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I would like to suggest we replace the current pronunciation of Czechia with the following pronunciation, as the current pronunciation is not by a native speaker.:
A Nebraska Cornhusker ( talk) 20:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
It does sound better, yes. — Amakuru ( talk) 22:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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Please edit the pronunciation of "Czechia" in the intro. The the
Pronunciation respelling key does not match the IPA pronunciation (this has been discussed
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which will show
CHE-kee-ə. (The marked up text for the relevant line would be: also known as '''Czechia''' ({{IPAc-en|audio=Czechia,_official_short_name_of_the_Czech_Republic,_pronounced_by_a_Czech_speaker.ogg|tʃ|ɛ|k|i|ə}} {{respell|CHE|kee-ə}};
, which would read "also known as Czechia (
/tʃɛkiə/
CHE-kee-ə;") Thanks. —
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Done Fixed. Thanks. I also fixed the missing stress in the IPA. –
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149.157.114.236 ( talk) 10:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
According the NY Times ( here) the Czechs are proposing a new name for the country: Czechia. Which makes logical sense, very few entities require one to specify their form of government to denote them (the UK is another, I suppose).
Obviously we have to go with current usage. But something to keep an eye on. Herostratus ( talk) 08:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Jan Blanický is absolutely right. Vaclavjoseph ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:46, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Why is it written Czechia and not like Checkia? What does the cz really stand for, as a sound, in english? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.218.245.246 ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 25 April 2016
Czechia (read "checkia") is the English short name of the Czech Republic. It is the English equivalent and translation (in proper transcription [ˈtʃɛki.ə]) of the short name "Česko" [ˈtʃɛskɔ] in Czech. The name was registered by the United Nations and included in the UNO Gazetteers of Geographical Names when the Czech Republic was formed in 1993. The name "Czech Republic" is the administratively-political name of the current state formation, while "Czechia" is the denomination for the Czech state as a more than 1200 years old geographical and settlement-historical unit, which is independent of actual political regimes.
Czechia (Česko) consists of three historical lands: Bohemia (Čechy), Moravia (Morava) and Czech Silesia (Slezsko). In the past, the entire country used to be called Bohemia in English. The term Bohemia originated from the Latin name of the territory that was settled by Celtic tribes Boii before the arrival of Czech tribes into the Czech territory. Consequently, the Czech people and their language were formerly called "Bohemian" in English. The term Czechia was first used in Latin at the beginning of the 17th century and the first evidence of its use in English is from 1866. The name was also commonly used in the United States in the first half of the 20th century during the existence of "Czechoslovakia" for the Czech part of Czechoslovakia and in historical meaning by newspapers, such as the New York Times or Herald Tribune.
Thus, the name Czechia is not completely new and has a long tradition in English. Foreign countries and their politicians expressed their willingness to accept and use the short name Czechia when the Czech Republic was formed in 1993. In other languages, the equivalent of "Czechia" is commonly used (Chequia in Spanish, Tchéquie in French, Tschechien in German, Chéquia in Portugal, Cechia in Italian, Чехия in Russian, Tjeckien in Swedish, etc.). Why then do we refuse to use Czechia in English and continue to mistakenly translate the short name Česko as "the Czech Republic"? The history of our country did not start in 1993 when it officially became the Czech Republic. The great Czech composer Antonín Dvořák - inter alia the founder of the American classical music in the 19th century - was not from the Czech Republic, because such country did not exist in that time, but he was from Czechia. Czechia is not so hard to learn and it is much easier to pronounce than Czechoslovakia, which so many people still remember today and pronounce with ease. Therefore, we do not see any problem in using Czechia by English speakers.
Some people call our country "Czech", which is wrong. "Czech" is an adjective, the name of the inhabitant of Czechia and of the Czech language, but surely not the country name. English speakers do not use French for France, Japanese for Japan or German for Germany. So, please, remember that we are not from Czech but we are from Czechia.
