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I don't understand, why my contributions to the section Controversy were deleted as they are well sourced and the sources are given: FINMA, an official Swiss authority and a report of SRF, the official public service broadcaster, citing the words of the official prosecutor. SispotirruT ( talk) 20:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi I did an edit of this article, which I fnished 22:38 14 July 2023. But the controversy content was removed by this 'sock puppeter'
The following important information about Dadvan Yousuf in the controversey section is still missing in the article at the moment. Please implement it again:
The Swiss regulator FINMA concluded its proceedings against the Dohrnii Foundation and Dadvan Yousuf May 2023.[13] FINMA found that the Dohrnii Foundation, together with its founder, acted as a group and that they:
a) seriously violated supervisory law by unlawfully operating as a securities firm and
b) acted as financial intermediary without autorisation.[13]
According to FINMA Dadvan Yousuf accepted public deposits as a private individual without authorisation and furthermore did not comply with the cease-and-desist order during the investigation, but continued his activities.[13]
The foundation is currently being liquidated by the competent bankruptcy authority.[13]
Swiss Radio and Television SRF reported May 2023 that the public prosecutor's office in Bern has opened criminal proceedings against Dadvan Yousuf. He is suspected of professional fraud. He is alleged to have embezzled money. The public prosecutor's office of the canton of Berne had already started preliminary investigations in the case of Dadvan Yousuf. After further investigations, it has formally opened a criminal investigation on May 3 2023. Yousuf is suspected of "multiple commercial fraud, in part possibly embezzlement, in part possibly unfaithful business management." [14]
[13] https://www.finma.ch/en/news/2023/05/20230517-mm-dohrnii-stiftung/ [14] https://www.srf.ch/news/wirtschaft/krypto-king-strafuntersuchung-gegen-dadvan-yousuf SispotirruT ( talk) 07:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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-Enforcement proceedings by FINMA were never for money laundering but for supervisory provisions - FINMA is exclusively responsible for supervisory law and has closed enforcement proceedings in June 2023. -Authorities in Bern did not open criminal investigation because of money laundering, but there were preliminary investigations of the public prosecutor's office because of MROS reports of the banks because of money laundering. The criminal investigation of the Canton of Berne is about unfaithful business management. 94.200.195.18 ( talk) 09:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
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The following three paragraphs: 1. "Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi businessman. He made headlines in Switzerland as claimed the youngest self-made billionaire through bitcoin investments.[1][2]" 2. "As of 2023, he is currently under criminal investigations, primarily for money laundering and fraud activities by the Public prosecutors office of the Canton of Bern.[3][4] His Dornii Foundation is being investigated by the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) for unauthorized activities, such as operating without a license. The mandated investigator is the Swiss law firm Vischer AG.[5][6][7]" 3. "In early 2023, it became public that Yousuf may have financial issues, due to the ongoing investigations of the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA). It was reported that he has several unpaid debts, such as hotel invoices in extent of 80,000 Swiss Francs (approximately $85k) for stays at the DolderGrand in Zurich, Switzerland. Additionally there are outstanding collections of several service providers such as of a Rolls-Royceealership, City Judge Office, cab companies. Yousuf argued that the FINMA blocked his accounts which resulted in payment difficulties for him.[27][28]"
1. Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi businessman who has made headlines in Switzerland for his Bitcoin investments. According to reports in the Blick newspaper in Switzerland, he has been dubbed as the youngest self-made billionaire in Switzerland. The claim in the Wikipedia article that Dadvan Yousuf called himself a billionaire is accordingly not true but was the Blick.ch magazine. 2. In 2023, Yousuf was the subject of investigations by various authorities. The Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) conducted an enforcement procedure against the Dohrnii Foundation, which he had established. In the process, the foundation and its founder were found to have engaged in unauthorized business activities in the crypto sector without having the required authorization from FINMA. The Dohrnii Foundation was subsequently liquidated. Yousuf was reprimanded by FINMA for unauthorized deposits from the public and unauthorized activities as a financial intermediary. FINMA's decision has since become final and cannot be appealed.
3. The section is based on only one source, InsideParadeplatz. Wikipedia places great emphasis on using reliable and independent sources to ensure that the content is factual and accurate. Inside Paradeplatz is not an accredited online medium and has published contradictory, false or incorrect statements and articles very often in the past. Currently InsideParadeplatz is in various legal disputes, as the financial blog itself also reports. If the mentioned section is based on only one source, this is considered insufficient evidence to comply with Wikipedia guidelines.
