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a phonetic transcription of Welsh names would be very nice to have!
Isn't holocaust a bit of a strong word for the end of the article?
This statement is incorrect and the link is most certainly incorrect:
"Dafydd ap Gruffudd married (sometime after 1265) Elizabeth de Ferrers, daughter of Robert Ferrers, earl of Derby. Elizabeth was the widow of William Marshal."
THE William Marhsal died in 1219 and was married to Isabel de Clare. His son, another William Marshal, was married at the time of his death in 1231 to King John's daughter, Eleanor Plantagenet, who later married Simon Montfort.
Deleted "Elizabeth was the widow of William Marshal" and incorrect link.
The manor of Folesham, Norfolk came into Dafydd ap Gruffudd's possesion through this marriage and he exchanged it with John Marshal for the manor of Norton, Northampton. (see Littere Wallie 139-140, 142-3). BrynLlywelyn 04:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Is he at all celebrated as a national hero in Wales today? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.162.94.173 (
talk)
06:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Dafydd was pronounced DAH-viTH, with the TH sounding like the TH in rather. Gruffudd is pronounced and spelled Griffith. -- 174.89.26.135 ( talk) 20:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
No mention of his role in the first Welsh war, also some nonsense about a trap for Lllwellyn the last. It was the battle of Irfon bridge. CJ DUB 14:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that, if DaG's father was named "Gruffudd", and his brother's surname was "ap Gruffudd", then DaG's surname should be listed as "ap Gruffudd" first, with "ap Gruffydd" given as a variant. Sectori ( talk) 11:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
What about Lloyd George? Removed. -- Joey Roe 17:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
To explain: Ralph Maud's article is responsible for the notion that Dafydd was born on 11 July 1238 (Maud, Ralph. 'David, the last Prince of Wales : the ten 'lost' months of Welsh history'. Transactions of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion (1968), 43-62), based on the assumption that the charter of 11 July 1252 was issued on his fourteenth birthday. It is not a bad bet, but it is hardly proven! Ynyrhesolaf ( talk) 19:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I have come across what may be the actual words of the judge:
he [Dafydd ap Gruffydd] was tried for treason in Shrewsbury and sentenced 'to be drawn to the gallows as a traitor to the king who made him a knight, to be hanged as the murderer of the gentleman taken in the Castle of Hawarden, to have his limbs burnt because he had profaned by assassination the solemnity of Christ's passion, and to have his quarters dispersed through the country because he had in different places compassed the death of his lord the king'.
- Cawthorne, Nigel (2006). "5 Hanging, Drawing and Quartering". Public Executions. London: Capella. p. 100. ISBN 1-84193-417-8.
Not sure if this quote belongs here, or in Hanged, drawn and quartered. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 08:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
AD Carr notes that the two churchmen supposedly implicated in Dafydd's capture protested their innocence (Welsh History Review 19:3 (1999)). The source quoted here is therefore incorrect in that respect. Also, the ref for Dafydd's hiding-place is not given. What is its source, aside from the unscholarly website given in the footnote? If that is the only source, it should surely be removed as OR. Ynyrhesolaf ( talk) 23:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
The text mentions them, but not the section concerned with issue. Is their fate known? -- NellieBly ( talk) 22:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Sesena or Serena?
Ståle ( talk) 08:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, just highlighting that if the yellow tagged issue with the references can be resolved, this article would be eligible for the selected anniversaries October 3, which features on the main page. Whizz40 ( talk) 19:45, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
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a phonetic transcription of Welsh names would be very nice to have!
Isn't holocaust a bit of a strong word for the end of the article?
This statement is incorrect and the link is most certainly incorrect:
"Dafydd ap Gruffudd married (sometime after 1265) Elizabeth de Ferrers, daughter of Robert Ferrers, earl of Derby. Elizabeth was the widow of William Marshal."
THE William Marhsal died in 1219 and was married to Isabel de Clare. His son, another William Marshal, was married at the time of his death in 1231 to King John's daughter, Eleanor Plantagenet, who later married Simon Montfort.
Deleted "Elizabeth was the widow of William Marshal" and incorrect link.
The manor of Folesham, Norfolk came into Dafydd ap Gruffudd's possesion through this marriage and he exchanged it with John Marshal for the manor of Norton, Northampton. (see Littere Wallie 139-140, 142-3). BrynLlywelyn 04:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
Is he at all celebrated as a national hero in Wales today? —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.162.94.173 (
talk)
06:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Dafydd was pronounced DAH-viTH, with the TH sounding like the TH in rather. Gruffudd is pronounced and spelled Griffith. -- 174.89.26.135 ( talk) 20:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
No mention of his role in the first Welsh war, also some nonsense about a trap for Lllwellyn the last. It was the battle of Irfon bridge. CJ DUB 14:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
It seems to me that, if DaG's father was named "Gruffudd", and his brother's surname was "ap Gruffudd", then DaG's surname should be listed as "ap Gruffudd" first, with "ap Gruffydd" given as a variant. Sectori ( talk) 11:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
What about Lloyd George? Removed. -- Joey Roe 17:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
To explain: Ralph Maud's article is responsible for the notion that Dafydd was born on 11 July 1238 (Maud, Ralph. 'David, the last Prince of Wales : the ten 'lost' months of Welsh history'. Transactions of the Honourable Society of Cymmrodorion (1968), 43-62), based on the assumption that the charter of 11 July 1252 was issued on his fourteenth birthday. It is not a bad bet, but it is hardly proven! Ynyrhesolaf ( talk) 19:54, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
I have come across what may be the actual words of the judge:
he [Dafydd ap Gruffydd] was tried for treason in Shrewsbury and sentenced 'to be drawn to the gallows as a traitor to the king who made him a knight, to be hanged as the murderer of the gentleman taken in the Castle of Hawarden, to have his limbs burnt because he had profaned by assassination the solemnity of Christ's passion, and to have his quarters dispersed through the country because he had in different places compassed the death of his lord the king'.
- Cawthorne, Nigel (2006). "5 Hanging, Drawing and Quartering". Public Executions. London: Capella. p. 100. ISBN 1-84193-417-8.
Not sure if this quote belongs here, or in Hanged, drawn and quartered. -- Redrose64 ( talk) 08:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
AD Carr notes that the two churchmen supposedly implicated in Dafydd's capture protested their innocence (Welsh History Review 19:3 (1999)). The source quoted here is therefore incorrect in that respect. Also, the ref for Dafydd's hiding-place is not given. What is its source, aside from the unscholarly website given in the footnote? If that is the only source, it should surely be removed as OR. Ynyrhesolaf ( talk) 23:53, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
The text mentions them, but not the section concerned with issue. Is their fate known? -- NellieBly ( talk) 22:17, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
Sesena or Serena?
Ståle ( talk) 08:33, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi, just highlighting that if the yellow tagged issue with the references can be resolved, this article would be eligible for the selected anniversaries October 3, which features on the main page. Whizz40 ( talk) 19:45, 11 October 2015 (UTC)