http://www.czech-this.net/articles.php?req=read&article_id=111 http://czechia-initiative.com/czechia_name.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.24.162 ( talk) 19:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello everybody, please ignore lies. Here is true: Translations in dictionaries: CZECHIA >> ČESKO, ČESKO >> CZECHIA http://czechia-cesko.webnode.cz/slovniky/
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.80.21.8 ( talk) 19:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
To 89.102.133.166's POV : If somebody does not have any argument, only feelings, false subjective impressions, personal quasi-aesthetics, contrived assumptions and myths, there is no other path, than beg for ignoring facts. Jan Blanický 17:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Very funny discussion, nobody should be using Czechia, there are around 9'000 fans on Facebook, www.facebook.com/CzechiaCZ; diverse boards existing on Pinterest, what about checking first before writing nonsense? Czechia is as ridiculous as Slovakia, Slovenia, Russia, Serbia, Macedonia; Croatia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Colombia, India and so on. If Czech administrators of Wikipedia keeping deleting all articles about Czechia, it is a typical cause and effect misinterpretation, suppress the word wherever you can and then declare it is not used, if something is ridiculous, this kind of logic is it definitively. Helveticus96 ( talk) 19:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Is the president Milos Zeman ot an authority enough? He is using Czechia constantly, as well as www.czechtourism.com has started using Czechia again. You can keep deleting and suppressing as much as you like, the logical term will come through in the end, as it is convenient as brand. It took 20 years for Cesko, another 20 for Czechia.... Helveticus96 ( talk) 07:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
However, I can understand argument of Khajida, there is not any reason to hide here the existence of the name, its spheres of the use and problems in its disputing, as well as constant erasing of relevant references about the name and preference of misleading information (can be documented). In general (for use in some encyclopedy) the name "Czech republic" (contemporary state formation since 1993) is simply (ane more than obviously) NOT enough to describe the country with more than 1100 years long history. Equally, the division of every issue into two categories (Czech lands 9th century - 20th century vs. Czech republic 1993 - now) is awkward uniqueness, because the country is the same settlement-historical unit all the time. In addition, the denomination "Czech lands" has never been used in English, neither in Czech (České země) as the name of the country, only as some periphrasis (here as some circumvention). CZECHIA is a geographical name of the country, thus, it is unifying element of the historic and thematic line. The struggle against the name is irrational, making only complication and negative aftermath. Only some shortsighted, mentally restricted, masochistic or completely irrational person (personal taste is absolutely irrelevant) is able to ask and encourage the use of only transient political name, which (belonging only to political language) steals historical context of the nation and country, because it relates to actual state-political formation only. Nobody else in Europe solves such a kind of problem. Every country has simulatenously political and geographical name, but uses second one, because it is natural and neutral, thus, it is able to describe the location without limitations, only some Czechs are able to go against their own interests, which is embarassing disgrace. To use Czechia is a matter of common sense. Because of that neverending story of blindness, maybe it is necessary to repeat and emphasize: "the Czech Republic" is only time-limited denomination of the kind of state-political formation in the country (nothing less and nothing more), "Czechia" is the denomination of the Czech state as a whole without limitation by time and political status? I hesitate to believe somebody is not able to get it. Understanding of the difference of meanings requires really only minimal demands on intelligence...... Diggindir ( talk) 06:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
All great arguments but not for Wikipedia. (After my own "fight" I can tell you) Wiki may agree with all this, but its purpose is not to help with this. And I hope admins won't block the change then they will be given evidence of usage they demanded.
What are current goal of Czechia supporters on Wiki? To change name of article (and all references of Czech Republic)? You can't be serious it would be approved.
To mention it in first sentence? It would not pass either (not even with "rarely used" confession).
To fully describe why it should be used in section in the middle of the article? Answer would be "not interesting enough for English readers".
And the main thing: Would any of that really help with spreading of name Czechia and make any difference? Maybe if all Czech Republics on Wiki were changed to Czechia, but you can't expect Wiki would do that. For promotional purposed, video on YouTube will be more effective than Wiki, I guess.
Chrzwzcz (
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21:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Should the article be changed to "Czechia"? We certainly call it "Τσεχία" (Tsehia) in Greek.
The Czech Foreign Ministry encouraged the use of "Czechia" today, so we'll probably eventually switch to that, but I'd keep this at "Czech Republic" as long as that's the most common English name. It's not disrespectful to the Czechs; it is the official name of the country translated into English. One of the articles said that they just are tired of the country's name being rendered (incorrectly) as "Czecho" or "Czechland." Jsc1973 ( talk) 14:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
It's actually up to English speakers what we call other nations. We say Germany not Deutschland, Netherlands not Nederland, Denmark not Danmark, Spain not Espania, Greece not Helas. Similarly we don't get pissy about French saying Londres not London. It's just what grown up nations do. Bohemians may call their nation whatever they like but they can't force speakers of other languages to conform. Particularly when the name they've chosen sounds absurd to English speakers. Gymnophoria ( talk) 16:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
The short name "Czechia" is now in UNGEGN as of July 5 2016: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/geonames/ Kind of makes most of this discussion moot and the name should be changed in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiri.bohac ( talk • contribs) 08:42, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I am very reluctant to bring this topic up again but I noticed that the lede says that the Czech Republic is "rarely known as Czechia". The use of the word "rarely" is a bit ridiculous given that the sentence is at the very beginning of the article. "Also known as Czechia" was more appropriate. There was a consensus here that Czechia would be mentioned in the lede, but when paired with "rarely", I see no point in mentioning Czechia at all. It appears that someone was reminded of the topic of Czechia now that it has been registered with the UN as an analogous name for the Czech Republic. Although it may not be popular with some people because of subjective feelings, Czechia is now officially the short name for the Czech Republic and that is a fact. So would it be possible to change "rarely" back to "also"? A Nebraska Cornhusker ( talk) 18:39, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