[Source: < https://www.20min.ch/story/strafuntersuchung-wegen-betrug-gegen-krypto-king-dadvan-yousuf-eroeffnet-695923644434>] [Source: < https://www.nau.ch/news/wirtschaft/finma-rugt-krypto-stiftung-und-deren-grunder-66496936>] [Source: < https://insideparadeplatz.ch/2022/12/19/cs-geht-aufs-ganze-monster-klage-gegen-ip/>] [Source: < https://www.persoenlich.com/medien/credit-suisse-halt-an-der-klage-fest>] [Source: < https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/pfeifen-und-choleriker-warum-die-credit-suisse-gegen-einen-blogger-vorgeht-287390316034>] 94.200.195.18 ( talk) 13:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC) References
Regards, Spintendo 17:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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I was contacted by someone who represents Dadvan Yousuf and this person asked me to clarify issues that he evidently has with this article. I have no formal, legal, financial, institutional, etc. relationship with him or anyone in his camp. Can someone help me understand what the content issue is here? (Note that the sockpuppeting issue is clearly a problem and not one that I am trying to probe.) ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 10:38, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone,
I want to bring your attention to a matter regarding this article. More than a year ago, I made a couple of minor edits to this article since I reside in Switzerland and the subject is a controversial figure in the media.
Today, on August 10, 2023, an anonymous user on the Teahouse topic ("Contradictory statements in article") alerted me to revisit this article and ensure its accuracy.
Consequently, I have communicated with another user @ Qcne who has been involved in the discussion. I've told him to review the current information in the article and update it if necessary.
I've requested @ Qcne to work closely with me to verify and update the information in the article. As a starting point, I've noticed that some information appears to be missing. I will begin conducting research to address this.
Thank you for your attention and cooperation. VioKleraBam ( talk) 13:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi all
I have hopefully cleaned up the article to acceptable standards, after all the preceding drama with the sockpuppets. I have:
- re-added a line about the controversy in the article lead.
- removed education details which was lots of primary sources from an interview, and did not seem relevant.
- cleaned up the sources for the 'billionaire' statement.
- cleaned up the Forbes 30under30 and Foundation statements to make them less promotional.
- massive re-write of the controversy section sticking just to the facts and updating it with the latest information.
Would appreciate a lookover by you, @Lavalizard101. Let me know if it reads better? Qcne (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Investigations are mentioned repeatedly in the first section & under Career.
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As an uninvolved administrator, I've placed this article under indefinite ECP under WP:GS/Crypto due to what looks very like extensive commercially-motivated sockpuppetry - David Gerard ( talk) 13:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please change "In 2004, the family was granted refugee and moved to Ipsach." to "In 2004, the family was granted refugee status and moved to Ipsach." Zitronengelb ( talk) 08:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Here is the link to the source 217.165.18.206 ( talk) 21:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Here is what
Wikipedia:WikiProject Climbing/Article recommendations says about this: Editors should be cautious of modern climbers of eight-thousanders (especially normal routes on Mount Everest, Cho Oyu, and Makalu), which are now achievable by ambitious tourists with $50,000, but little climbing skills. These ascents are no longer covered in climbing media per above, although they are often covered in blogs run by touring companies to promote their guiding business to eight-thousanders.
There has been no coverage of this person's ascent of Mount Everest in any legitimate mountaineering publication because it is of no interest to people who are serious about mountaineering. The coverage of this climb in cryptocurrency publications is duplicative, promotional and repetitive, and is obviously generated by press releases and self-promotional public relations efforts by Yousuf himself. There is literally zero original reporting because cryptocurrency publications have zero interest in reporting on actual mountaineering accomplishments.
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Hey Talk, Yousuf just became the first iraqi & Kurd on Everest FYI. 95.170.192.45 ( talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Yousuf became first Iraqi on Everest. How can i add this information? Dont know how Wikipedia work. Iraqi77255 ( talk) 08:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Change: Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi cryptocurrency investor and businessman whose early bitcoin investments made him the youngest self-made billionaire in Switzerland. Yousuf and his companies have been the subject of a number of investigations into financial impropriety.
To: Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi cryptocurrency investor and businessman whose early bitcoin investments made him the youngest self-made billionaire in Switzerland. Yousuf and his companies have been the subject of a number of investigations into financial impropriety. He is the first Iraqi Man to climb the summit of the Mount Everest, on May 20, 2024.
