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As Dooms Day349 seems to have been bold in turning into List of Dragonlance modules into something others did not want, and his article better seemed to fit the name of that article, I have recreated the article here at one of the suggested names before we reached total concensus for a name. He also added Template:Dragonlance-stub when the article I believe is far beyond a stub now as moved across here. Atleast some of the participants of Project Dragonlance seem to want to downplay the gaming aspect of the Dragonlance series against the novels, which is fine if that is how they want to run their project, however I believe the people who worked ion this material are interested in D&D modules, including the dragonlance ones, as gaming accesories. Possibly we should create our own D&D module project? - Waza 22:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
This is really two suggestions I have, but the decision on one will affect the other.
- Waza 03:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I'd go for "DL series of Dungeons & Dragons modules". That gives a clear indication of what the article contains without being overly long, and we can always create redirects for other vaguely likely looking titles. But I don't care that much: it's the contents of the article that's important, not the title. Cheers -- Pak21 10:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Appears concensus is this article is just about the DL and not the other DL(x) articles. What I like about Pak21's suggestred title is is is clearly indicative. Though I do feel it is somewhat too long. Also it is some what ambiguos as DL series mean DL only or does it include DLA, DLE etc. My feeling is at the moment I am leaning towards Dragonlance Saga, not because Acaeum uses it though that is good supporting evidence. Rather because that is what the series itself seems to most frequently refer to itself as (on covers of 10 of the 14 modules). Yes this doesn't establish a model for naming, other than series with suitable descriptive names should use that name not the formula of "whatever is decided later". I don't think there is any rush to decide a name, now there is at least agreement on what the article is this can be finalised latter (but not too long as we definately want to get rid of "List of") - Waza 11:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
After doing some research to try and write a good into I am dropping the idea of Dragonlance Saga, however I would still like to avoid the bracket disambiguation style if we can. How about DL Dragonlance modules, it retains the info from PF suggestion and is in the style of Pak21's suggestion (but shorter). It allows for translation to other module series (we can substitue Ravenloft, or Dark Sun, etc or even just AD&D or D&D for generic series). It would also mean Dragonlance modules could become either a disambiguation page or a catch all for misc Dragonlance modules whose series don't have their own articles. - Waza 02:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Let's make a list of all the possibilities. I'm doing this during a commercial break, so I'm sure I missed some, but let's just build the list up with every possible good name. Maybe that will help. - Peregrine Fisher 04:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems like if we put something in front of "Dragonlance," like DL Dragonlance modules, it would be most consistent to put it in front of all of them. I'd like to avoid this because I think names like Aerie of the Slave Lords would be really cool. On the other hand, it may be more correct. I looked at my copy of Q1, and its legal title seems to be "Dungeon Module Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits." I don't know if the later ones kept the "Dungeon Module" part, but the real name of DL6 is probably "DL6 Dragons of Ice" or "Dungeon Module DL6 Dragons of Ice." - Peregrine Fisher 04:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Dragonlance Official Game Adventure ------------------------- Dragons of Ice Douglas Niles -------------------------
Waza, you seem to know more about this "Project Overlord" stuff than me, so I'm thinking you may want to integrate what I found here. It has some stuff we could summarize, mostly "Dragonlance was invented by Hickman, based illegally off the Dungeons and Dragons game. Instead of suing him for copyright infringement, TSR hired him and started producing the Dragonlance module series, which quickly became nationally popular." I'm not sure if this is the "three modules featuring evil dragons," so if you know, that would help with integrating it. - Peregrine Fisher 05:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should remove the infoboxes, and replace them with something else. Depending on your monitor resolution and whether its a wide screen, this page won't look right. Maybe something like:
What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher 17:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I made those three parameters optional, we can look at it and see if we like it. I'm not sure which way is best, but this module series seems to be our testbed for what they should all look like, so lets just look at the various ways. - Peregrine Fisher 21:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
DoomsDay349 it is disappointing that you see laziness (could not be bothered reading the whole discusson) as an exuse not to pay attention to the opionions of others and have taken this article off in a totally different direction than what was intended. The one thing in favour of your direction is that it does suit the title of the article better than what was there before. I was hoping to await concensus on an article name before relocating the article we agreed we were trying to write (all this is discussed int he part you refuse to read), but instead I will do it now taking the info we want and linking from the relevant section of your article. You can then do what you want with this article - Waza 22:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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I really hope this does not turn into an edit war but I am very tempted to revert DoomsDay349 last edit to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dragonlance_modules_%28DL_series%29&oldid=117387023. He appears to be determined to hobble this article despite my responding to him on the main article talk page as requested above. That the information already exists in a topic on another page is no reason to delete it here considering