published updated name Czechia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.74.167 ( talk) 17:36, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The country is now known as Czechia, even if this was not always so. About the name CNN BBC NPR The Atlantic, about how it was before — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.131.61.38 ( talk) 10:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
for some reason wikipedians don't like the word "Czechia". 97.127.101.92 ( talk) 20:43, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
can you tell me why my edit on the dominican republic article was change twice? I pointed out that Czechia adopted a short form name it got changed back twice 97.127.101.92 ( talk) 21:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
What will it take to change the name of this article? "Also known as Czechia" is quite alright for the time being, but how long will it take for a potential change to come through so that everyone here is OK with a change of the article title? The 2016 Summer Olympics is comming up, I for one will try to look out to see if the Czech team calls itself Czechia at the opening ceremony on 5 August, where the countries always carry their flag and a name plaque. /Hum Hum 07:48, 27 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hum Hum ( talk • contribs)
Current text "also known as Czechia" is OK (for now) no renaming needed. Measuring of English usage will be interesting or how to do it (occurences in last year? Ten years...?) but now it is not the time. I don't believe Czechia will be seen anywhere in Olympics, change was too recent and it hasn't been promoted at all. On the other hand CIA noticed : The World Factbook :) and so did [ US Departement of State]. CZechia may not be the first option to pick, Czech Republic wins, but Czechia has its place in the article as official short version. Chrzwzcz ( talk) 21:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Given all the talk above, is it appropriate for the short term to be used except in the lead and etymology sections? I think there about five other examples in the article. Farleysmaster ( talk) 22:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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"srtistic" should be "artistic"
"wthout" should be "without"
(both in the "Film" section)
Choroba (
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>>The government began taking fresh steps to promote the use of “Czechia” in April this year. How do you view the progress since then regarding the use of “Czechia”?
“There has been important progress. First of all, on May 2 the government formally approved ‘Czechia’ as the short name, the geographic name for the Czech Republic.
“Then the United Nations was officially notified by the Czech government about the use of the short name.
“And on July 5 it was included in the official UN database of geographic names as the short name for the Czech Republic.”
But is it being used more? I’m not talking about formal steps, I’m asking about the actual usage of “Czechia”.
“Actually, it has been used more by others than by the Czechs.
“For example, the American State Department now has ‘Czechia’ on its website.
“Also the influential CIA World Factbook included ‘Czechia’.
“But the Czechs themselves have been hesitant to use it. They are making a number of excuses as to why not to use it.<<
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According to this article in The Independent, and UK government document, the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names is recommending standardising on Czechia. Scarabocchio ( talk) 12:14, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Czech Republic Transport in the Czech Republic." Czech Republic. N.p., n.d. Web. 10 Oct. 2016. AlexisElena ( talk) 17:16, 10 October 2016 (UTC)AlexisElena
The motto "Pravda vítězí" (veritas vincit, truth prevails) is on the presidential flag. Isn't it rather a presidential motto than the national motto? Is there any relevant source which mentioned it as an official national motto? Yes, it has some pattern in Hussite motto "Veritas Dei vincit", is sometimes cited on Czech WWI memorials etc., but not officialy declared as national (state) motto IMHO. -- ŠJů ( talk) 12:33, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
It should be noted that CR is the official abbreviation of Costa Rica, only CZ is correct. The source cited is questionable. The CR abbreviation listed is only used in Czech, with a caron, not in English. This may cause quite a bit of confusion...perhaps the abbreviation information should be moved somewhere else and a special note included? What is the point of including it in the lede? The lede was already long before, now it's just ridiculous. A Nebraska Cornhusker ( talk) 18:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
It was decided to move discussion from List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe here. So: column English short and formal names [19][20][21] where links are official documents with Czechia present, why it is not allowed to include Czechia in this column. Answer(?): Column name says English short and formal names but in fact it means English common (not necessarily official) and official formal names, as proven by names like "United Kingdom", or (in similar articles) "United States", "North Korea", which are not at all official (UN, ISO), but damn common. Therefore there's no place for Czechia, it is neither common short nor official formal long. But why it has to be twice repeated "Czech Republic" (once with the "the") and why a note "Czechia is official short" and link to "Name of Czech Republic" is not allowed...? IMHO it makes no difference, it won't help Czechia a bit if Czechia is included in that article (at least as a note), but also it is not promoting, why trying to eliminate it when it kind of is article about country names from official documents and common names. Chrzwzcz ( talk) 16:56, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The point was not that the discussion of what goes on that article should take place here. That's outside all Wikipedia norms. It was that that article - and every other article that refers to the the Czech Republic or any other country on the list - should be using the name of the article as its primary reference to the state in question. That way, we avoid having the exact same discussion with the exact same arguments separately on thousands and thousands of different articles individually. There will be exceptions per WP:COMMONSENSE and project consensus, but neither applies here.