((I added, inspired by the wording from Mercedes Sahores' article, that Yousuf was the first Iraqi to conquer Everest. This fact has been verified in numerous Arabic and english media - Source 1, Source 2, Source 3 Source 4.)) Dubaiianer3 ( talk) 12:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
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I don't understand, why my contributions to the section Controversy were deleted as they are well sourced and the sources are given: FINMA, an official Swiss authority and a report of SRF, the official public service broadcaster, citing the words of the official prosecutor. SispotirruT ( talk) 20:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Hi I did an edit of this article, which I fnished 22:38 14 July 2023. But the controversy content was removed by this 'sock puppeter'
The following important information about Dadvan Yousuf in the controversey section is still missing in the article at the moment. Please implement it again:
The Swiss regulator FINMA concluded its proceedings against the Dohrnii Foundation and Dadvan Yousuf May 2023.[13] FINMA found that the Dohrnii Foundation, together with its founder, acted as a group and that they:
a) seriously violated supervisory law by unlawfully operating as a securities firm and
b) acted as financial intermediary without autorisation.[13]
According to FINMA Dadvan Yousuf accepted public deposits as a private individual without authorisation and furthermore did not comply with the cease-and-desist order during the investigation, but continued his activities.[13]
The foundation is currently being liquidated by the competent bankruptcy authority.[13]
Swiss Radio and Television SRF reported May 2023 that the public prosecutor's office in Bern has opened criminal proceedings against Dadvan Yousuf. He is suspected of professional fraud. He is alleged to have embezzled money. The public prosecutor's office of the canton of Berne had already started preliminary investigations in the case of Dadvan Yousuf. After further investigations, it has formally opened a criminal investigation on May 3 2023. Yousuf is suspected of "multiple commercial fraud, in part possibly embezzlement, in part possibly unfaithful business management." [14]
[13] https://www.finma.ch/en/news/2023/05/20230517-mm-dohrnii-stiftung/ [14] https://www.srf.ch/news/wirtschaft/krypto-king-strafuntersuchung-gegen-dadvan-yousuf SispotirruT ( talk) 07:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
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template applies when using the {{
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template (see discussion marked "Reply 28-JUL-2023" below, for more information). Regards,
Spintendo
23:42, 30 July 2023 (UTC)section started by a block evading proxy user
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-Enforcement proceedings by FINMA were never for money laundering but for supervisory provisions - FINMA is exclusively responsible for supervisory law and has closed enforcement proceedings in June 2023. -Authorities in Bern did not open criminal investigation because of money laundering, but there were preliminary investigations of the public prosecutor's office because of MROS reports of the banks because of money laundering. The criminal investigation of the Canton of Berne is about unfaithful business management. 94.200.195.18 ( talk) 09:58, 28 July 2023 (UTC) |
section started by a block evading proxy user
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The following three paragraphs: 1. "Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi businessman. He made headlines in Switzerland as claimed the youngest self-made billionaire through bitcoin investments.[1][2]" 2. "As of 2023, he is currently under criminal investigations, primarily for money laundering and fraud activities by the Public prosecutors office of the Canton of Bern.[3][4] His Dornii Foundation is being investigated by the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) for unauthorized activities, such as operating without a license. The mandated investigator is the Swiss law firm Vischer AG.[5][6][7]" 3. "In early 2023, it became public that Yousuf may have financial issues, due to the ongoing investigations of the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA). It was reported that he has several unpaid debts, such as hotel invoices in extent of 80,000 Swiss Francs (approximately $85k) for stays at the DolderGrand in Zurich, Switzerland. Additionally there are outstanding collections of several service providers such as of a Rolls-Royceealership, City Judge Office, cab companies. Yousuf argued that the FINMA blocked his accounts which resulted in payment difficulties for him.[27][28]"
1. Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi businessman who has made headlines in Switzerland for his Bitcoin investments. According to reports in the Blick newspaper in Switzerland, he has been dubbed as the youngest self-made billionaire in Switzerland. The claim in the Wikipedia article that Dadvan Yousuf called himself a billionaire is accordingly not true but was the Blick.ch magazine. 2. In 2023, Yousuf was the subject of investigations by various authorities. The Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) conducted an enforcement procedure against the Dohrnii Foundation, which he had established. In the process, the foundation and its founder were found to have engaged in unauthorized business activities in the crypto sector without having the required authorization from FINMA. The Dohrnii Foundation was subsequently liquidated. Yousuf was reprimanded by FINMA for unauthorized deposits from the public and unauthorized activities as a financial intermediary. FINMA's decision has since become final and cannot be appealed.
3. The section is based on only one source, InsideParadeplatz. Wikipedia places great emphasis on using reliable and independent sources to ensure that the content is factual and accurate. Inside Paradeplatz is not an accredited online medium and has published contradictory, false or incorrect statements and articles very often in the past. Currently InsideParadeplatz is in various legal disputes, as the financial blog itself also reports. If the mentioned section is based on only one source, this is considered insufficient evidence to comply with Wikipedia guidelines.
