed. Thanks again, everyone! Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
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A new section should be added to this entry regarding controversies over his official public addresses. Specifically, he recently compared the Mormons experiencing backlash from Proposition 8 to the black civil rights movement, which drew a lot of criticism from progressive Mormons, political pundits, black advocacy groups, and civil rights groups. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.148.244 ( talk) 04:51, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 07:06, 18 October 2009 (UTC)Recentism in the first sense—established articles that are bloated with event-specific facts at the expense of longstanding content—is usually considered one of Wikipedia's faults. But in many cases, the recentist content can be a valuable preliminary stage in gathering information. Any encyclopedia, even Britannica, goes through rough drafts; new Wikipedia articles are published while in draft and developed/improved in real time, so rapidly developing drafts may appear to be a clutter of news links and half-developed thoughts. Later, as the big picture emerges, the least relevant content ought to be and often is eliminated.--- WP:RECENTISM
Wikipedia tends to use only first and last names in article titles unless the name given in the media for the subject is a fuller version of hi/r name, almost always (or in some cases to help differentiate people with similar names); so, I have moved this article to the title "Dallin Oaks." For example, compare the case of " Willard Boyle," a scientist who also signs his works with a name that includes his formal, middle initial. ↜ (‘Just M E ’here , now) 07:22, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
The first link under the Biography section no longer works at the web site to which it refers. 166.20.224.12 ( talk) 16:52, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
The conference of the church is referred to in the article as "annual." It is actually semi-annual as noted in the Wikipedia article on the conference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurelcooper ( talk • contribs) 03:51, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
I doubt that Dallin Oaks was a 'radio engineer' as he was working as an announcer I would suspect that he was a broadcast technician or transmitter engineer, an entirely different career option to a radio engineer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.13.25.112 ( talk) 15:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
The list of books at the end of the article omits his co-authored work on trusts that I used in law school, even though it is mentioned in the body of the Wiki article: http://www.amazon.com/Cases-Trusts-University-Casebook-Series/dp/1599412357 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.94.241.240 ( talk) 18:39, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
There was actually a book written on Oaks presidency at BYU. I read it once but do not recall it's title. I feel we should add more on that matter. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:25, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, everyone! I wanted to open up for discussion the section on publications. I appreciate the good faith additions of missing publications, but many of those were co-written with his wife (some with current wife Kristen and some with his first wife June). For whatever reason, mention of that co-authoring is missing from this article. I would attempt to fix some of those myself, but I am worried that I might mess up the citation template in so doing. How should that be addressed? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:40, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
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This article [1] mentions Oaks mother Stella having a "nervous breakdown" when she first resumed teaching after Lloyd D. Oaks death. I am not sure the best way to include it in the article. I have so far mainly used the article for covering that Oaks lives in Payson and Vernal as well as Provo while growing up. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:54, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I am wondering if it might be justified to either include under publications or include seperately a listing of his significant talks. I would think this could include the title and in some cases a summary of every talk he has given at General Conference. Also some of his talks to what are now refered to as the Young Adult Devotional are very epic setting, especially his talk when he spoke against hanging out, for dating, and for a decrese in both the actual cost and more importantly the assigned social cost of dating. Some of his addresses on religious freedom would also probably bear inclusion hear. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:59, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I am in the progress of improving this article in the hopes that it can achieve good article or better. I am filling in missing information and finding citations for pieces of information that aren't cited. I am in dire need of citations for the section titled Scholarly research and notable opinions. I would definitely appreciate help from anyone who knows where the information about Oaks' work on the court cases came from. Skyes(BYU) ( talk) 21:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
An anonymous user changed the age of Oaks's father at death from thirty-three to thirty-seven. The RSC source, which I can access online, states that his father was thirty-six. Please mention here if another source is contradictory. Rachel Helps (BYU) ( talk) 17:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Hello again, everyone! After seeing the persistent efforts by one editor to insert the term "Mormon" in place of "LDS" in this article (which has been reverted in every instance by different editors, I thought I, as one not yet involved in that matter, would post this subject to clarify the issue. My thoughts on this are as follows: As observed in the reverts back to the term "LDS" demonstrate, that is correct per the entry for the Church and its' members in the Wikipedia Manual of Style. If anyone has a problem with the terminology approved by that MOS, then work should be done to gain consensus to change the MOS, not the terminology employed in the individual articles about subjects related to the Church. So that's the first problem I see with this issue. The second problem (only slightly less significant) is the one editor's insistence that "everyone knows [the Church and its' members] as Mormons." The established guidelines in the MOS section on the Church note that the term Mormonism (and therefore usage of the term "Mormon" to refer to members of the Church) generally refers to any one of the many religious offshoots that trace their origins back to Joseph Smith, and not just the "LDS Church" as it is known here on Wikipedia. But more than that, last year in August, current Church President Russell M. Nelson released updated guidelines specifying the proper usage of the name of the Church. Among the new guidelines was the idea that the terms "Mormon" or "Mormonism" should not be employed in mentions of the Church or its' members. For purposes of the articles about Church-related topics here on Wikipedia, that means, among other things, that the mention of the full and proper name of the Church in the first part of any article covering a Church-related subject (which, in this article, is done in the first sentence in the first paragraph) can be followed by the acceptable abbreviations, but that the term "Mormon" should not be employed in such cases. So by combining those guidelines with the Wikipedia Manual of Style, we arrive at the conclusion that replacing mentions to "the LDS Church" with references to "the Mormon Church" is both inaccurate and inappropriate. And either way, anyone who continues to attempt to make the change from the former term to the latter could be considered in violation of the 3-revert rule, which can in some cases lead to disciplinary measures being necessary. If anyone has any comments or questions on this, including a need for any clarification of anything I have said herein, that's why I wanted to start this subject, and we can dialogue about that here as needed. Thanks again, everyone! Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:29, 8 February 2019 (UTC)