The contents of the article List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe are decided at Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe. The decision made there was not to move the discussion here, it was that we should use the title of this article to refer to the state. If consensus here is to move this article is "Czechia", then that article - and the vast majority of other articles - should change to use "Czechia". But while this article is entitled "Czech Republic", we should also refer to the "Czech Republic" as the standard English name of this country. Kahastok talk 20:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. No indication of this talk discussion resulting in anything except "not moved". ( non-admin closure). Anarchyte ( work | talk) 06:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Czech Republic → Czechia – Natural, common name, concise. Foreign governments, such as Cia of America, have begun using the name. If it weren't clear enough. " Czechia: English speakers told to use new name for Czech Republic." Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 01:11, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
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Please replace "also known by the short name Czechia" with "also listed in UN database by the short name Czechia". Czechia is not commonly accepted name, it was only listed in UN database by present Czech government. See [7]. 194.228.13.232 ( talk) 20:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Please stop edit war over the glass picture. I think that there is currently enough of pictures in that section, so there is no need for new picture. If yes, there are better examples at commons:Category:Bohemian glass, as proposed picture is more likely applied arts and only average quality.-- Jklamo ( talk) 13:59, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Czech Republic should be primarily known as 'Czechia', according to Government advisors on the proper naming of geographical places and features outside the UK. The Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) advised all english to start using the new term. Czechia leaders released a statement saying “it is recommended to use a one-word name in foreign languages if it is not necessary to use the formal name of the country”. One does not use 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' as the full name for the 'United Kingdom', so the naming convention of 'Czechia' should also be observed and respected.
193.55.52.1 ( talk) 04:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
It is so uncommon that Google maps is using it. Helveticus96 ( talk) 07:57, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I think there must be a mention about the Battle of White Mountain, because it was one of the most important battles in the history of the lands of the Bohemian Crown. It was a decisive moment for the next centuries... so yes, it surely must be there. Herbertík ( talk) 19:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
I propose to move the article to Czechia and use the Czech Republic as a redirect. Czechia has announced that it wants English speakers to refer to it with the Czechia name and not the Czech Republic name. Every country has the right to be known by the name it chooses. Eleni Kaltsi ( talk) 07:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Small steps - Google maps uses "Czechia" for places/points, like "Directions from here" "Directions to here" and "What's here" - I hope this example link works generally. It is not used in "world map", nevertheless slow progress is there :) Chrzwzcz ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Anybody else think the lead has gotten WAY too long and overly detailed.-- Khajidha ( talk) 13:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Maybe, some information can be omitted and some should be added, but the extent of the intro is adequate, as said above by Jklamo. If the article should be not only about the present republic but also about the country itself, a short summary of its previous forms and statuses is necessary. I noticed even an attempt to remove the information about the date of creation of the Czech Republic (1969, within the federation). Such basic information should be surely not absent in the intro. Regrettably, now is missing. The article is about the Czech Republic and somebody deleted the year of the creation of the republic from the intro of the article. Isn't it absurd?
Regrettably, some edits are made by uneducated people who consider "Czechoslovakia" as other meaning of the term "Czech Republic", even though Czech Republic is only one subject in the history and its name has no other meaning. We should not omit to inform such people that the only Czech Republic was created in 1969 (under the original name Czech Socialistic Republic) and there is no other Czech Republic in the whole world. -- ŠJů ( talk) 19:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Czechia teaches European English orthography (labour, travelled, realise, defence) to its students in the public school system. People of Czechia use European English orthography, not American English orthography (labor, traveled, realize, defense). therefore we must switch the article to European English orthography. I propose to do this. Eleni Kaltsi ( talk) 07:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Czechia https://www.google.com/maps/place/Czechia/@49.7170445,10.9886183,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x470b948fd7dd8243:0xf8661c75d3db586f!8m2!3d49.817492!4d15.472962 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.5.30 ( talk) 16:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Google is not the only or main source for Wikipedia. Google has its own rules (following official documentation), Wikipedia has its own principles (so called common name). It is nice to have some principles, but when competing with Google... I don't say "Google knows best", but are there another countries where Google (maps) says one thing and Wikipedia another? Such inconsistencies must be confusing for readers. Chrzwzcz ( talk) 15:39, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Here's an interesting article from a WP:RS on the failure of the name "Czechia" to enter popular usage, and its unpopularity even within the Czech Republic:
-- The Anome ( talk) 07:28, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
To ask three people on the square and look through two twitter accounts (which understandably use formal name) and make an article about it. Journalism at its best! Real RS :) It is official only 3 months, it was approved 5 months ago and "discussed to be approved" 6 months ago. Czech Republic does not have big media coverage so it is much harder (bad timing with Olympics didn't help, it was too late to change the jerseys). We will see in a year... possibly the same because government officials are very lazy with the use of what they agreed on. But to sum up: 3-6 months is very soon to tell. So your quick judgement "failure" is off. Usage between Czechs - well they speak Czech, so... we'll see after/if sport will use it :) You as Wikipedia would not admit after 3-6 months "it catched on, let's change the title", so don't tell "it failed and it cannot be saved, it is done" :) Chrzwzcz ( talk) 19:32, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
And one new article, it is from a Czech site but in English, and more informative than a poll among 3 people on a square as famous Guardian did: Czechia still seeks to put itself on the map Chrzwzcz ( talk) 17:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
2017 World Almanac in nations of the world section is using Czechia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.80.163 ( talk) 18:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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I would like to suggest we replace the current pronunciation of Czechia with the following pronunciation, as the current pronunciation is not by a native speaker.:
A Nebraska Cornhusker ( talk) 20:24, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
It does sound better, yes. — Amakuru ( talk) 22:06, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
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Please edit the pronunciation of "Czechia" in the intro. The the
Pronunciation respelling key does not match the IPA pronunciation (this has been discussed
above as well with support for this change). The pronunciation respelling key should be corrected to show stress on the first syllable and the correct final sound as follows: {{
respell|CHE|kee-ə}}
which will show
CHE-kee-ə. (The marked up text for the relevant line would be: also known as '''Czechia''' ({{IPAc-en|audio=Czechia,_official_short_name_of_the_Czech_Republic,_pronounced_by_a_Czech_speaker.ogg|tʃ|ɛ|k|i|ə}} {{respell|CHE|kee-ə}};
, which would read "also known as Czechia (
/tʃɛkiə/
CHE-kee-ə;") Thanks. —
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149.157.114.236 ( talk) 10:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
According the NY Times ( here) the Czechs are proposing a new name for the country: Czechia. Which makes logical sense, very few entities require one to specify their form of government to denote them (the UK is another, I suppose).