[Source: < https://www.20min.ch/story/strafuntersuchung-wegen-betrug-gegen-krypto-king-dadvan-yousuf-eroeffnet-695923644434>] [Source: < https://www.nau.ch/news/wirtschaft/finma-rugt-krypto-stiftung-und-deren-grunder-66496936>] [Source: < https://insideparadeplatz.ch/2022/12/19/cs-geht-aufs-ganze-monster-klage-gegen-ip/>] [Source: < https://www.persoenlich.com/medien/credit-suisse-halt-an-der-klage-fest>] [Source: < https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/pfeifen-und-choleriker-warum-die-credit-suisse-gegen-einen-blogger-vorgeht-287390316034>] 94.200.195.18 ( talk) 13:51, 28 July 2023 (UTC) References
Regards, Spintendo 17:46, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
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I was contacted by someone who represents Dadvan Yousuf and this person asked me to clarify issues that he evidently has with this article. I have no formal, legal, financial, institutional, etc. relationship with him or anyone in his camp. Can someone help me understand what the content issue is here? (Note that the sockpuppeting issue is clearly a problem and not one that I am trying to probe.) ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 10:38, 6 August 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone,
I want to bring your attention to a matter regarding this article. More than a year ago, I made a couple of minor edits to this article since I reside in Switzerland and the subject is a controversial figure in the media.
Today, on August 10, 2023, an anonymous user on the Teahouse topic ("Contradictory statements in article") alerted me to revisit this article and ensure its accuracy.
Consequently, I have communicated with another user @ Qcne who has been involved in the discussion. I've told him to review the current information in the article and update it if necessary.
I've requested @ Qcne to work closely with me to verify and update the information in the article. As a starting point, I've noticed that some information appears to be missing. I will begin conducting research to address this.
Thank you for your attention and cooperation. VioKleraBam ( talk) 13:42, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Hi all
I have hopefully cleaned up the article to acceptable standards, after all the preceding drama with the sockpuppets. I have:
- re-added a line about the controversy in the article lead.
- removed education details which was lots of primary sources from an interview, and did not seem relevant.
- cleaned up the sources for the 'billionaire' statement.
- cleaned up the Forbes 30under30 and Foundation statements to make them less promotional.
- massive re-write of the controversy section sticking just to the facts and updating it with the latest information.
Would appreciate a lookover by you, @Lavalizard101. Let me know if it reads better? Qcne (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
Investigations are mentioned repeatedly in the first section & under Career.
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Article is provided with appropriate sources. If you have a different opinion, please consult the talk page 176.204.76.111 ( talk) 02:52, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
As an uninvolved administrator, I've placed this article under indefinite ECP under WP:GS/Crypto due to what looks very like extensive commercially-motivated sockpuppetry - David Gerard ( talk) 13:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Please change "In 2004, the family was granted refugee and moved to Ipsach." to "In 2004, the family was granted refugee status and moved to Ipsach." Zitronengelb ( talk) 08:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
Here is the link to the source 217.165.18.206 ( talk) 21:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Here is what
Wikipedia:WikiProject Climbing/Article recommendations says about this: Editors should be cautious of modern climbers of eight-thousanders (especially normal routes on Mount Everest, Cho Oyu, and Makalu), which are now achievable by ambitious tourists with $50,000, but little climbing skills. These ascents are no longer covered in climbing media per above, although they are often covered in blogs run by touring companies to promote their guiding business to eight-thousanders.
There has been no coverage of this person's ascent of Mount Everest in any legitimate mountaineering publication because it is of no interest to people who are serious about mountaineering. The coverage of this climb in cryptocurrency publications is duplicative, promotional and repetitive, and is obviously generated by press releases and self-promotional public relations efforts by Yousuf himself. There is literally zero original reporting because cryptocurrency publications have zero interest in reporting on actual mountaineering accomplishments.
Cullen328 (
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02:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Hey Talk, Yousuf just became the first iraqi & Kurd on Everest FYI. 95.170.192.45 ( talk) 18:44, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Yousuf became first Iraqi on Everest. How can i add this information? Dont know how Wikipedia work. Iraqi77255 ( talk) 08:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Change: Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi cryptocurrency investor and businessman whose early bitcoin investments made him the youngest self-made billionaire in Switzerland. Yousuf and his companies have been the subject of a number of investigations into financial impropriety.
To: Dadvan Ismat Yousuf Yousuf (born April 9, 2000) is an Iraqi cryptocurrency investor and businessman whose early bitcoin investments made him the youngest self-made billionaire in Switzerland. Yousuf and his companies have been the subject of a number of investigations into financial impropriety. He is the first Iraqi Man to climb the summit of the Mount Everest, on May 20, 2024.
((I added, inspired by the wording from Mercedes Sahores' article, that Yousuf was the first Iraqi to conquer Everest. This fact has been verified in numerous Arabic and english media - Source 1, Source 2, Source 3 Source 4.)) Dubaiianer3 ( talk) 12:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)