I am walking away from my PC for a while now but I heope this can be resolved rather than by an edit war. - Waza 23:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out who painted what. This page says Larry Elmore did Deceit, Ice, Light, Mystery, and maybe Flame. Another identifies Keith Parkinson for Desolation. It would be nice to know for all of them. I'd like to add cover and interior credits to each. - Peregrine Fisher 00:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I like the module infoboxes, but as I said earlier, they aren't going to look right on certain monitors at certain resolutions. It looks pretty good at 1024x768 with Internet Explorer, which is the most common resolution (56%) and the most common browser (80%). Now, wikipedians use a lot of high resolutions combined with Firefox (which uses a small font or something), and it isn't going to look right in that situation. If we ever wanted to get this to good article status, it's going to have to look good to them as well. So, we either get rid of the infoboxes, or we add information to the left (text) side of each entry. Longer summaries would be good, but that would require actually reading each module, which is a bit farther than I'm willing to go. The easiest thing that jumps to my mind is a "Credits" section. It's encyclopedic, and if it's bulleted, will take add a lot height. I'll add one to the first module to see if we like it, if we don't, I don't mind if its removed or reformatted. - Peregrine Fisher 05:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion on the numbers. The original run of the Dragonlance storyline was 14 modules (12 adventures plus DL5 sourcebook and DL11 wargame/campaign accesory.) This was a complete series that was designed as the full story of the War of the Lance punblished from 1984 to 1986. DL15 & DL16 were both published in 1988 and are anthologies with short adventures related to this storyline. After something of a gap. They were not originally planned as part of the series. Though at various times the series was planned to extend to 15 or 16 modules during it's publication, that was not these two modules but just a changed repackaging of the story told in DL1-14. For this reason I will revert last changes to that state 16 modules between 1984 and 1986. I guess it could say 14 module story plus 2 extra's between 84 and 88, but that would be just as easy to change to from the reverted.
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As Dooms Day349 seems to have been bold in turning into List of Dragonlance modules into something others did not want, and his article better seemed to fit the name of that article, I have recreated the article here at one of the suggested names before we reached total concensus for a name. He also added Template:Dragonlance-stub when the article I believe is far beyond a stub now as moved across here. Atleast some of the participants of Project Dragonlance seem to want to downplay the gaming aspect of the Dragonlance series against the novels, which is fine if that is how they want to run their project, however I believe the people who worked ion this material are interested in D&D modules, including the dragonlance ones, as gaming accesories. Possibly we should create our own D&D module project? - Waza 22:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
This is really two suggestions I have, but the decision on one will affect the other.
- Waza 03:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I'd go for "DL series of Dungeons & Dragons modules". That gives a clear indication of what the article contains without being overly long, and we can always create redirects for other vaguely likely looking titles. But I don't care that much: it's the contents of the article that's important, not the title. Cheers -- Pak21 10:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Appears concensus is this article is just about the DL and not the other DL(x) articles. What I like about Pak21's suggestred title is is is clearly indicative. Though I do feel it is somewhat too long. Also it is some what ambiguos as DL series mean DL only or does it include DLA, DLE etc. My feeling is at the moment I am leaning towards Dragonlance Saga, not because Acaeum uses it though that is good supporting evidence. Rather because that is what the series itself seems to most frequently refer to itself as (on covers of 10 of the 14 modules). Yes this doesn't establish a model for naming, other than series with suitable descriptive names should use that name not the formula of "whatever is decided later". I don't think there is any rush to decide a name, now there is at least agreement on what the article is this can be finalised latter (but not too long as we definately want to get rid of "List of") - Waza 11:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
After doing some research to try and write a good into I am dropping the idea of Dragonlance Saga, however I would still like to avoid the bracket disambiguation style if we can. How about DL Dragonlance modules, it retains the info from PF suggestion and is in the style of Pak21's suggestion (but shorter). It allows for translation to other module series (we can substitue Ravenloft, or Dark Sun, etc or even just AD&D or D&D for generic series). It would also mean Dragonlance modules could become either a disambiguation page or a catch all for misc Dragonlance modules whose series don't have their own articles. - Waza 02:19, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Let's make a list of all the possibilities. I'm doing this during a commercial break, so I'm sure I missed some, but let's just build the list up with every possible good name. Maybe that will help. - Peregrine Fisher 04:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
