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I'm pretty terrified of the idea of unverifiable, unauditable elections so someone more pro-DRE's should go through and NPOV things. I tried my best to present the good side of DRE's Zenyu 16:51, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
Any discussion of DRE security is incomplete without mentioning the Princeton virus that demonstrated changing vote counts on the version of Diebold DREs used in some 2000-2002 US elections. [1]
Limiting compromise to source code gives the misleading impression that keeping the source code secure (and not public) will keep the DRE secure. The condition ""If the security of the DRE source code software is compromised"" could be more completely rephrased as: ""If the DRE is compromised (such as through hacks inserted in the source code, replacement of any software component, loading a computer virus, remote access via infra-red, bluetouth, wifi, modem, etc. or direct access to the hardware)"". -- Dan Oetting 70.59.60.176 16:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Sydney, Australia. Australia DOES NOT use any DRE or other voting machines - in fact no where in the whole of Australia that I'm aware of. It could be there electronic tallying occurs to count the ballot papers, however manual recount is possible and occurs in some cases. The voting system is administered by a Federal body, the Australian Electoral Commission at http://www.aec.gov.au/, who ensure the process is accurate, fair and non-partisan. While there are occasional allegations of vote fraud, the system enjoys the respect of a large majority of Australians.
Voting machine is really talking about DRE voting machines and not other types like lever machines or such. Since the Voting machine page is largely sub-standard, if there are any iotas of goodness, they should be merged here, no? -- Joebeone ( Talk) 23:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Yikes. It looks like I wrote over some of your edits when I was trying to add <ref> tags. Hopefully, I put things back where they should have been. Sorry about that. Is it just me or does there seem to be something wrong with the MediaWiki software today? -- Joebeone ( Talk) 22:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
What’s the general consensus here on what’s appropriate in the external links section?
Personally I don’t see how these things are relevant. What do you think? Electiontechnology 09:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I moved some information to the Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail page and added a "See" link to the main article. I also expanded it. I also added some more audit related information. I left he Dr. Mercuri info because it was directly related, but the crytography (Chaum, VoteHere...) were moved. I think they server a greater purpose. I really think the Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail is in need of an update. There has been a lot of new information relating to that topic recently. Electiontechnology 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The article gives no indication of when DRE voting machines were first developed, where and when they were first deployed, etc. - Jmabel | Talk 19:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I heard a news story yesterday to the effect that the N.I.S.T. had determined direct recording machines should be de-certified altogether, and that the voter verified paper trail (a roll of paper showing the votes) should also be eliminated in favor of a paper ballot (presumably printed by the machine and checked by the voter) due to numerous strange vote total events in recent elections. Does anyone have the official report for incorporation here? Edison 19:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 16:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 00:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 16:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 22:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Taintain 23:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 23:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC) ==Caltech Study=] this is what the caltech study says:
http://www.vote.caltech.edu/media/documents/vtp_wp21v2.3.pdf RESIDUAL VOTE IN THE 2004 ELECTION, p.15
and this was in the article:
i removed it because i couldn't see any reasonable way to make that part useful for this article.
i undid the merge of Electiontechnology into Electronic voting because:
-- Taintain 10:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Taintain 20:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It has been proposed that this article "DRE voting machine" be merged into Electronic voting. The primary two reasons Wikipedia policy recommends for merging pages are 1:"There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject and having the same scope." and 2: "There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject and having the same scope." Every thought, point, comment and image that exists in the DRE article exists in the Electronic voting article (#1 check). In addition to Electronic voting, the articles for Voting machine and Vote counting system cover the same scope. (#2 check) Please discuss and we will try to form consensus. Thank you. -- Electiontechnology 17:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
If you disagree with the merger, please suggest some alternative so we don't have a completely duplicate article.
Just removed the merge proposal since nobody agreed with it in 4 months.-- Taintain ( talk) 08:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
DRE locations frequently submit results later than optical scan locations. Please provide a citation for this statement based on evidence, rather than an uncorroborated assertion coming from the elections industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bev Harris ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi all, as a researcher in this area, it strikes me that this page is incomplete, often incoherent and biased specifically towards a gracious view of DRE systems, which have been largely discredited. I'm not sure I can spend the time fixing it, but I can offer some thoughts if someone is interested in working on it. -- Joebeone ( Talk) 14:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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The "Problems with DRE voting machines" has an uncited and improperly quoted quote from Sam Browne. Moreover, I can't actually find any relevant Google search results except for this article when searching online as well.