Obviously we have to go with current usage. But something to keep an eye on. Herostratus ( talk) 08:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
Jan Blanický is absolutely right. Vaclavjoseph ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:46, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Why is it written Czechia and not like Checkia? What does the cz really stand for, as a sound, in english? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.218.245.246 ( talk • contribs) 16:47, 25 April 2016
Czechia (read "checkia") is the English short name of the Czech Republic. It is the English equivalent and translation (in proper transcription [ˈtʃɛki.ə]) of the short name "Česko" [ˈtʃɛskɔ] in Czech. The name was registered by the United Nations and included in the UNO Gazetteers of Geographical Names when the Czech Republic was formed in 1993. The name "Czech Republic" is the administratively-political name of the current state formation, while "Czechia" is the denomination for the Czech state as a more than 1200 years old geographical and settlement-historical unit, which is independent of actual political regimes.
Czechia (Česko) consists of three historical lands: Bohemia (Čechy), Moravia (Morava) and Czech Silesia (Slezsko). In the past, the entire country used to be called Bohemia in English. The term Bohemia originated from the Latin name of the territory that was settled by Celtic tribes Boii before the arrival of Czech tribes into the Czech territory. Consequently, the Czech people and their language were formerly called "Bohemian" in English. The term Czechia was first used in Latin at the beginning of the 17th century and the first evidence of its use in English is from 1866. The name was also commonly used in the United States in the first half of the 20th century during the existence of "Czechoslovakia" for the Czech part of Czechoslovakia and in historical meaning by newspapers, such as the New York Times or Herald Tribune.
Thus, the name Czechia is not completely new and has a long tradition in English. Foreign countries and their politicians expressed their willingness to accept and use the short name Czechia when the Czech Republic was formed in 1993. In other languages, the equivalent of "Czechia" is commonly used (Chequia in Spanish, Tchéquie in French, Tschechien in German, Chéquia in Portugal, Cechia in Italian, Чехия in Russian, Tjeckien in Swedish, etc.). Why then do we refuse to use Czechia in English and continue to mistakenly translate the short name Česko as "the Czech Republic"? The history of our country did not start in 1993 when it officially became the Czech Republic. The great Czech composer Antonín Dvořák - inter alia the founder of the American classical music in the 19th century - was not from the Czech Republic, because such country did not exist in that time, but he was from Czechia. Czechia is not so hard to learn and it is much easier to pronounce than Czechoslovakia, which so many people still remember today and pronounce with ease. Therefore, we do not see any problem in using Czechia by English speakers.
Some people call our country "Czech", which is wrong. "Czech" is an adjective, the name of the inhabitant of Czechia and of the Czech language, but surely not the country name. English speakers do not use French for France, Japanese for Japan or German for Germany. So, please, remember that we are not from Czech but we are from Czechia.
