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On 24 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Dalecarlian. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
There is some explanation necessary here: Dalecarlian is not a language, it is a group of dialects, whereas Elfdalian is a language in the sense that it has a standard form ( orthography and grammar) and a body of literature, whereas Dalecarlian is not standardized, except if you regard Elfdalian as a standardized form of Dalecarlian. It is a bit similar to Norwegian language that is not a standardized language, whereas Bokmål is. Ideally, this article should only list the dialects and their distribution and give a short outline of their common features, whereas the Elfdalian article should describe the language in more detail including phonology etc. Andreas (T) 12:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I have removed all references to the village of Rot and Rots skans, since Elfdalian is spoken north and upstream of these places, i.e. in Klitten, Brunnsberg, Åsen, Bunkris, Lövnäs, Nornäs etc. Luke ( talk) 20:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Just 1,500 speaking dalecarlian dialects. Is this figure relevant and reliable? -- Vedum ( talk) 11:09, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
The article says the dialects are mutually unintelligible with Swedish. That's not always the case. Elfdalian as a language of its own is definitely not mutually unintelligible with Swedish, just like Icelandic isn't either. -- 159.190.251.57 ( talk) 16:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
The current title of this article is inaccurate because what is being described is actually several dialects or languages, depending on your exact definitions. I would move it to Dalecarlian languages or Dalecarlian dialects, but can't decide on the better alternative, hence why I opened a discussion here. Glades12 ( talk) 09:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
I blanked a part of the morphology, as it seems to be either incorrectly translated or fully senseless: [1]. -- OosWesThoesBes ( talk) 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Feel like there should be a designated section for the history and origins of this dialect group. Perhaps where the writing system originated, related archaic languages it may/did stem from, and/or figured on speaking populations historically? Such as how long has it been spoken, where, by how many people. Falling-Cosmos ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. With little participation even after being relisted twice, a consensus simply hasn't formed to move the article at this time. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 02:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Dalecarlian language → Dalecarlian – Cleanup of Template:Disputed title, which is currently at WP:TfD. There has been some discussion about whether "language", "languages", "dialects", or "lects" is most appropriate. This would seem to me to be a perfectly cromulent way of cutting the Gordian Knot, especially considering that Dalecarlian already redirects here. Credit where credit is due: this was pointed out and suggested by Florian Blaschke. TompaDompa ( talk) 15:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Spekkios ( talk) 22:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
The source from Guus Kroonen doesn't support that the Dalecarlian language(s) are West Scandinavian languages. When reading carefully Kroonen maintains that exactly Elfdalian – not the Dalecarlian languages – takes a middle position between East Norse and West Norse ('Norse' synonym with 'Scandinavian' in this context), the only point where he stresses a West Norse feature, is when claiming that Elfdalian cannot have originated from Old Swedish. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 08:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect ISO 639:dlc and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 22#ISO 639:dlc until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay 💬 11:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
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On 24 October 2021, it was proposed that this article be moved to Dalecarlian. The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
There is some explanation necessary here: Dalecarlian is not a language, it is a group of dialects, whereas Elfdalian is a language in the sense that it has a standard form ( orthography and grammar) and a body of literature, whereas Dalecarlian is not standardized, except if you regard Elfdalian as a standardized form of Dalecarlian. It is a bit similar to Norwegian language that is not a standardized language, whereas Bokmål is. Ideally, this article should only list the dialects and their distribution and give a short outline of their common features, whereas the Elfdalian article should describe the language in more detail including phonology etc. Andreas (T) 12:39, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
I have removed all references to the village of Rot and Rots skans, since Elfdalian is spoken north and upstream of these places, i.e. in Klitten, Brunnsberg, Åsen, Bunkris, Lövnäs, Nornäs etc. Luke ( talk) 20:59, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Just 1,500 speaking dalecarlian dialects. Is this figure relevant and reliable? -- Vedum ( talk) 11:09, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
The article says the dialects are mutually unintelligible with Swedish. That's not always the case. Elfdalian as a language of its own is definitely not mutually unintelligible with Swedish, just like Icelandic isn't either. -- 159.190.251.57 ( talk) 16:10, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
The current title of this article is inaccurate because what is being described is actually several dialects or languages, depending on your exact definitions. I would move it to Dalecarlian languages or Dalecarlian dialects, but can't decide on the better alternative, hence why I opened a discussion here. Glades12 ( talk) 09:24, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
I blanked a part of the morphology, as it seems to be either incorrectly translated or fully senseless: [1]. -- OosWesThoesBes ( talk) 14:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
Feel like there should be a designated section for the history and origins of this dialect group. Perhaps where the writing system originated, related archaic languages it may/did stem from, and/or figured on speaking populations historically? Such as how long has it been spoken, where, by how many people. Falling-Cosmos ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:19, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. With little participation even after being relisted twice, a consensus simply hasn't formed to move the article at this time. ( closed by non-admin page mover) SkyWarrior 02:12, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Dalecarlian language → Dalecarlian – Cleanup of Template:Disputed title, which is currently at WP:TfD. There has been some discussion about whether "language", "languages", "dialects", or "lects" is most appropriate. This would seem to me to be a perfectly cromulent way of cutting the Gordian Knot, especially considering that Dalecarlian already redirects here. Credit where credit is due: this was pointed out and suggested by Florian Blaschke. TompaDompa ( talk) 15:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Spekkios ( talk) 22:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)— Relisting. —usernamekiran • sign the guestbook • (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
The source from Guus Kroonen doesn't support that the Dalecarlian language(s) are West Scandinavian languages. When reading carefully Kroonen maintains that exactly Elfdalian – not the Dalecarlian languages – takes a middle position between East Norse and West Norse ('Norse' synonym with 'Scandinavian' in this context), the only point where he stresses a West Norse feature, is when claiming that Elfdalian cannot have originated from Old Swedish. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 08:37, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect ISO 639:dlc and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 November 22#ISO 639:dlc until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jay 💬 11:13, 22 November 2022 (UTC)