The section should be edited or removed, I will do it myself eventually if no one jumps on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:148:1F00:4000:7888:519E:75FE:9F36 ( talk) 01:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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I'm pretty terrified of the idea of unverifiable, unauditable elections so someone more pro-DRE's should go through and NPOV things. I tried my best to present the good side of DRE's Zenyu 16:51, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)
Any discussion of DRE security is incomplete without mentioning the Princeton virus that demonstrated changing vote counts on the version of Diebold DREs used in some 2000-2002 US elections. [1]
Limiting compromise to source code gives the misleading impression that keeping the source code secure (and not public) will keep the DRE secure. The condition ""If the security of the DRE source code software is compromised"" could be more completely rephrased as: ""If the DRE is compromised (such as through hacks inserted in the source code, replacement of any software component, loading a computer virus, remote access via infra-red, bluetouth, wifi, modem, etc. or direct access to the hardware)"". -- Dan Oetting 70.59.60.176 16:10, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Sydney, Australia. Australia DOES NOT use any DRE or other voting machines - in fact no where in the whole of Australia that I'm aware of. It could be there electronic tallying occurs to count the ballot papers, however manual recount is possible and occurs in some cases. The voting system is administered by a Federal body, the Australian Electoral Commission at http://www.aec.gov.au/, who ensure the process is accurate, fair and non-partisan. While there are occasional allegations of vote fraud, the system enjoys the respect of a large majority of Australians.
Voting machine is really talking about DRE voting machines and not other types like lever machines or such. Since the Voting machine page is largely sub-standard, if there are any iotas of goodness, they should be merged here, no? -- Joebeone ( Talk) 23:04, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
Yikes. It looks like I wrote over some of your edits when I was trying to add <ref> tags. Hopefully, I put things back where they should have been. Sorry about that. Is it just me or does there seem to be something wrong with the MediaWiki software today? -- Joebeone ( Talk) 22:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
What’s the general consensus here on what’s appropriate in the external links section?
Personally I don’t see how these things are relevant. What do you think? Electiontechnology 09:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I moved some information to the Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail page and added a "See" link to the main article. I also expanded it. I also added some more audit related information. I left he Dr. Mercuri info because it was directly related, but the crytography (Chaum, VoteHere...) were moved. I think they server a greater purpose. I really think the Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail is in need of an update. There has been a lot of new information relating to that topic recently. Electiontechnology 21:28, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
The article gives no indication of when DRE voting machines were first developed, where and when they were first deployed, etc. - Jmabel | Talk 19:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I heard a news story yesterday to the effect that the N.I.S.T. had determined direct recording machines should be de-certified altogether, and that the voter verified paper trail (a roll of paper showing the votes) should also be eliminated in favor of a paper ballot (presumably printed by the machine and checked by the voter) due to numerous strange vote total events in recent elections. Does anyone have the official report for incorporation here? Edison 19:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 16:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 00:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 16:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 22:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Taintain 23:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
-- Electiontechnology 23:53, 15 February 2007 (UTC) ==Caltech Study=] this is what the caltech study says:
http://www.vote.caltech.edu/media/documents/vtp_wp21v2.3.pdf RESIDUAL VOTE IN THE 2004 ELECTION, p.15
and this was in the article:
i removed it because i couldn't see any reasonable way to make that part useful for this article.
i undid the merge of Electiontechnology into Electronic voting because:
-- Taintain 10:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Taintain 20:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
It has been proposed that this article "DRE voting machine" be merged into Electronic voting. The primary two reasons Wikipedia policy recommends for merging pages are 1:"There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject and having the same scope." and 2: "There are two or more pages on exactly the same subject and having the same scope." Every thought, point, comment and image that exists in the DRE article exists in the Electronic voting article (#1 check). In addition to Electronic voting, the articles for Voting machine and Vote counting system cover the same scope. (#2 check) Please discuss and we will try to form consensus. Thank you. -- Electiontechnology 17:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
If you disagree with the merger, please suggest some alternative so we don't have a completely duplicate article.
Just removed the merge proposal since nobody agreed with it in 4 months.-- Taintain ( talk) 08:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
DRE locations frequently submit results later than optical scan locations. Please provide a citation for this statement based on evidence, rather than an uncorroborated assertion coming from the elections industry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bev Harris ( talk • contribs) 07:15, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi all, as a researcher in this area, it strikes me that this page is incomplete, often incoherent and biased specifically towards a gracious view of DRE systems, which have been largely discredited. I'm not sure I can spend the time fixing it, but I can offer some thoughts if someone is interested in working on it. -- Joebeone ( Talk) 14:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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The "Problems with DRE voting machines" has an uncited and improperly quoted quote from Sam Browne. Moreover, I can't actually find any relevant Google search results except for this article when searching online as well.
The section should be edited or removed, I will do it myself eventually if no one jumps on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2610:148:1F00:4000:7888:519E:75FE:9F36 ( talk) 01:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)