http://www.czech-this.net/articles.php?req=read&article_id=111 http://czechia-initiative.com/czechia_name.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.207.24.162 ( talk) 19:31, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello everybody, please ignore lies. Here is true: Translations in dictionaries: CZECHIA >> ČESKO, ČESKO >> CZECHIA http://czechia-cesko.webnode.cz/slovniky/
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.80.21.8 ( talk) 19:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
To 89.102.133.166's POV : If somebody does not have any argument, only feelings, false subjective impressions, personal quasi-aesthetics, contrived assumptions and myths, there is no other path, than beg for ignoring facts. Jan Blanický 17:32, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Very funny discussion, nobody should be using Czechia, there are around 9'000 fans on Facebook, www.facebook.com/CzechiaCZ; diverse boards existing on Pinterest, what about checking first before writing nonsense? Czechia is as ridiculous as Slovakia, Slovenia, Russia, Serbia, Macedonia; Croatia, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Colombia, India and so on. If Czech administrators of Wikipedia keeping deleting all articles about Czechia, it is a typical cause and effect misinterpretation, suppress the word wherever you can and then declare it is not used, if something is ridiculous, this kind of logic is it definitively. Helveticus96 ( talk) 19:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Is the president Milos Zeman ot an authority enough? He is using Czechia constantly, as well as www.czechtourism.com has started using Czechia again. You can keep deleting and suppressing as much as you like, the logical term will come through in the end, as it is convenient as brand. It took 20 years for Cesko, another 20 for Czechia.... Helveticus96 ( talk) 07:13, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
However, I can understand argument of Khajida, there is not any reason to hide here the existence of the name, its spheres of the use and problems in its disputing, as well as constant erasing of relevant references about the name and preference of misleading information (can be documented). In general (for use in some encyclopedy) the name "Czech republic" (contemporary state formation since 1993) is simply (ane more than obviously) NOT enough to describe the country with more than 1100 years long history. Equally, the division of every issue into two categories (Czech lands 9th century - 20th century vs. Czech republic 1993 - now) is awkward uniqueness, because the country is the same settlement-historical unit all the time. In addition, the denomination "Czech lands" has never been used in English, neither in Czech (České země) as the name of the country, only as some periphrasis (here as some circumvention). CZECHIA is a geographical name of the country, thus, it is unifying element of the historic and thematic line. The struggle against the name is irrational, making only complication and negative aftermath. Only some shortsighted, mentally restricted, masochistic or completely irrational person (personal taste is absolutely irrelevant) is able to ask and encourage the use of only transient political name, which (belonging only to political language) steals historical context of the nation and country, because it relates to actual state-political formation only. Nobody else in Europe solves such a kind of problem. Every country has simulatenously political and geographical name, but uses second one, because it is natural and neutral, thus, it is able to describe the location without limitations, only some Czechs are able to go against their own interests, which is embarassing disgrace. To use Czechia is a matter of common sense. Because of that neverending story of blindness, maybe it is necessary to repeat and emphasize: "the Czech Republic" is only time-limited denomination of the kind of state-political formation in the country (nothing less and nothing more), "Czechia" is the denomination of the Czech state as a whole without limitation by time and political status? I hesitate to believe somebody is not able to get it. Understanding of the difference of meanings requires really only minimal demands on intelligence...... Diggindir ( talk) 06:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
All great arguments but not for Wikipedia. (After my own "fight" I can tell you) Wiki may agree with all this, but its purpose is not to help with this. And I hope admins won't block the change then they will be given evidence of usage they demanded.
What are current goal of Czechia supporters on Wiki? To change name of article (and all references of Czech Republic)? You can't be serious it would be approved.
To mention it in first sentence? It would not pass either (not even with "rarely used" confession).
To fully describe why it should be used in section in the middle of the article? Answer would be "not interesting enough for English readers".
And the main thing: Would any of that really help with spreading of name Czechia and make any difference? Maybe if all Czech Republics on Wiki were changed to Czechia, but you can't expect Wiki would do that. For promotional purposed, video on YouTube will be more effective than Wiki, I guess.
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Should the article be changed to "Czechia"? We certainly call it "Τσεχία" (Tsehia) in Greek.
The Czech Foreign Ministry encouraged the use of "Czechia" today, so we'll probably eventually switch to that, but I'd keep this at "Czech Republic" as long as that's the most common English name. It's not disrespectful to the Czechs; it is the official name of the country translated into English. One of the articles said that they just are tired of the country's name being rendered (incorrectly) as "Czecho" or "Czechland." Jsc1973 ( talk) 14:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
It's actually up to English speakers what we call other nations. We say Germany not Deutschland, Netherlands not Nederland, Denmark not Danmark, Spain not Espania, Greece not Helas. Similarly we don't get pissy about French saying Londres not London. It's just what grown up nations do. Bohemians may call their nation whatever they like but they can't force speakers of other languages to conform. Particularly when the name they've chosen sounds absurd to English speakers. Gymnophoria ( talk) 16:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
The short name "Czechia" is now in UNGEGN as of July 5 2016: http://unstats.un.org/unsd/geoinfo/geonames/ Kind of makes most of this discussion moot and the name should be changed in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jiri.bohac ( talk • contribs) 08:42, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