It seems like if we put something in front of "Dragonlance," like DL Dragonlance modules, it would be most consistent to put it in front of all of them. I'd like to avoid this because I think names like Aerie of the Slave Lords would be really cool. On the other hand, it may be more correct. I looked at my copy of Q1, and its legal title seems to be "Dungeon Module Q1 Queen of the Demonweb Pits." I don't know if the later ones kept the "Dungeon Module" part, but the real name of DL6 is probably "DL6 Dragons of Ice" or "Dungeon Module DL6 Dragons of Ice." - Peregrine Fisher 04:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Dragonlance Official Game Adventure ------------------------- Dragons of Ice Douglas Niles -------------------------
Waza, you seem to know more about this "Project Overlord" stuff than me, so I'm thinking you may want to integrate what I found here. It has some stuff we could summarize, mostly "Dragonlance was invented by Hickman, based illegally off the Dungeons and Dragons game. Instead of suing him for copyright infringement, TSR hired him and started producing the Dragonlance module series, which quickly became nationally popular." I'm not sure if this is the "three modules featuring evil dragons," so if you know, that would help with integrating it. - Peregrine Fisher 05:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I think we should remove the infoboxes, and replace them with something else. Depending on your monitor resolution and whether its a wide screen, this page won't look right. Maybe something like:
What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher 17:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I made those three parameters optional, we can look at it and see if we like it. I'm not sure which way is best, but this module series seems to be our testbed for what they should all look like, so lets just look at the various ways. - Peregrine Fisher 21:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
DoomsDay349 it is disappointing that you see laziness (could not be bothered reading the whole discusson) as an exuse not to pay attention to the opionions of others and have taken this article off in a totally different direction than what was intended. The one thing in favour of your direction is that it does suit the title of the article better than what was there before. I was hoping to await concensus on an article name before relocating the article we agreed we were trying to write (all this is discussed int he part you refuse to read), but instead I will do it now taking the info we want and linking from the relevant section of your article. You can then do what you want with this article - Waza 22:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
References
I really hope this does not turn into an edit war but I am very tempted to revert DoomsDay349 last edit to http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dragonlance_modules_%28DL_series%29&oldid=117387023. He appears to be determined to hobble this article despite my responding to him on the main article talk page as requested above. That the information already exists in a topic on another page is no reason to delete it here considering
I am walking away from my PC for a while now but I heope this can be resolved rather than by an edit war. - Waza 23:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out who painted what. This page says Larry Elmore did Deceit, Ice, Light, Mystery, and maybe Flame. Another identifies Keith Parkinson for Desolation. It would be nice to know for all of them. I'd like to add cover and interior credits to each. - Peregrine Fisher 00:06, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
I like the module infoboxes, but as I said earlier, they aren't going to look right on certain monitors at certain resolutions. It looks pretty good at 1024x768 with Internet Explorer, which is the most common resolution (56%) and the most common browser (80%). Now, wikipedians use a lot of high resolutions combined with Firefox (which uses a small font or something), and it isn't going to look right in that situation. If we ever wanted to get this to good article status, it's going to have to look good to them as well. So, we either get rid of the infoboxes, or we add information to the left (text) side of each entry. Longer summaries would be good, but that would require actually reading each module, which is a bit farther than I'm willing to go. The easiest thing that jumps to my mind is a "Credits" section. It's encyclopedic, and if it's bulleted, will take add a lot height. I'll add one to the first module to see if we like it, if we don't, I don't mind if its removed or reformatted. - Peregrine Fisher 05:09, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some confusion on the numbers. The original run of the Dragonlance storyline was 14 modules (12 adventures plus DL5 sourcebook and DL11 wargame/campaign accesory.) This was a complete series that was designed as the full story of the War of the Lance punblished from 1984 to 1986. DL15 & DL16 were both published in 1988 and are anthologies with short adventures related to this storyline. After something of a gap. They were not originally planned as part of the series. Though at various times the series was planned to extend to 15 or 16 modules during it's publication, that was not these two modules but just a changed repackaging of the story told in DL1-14. For this reason I will revert last changes to that state 16 modules between 1984 and 1986. I guess it could say 14 module story plus 2 extra's between 84 and 88, but that would be just as easy to change to from the reverted.
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