I am very reluctant to bring this topic up again but I noticed that the lede says that the Czech Republic is "rarely known as Czechia". The use of the word "rarely" is a bit ridiculous given that the sentence is at the very beginning of the article. "Also known as Czechia" was more appropriate. There was a consensus here that Czechia would be mentioned in the lede, but when paired with "rarely", I see no point in mentioning Czechia at all. It appears that someone was reminded of the topic of Czechia now that it has been registered with the UN as an analogous name for the Czech Republic. Although it may not be popular with some people because of subjective feelings, Czechia is now officially the short name for the Czech Republic and that is a fact. So would it be possible to change "rarely" back to "also"? A Nebraska Cornhusker ( talk) 18:39, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
published updated name Czechia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.74.167 ( talk) 17:36, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The country is now known as Czechia, even if this was not always so. About the name CNN BBC NPR The Atlantic, about how it was before — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.131.61.38 ( talk) 10:34, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
for some reason wikipedians don't like the word "Czechia". 97.127.101.92 ( talk) 20:43, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
can you tell me why my edit on the dominican republic article was change twice? I pointed out that Czechia adopted a short form name it got changed back twice 97.127.101.92 ( talk) 21:04, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
What will it take to change the name of this article? "Also known as Czechia" is quite alright for the time being, but how long will it take for a potential change to come through so that everyone here is OK with a change of the article title? The 2016 Summer Olympics is comming up, I for one will try to look out to see if the Czech team calls itself Czechia at the opening ceremony on 5 August, where the countries always carry their flag and a name plaque. /Hum Hum 07:48, 27 July 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hum Hum ( talk • contribs)
Current text "also known as Czechia" is OK (for now) no renaming needed. Measuring of English usage will be interesting or how to do it (occurences in last year? Ten years...?) but now it is not the time. I don't believe Czechia will be seen anywhere in Olympics, change was too recent and it hasn't been promoted at all. On the other hand CIA noticed : The World Factbook :) and so did [ US Departement of State]. CZechia may not be the first option to pick, Czech Republic wins, but Czechia has its place in the article as official short version. Chrzwzcz ( talk) 21:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
Given all the talk above, is it appropriate for the short term to be used except in the lead and etymology sections? I think there about five other examples in the article. Farleysmaster ( talk) 22:29, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
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"srtistic" should be "artistic"
"wthout" should be "without"
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Choroba (
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>>The government began taking fresh steps to promote the use of “Czechia” in April this year. How do you view the progress since then regarding the use of “Czechia”?
“There has been important progress. First of all, on May 2 the government formally approved ‘Czechia’ as the short name, the geographic name for the Czech Republic.
“Then the United Nations was officially notified by the Czech government about the use of the short name.
“And on July 5 it was included in the official UN database of geographic names as the short name for the Czech Republic.”
But is it being used more? I’m not talking about formal steps, I’m asking about the actual usage of “Czechia”.
“Actually, it has been used more by others than by the Czechs.
“For example, the American State Department now has ‘Czechia’ on its website.
“Also the influential CIA World Factbook included ‘Czechia’.
“But the Czechs themselves have been hesitant to use it. They are making a number of excuses as to why not to use it.<<
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According to this article in The Independent, and UK government document, the Permanent Committee on Geographical Names is recommending standardising on Czechia. Scarabocchio ( talk) 12:14, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Czech Republic Transport in the Czech Republic." Czech Republic. N.p., n.d. Web. 10 Oct. 2016. AlexisElena ( talk) 17:16, 10 October 2016 (UTC)AlexisElena
The motto "Pravda vítězí" (veritas vincit, truth prevails) is on the presidential flag. Isn't it rather a presidential motto than the national motto? Is there any relevant source which mentioned it as an official national motto? Yes, it has some pattern in Hussite motto "Veritas Dei vincit", is sometimes cited on Czech WWI memorials etc., but not officialy declared as national (state) motto IMHO. -- ŠJů ( talk) 12:33, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
It should be noted that CR is the official abbreviation of Costa Rica, only CZ is correct. The source cited is questionable. The CR abbreviation listed is only used in Czech, with a caron, not in English. This may cause quite a bit of confusion...perhaps the abbreviation information should be moved somewhere else and a special note included? What is the point of including it in the lede? The lede was already long before, now it's just ridiculous. A Nebraska Cornhusker ( talk) 18:48, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
It was decided to move discussion from List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe here. So: column English short and formal names [19][20][21] where links are official documents with Czechia present, why it is not allowed to include Czechia in this column. Answer(?): Column name says English short and formal names but in fact it means English common (not necessarily official) and official formal names, as proven by names like "United Kingdom", or (in similar articles) "United States", "North Korea", which are not at all official (UN, ISO), but damn common. Therefore there's no place for Czechia, it is neither common short nor official formal long. But why it has to be twice repeated "Czech Republic" (once with the "the") and why a note "Czechia is official short" and link to "Name of Czech Republic" is not allowed...? IMHO it makes no difference, it won't help Czechia a bit if Czechia is included in that article (at least as a note), but also it is not promoting, why trying to eliminate it when it kind of is article about country names from official documents and common names. Chrzwzcz ( talk) 16:56, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The point was not that the discussion of what goes on that article should take place here. That's outside all Wikipedia norms. It was that that article - and every other article that refers to the the Czech Republic or any other country on the list - should be using the name of the article as its primary reference to the state in question. That way, we avoid having the exact same discussion with the exact same arguments separately on thousands and thousands of different articles individually. There will be exceptions per WP:COMMONSENSE and project consensus, but neither applies here.
The contents of the article List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe are decided at Talk:List of sovereign states and dependent territories in Europe. The decision made there was not to move the discussion here, it was that we should use the title of this article to refer to the state. If consensus here is to move this article is "Czechia", then that article - and the vast majority of other articles - should change to use "Czechia". But while this article is entitled "Czech Republic", we should also refer to the "Czech Republic" as the standard English name of this country. Kahastok talk 20:30, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved per WP:SNOW. No indication of this talk discussion resulting in anything except "not moved". ( non-admin closure). Anarchyte ( work | talk) 06:39, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Czech Republic → Czechia – Natural, common name, concise. Foreign governments, such as Cia of America, have begun using the name. If it weren't clear enough. " Czechia: English speakers told to use new name for Czech Republic." Shhhhwwww!! ( talk) 01:11, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
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Please replace "also known by the short name Czechia" with "also listed in UN database by the short name Czechia". Czechia is not commonly accepted name, it was only listed in UN database by present Czech government. See [7]. 194.228.13.232 ( talk) 20:45, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
Please stop edit war over the glass picture. I think that there is currently enough of pictures in that section, so there is no need for new picture. If yes, there are better examples at commons:Category:Bohemian glass, as proposed picture is more likely applied arts and only average quality.-- Jklamo ( talk) 13:59, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Czech Republic should be primarily known as 'Czechia', according to Government advisors on the proper naming of geographical places and features outside the UK. The Permanent Committee on Geographical Names (PCGN) advised all english to start using the new term. Czechia leaders released a statement saying “it is recommended to use a one-word name in foreign languages if it is not necessary to use the formal name of the country”. One does not use 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' as the full name for the 'United Kingdom', so the naming convention of 'Czechia' should also be observed and respected.
193.55.52.1 ( talk) 04:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
It is so uncommon that Google maps is using it. Helveticus96 ( talk) 07:57, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
I think there must be a mention about the Battle of White Mountain, because it was one of the most important battles in the history of the lands of the Bohemian Crown. It was a decisive moment for the next centuries... so yes, it surely must be there. Herbertík ( talk) 19:25, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
I propose to move the article to Czechia and use the Czech Republic as a redirect. Czechia has announced that it wants English speakers to refer to it with the Czechia name and not the Czech Republic name. Every country has the right to be known by the name it chooses. Eleni Kaltsi ( talk) 07:42, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Small steps - Google maps uses "Czechia" for places/points, like "Directions from here" "Directions to here" and "What's here" - I hope this example link works generally. It is not used in "world map", nevertheless slow progress is there :) Chrzwzcz ( talk) 17:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Anybody else think the lead has gotten WAY too long and overly detailed.-- Khajidha ( talk) 13:25, 23 February 2017 (UTC)
Maybe, some information can be omitted and some should be added, but the extent of the intro is adequate, as said above by Jklamo. If the article should be not only about the present republic but also about the country itself, a short summary of its previous forms and statuses is necessary. I noticed even an attempt to remove the information about the date of creation of the Czech Republic (1969, within the federation). Such basic information should be surely not absent in the intro. Regrettably, now is missing. The article is about the Czech Republic and somebody deleted the year of the creation of the republic from the intro of the article. Isn't it absurd?
Regrettably, some edits are made by uneducated people who consider "Czechoslovakia" as other meaning of the term "Czech Republic", even though Czech Republic is only one subject in the history and its name has no other meaning. We should not omit to inform such people that the only Czech Republic was created in 1969 (under the original name Czech Socialistic Republic) and there is no other Czech Republic in the whole world. -- ŠJů ( talk) 19:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Czechia teaches European English orthography (labour, travelled, realise, defence) to its students in the public school system. People of Czechia use European English orthography, not American English orthography (labor, traveled, realize, defense). therefore we must switch the article to European English orthography. I propose to do this. Eleni Kaltsi ( talk) 07:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Czechia https://www.google.com/maps/place/Czechia/@49.7170445,10.9886183,6z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x470b948fd7dd8243:0xf8661c75d3db586f!8m2!3d49.817492!4d15.472962 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.5.30 ( talk) 16:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Google is not the only or main source for Wikipedia. Google has its own rules (following official documentation), Wikipedia has its own principles (so called common name). It is nice to have some principles, but when competing with Google... I don't say "Google knows best", but are there another countries where Google (maps) says one thing and Wikipedia another? Such inconsistencies must be confusing for readers. Chrzwzcz ( talk) 15:39, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Here's an interesting article from a WP:RS on the failure of the name "Czechia" to enter popular usage, and its unpopularity even within the Czech Republic:
-- The Anome ( talk) 07:28, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
To ask three people on the square and look through two twitter accounts (which understandably use formal name) and make an article about it. Journalism at its best! Real RS :) It is official only 3 months, it was approved 5 months ago and "discussed to be approved" 6 months ago. Czech Republic does not have big media coverage so it is much harder (bad timing with Olympics didn't help, it was too late to change the jerseys). We will see in a year... possibly the same because government officials are very lazy with the use of what they agreed on. But to sum up: 3-6 months is very soon to tell. So your quick judgement "failure" is off. Usage between Czechs - well they speak Czech, so... we'll see after/if sport will use it :) You as Wikipedia would not admit after 3-6 months "it catched on, let's change the title", so don't tell "it failed and it cannot be saved, it is done" :) Chrzwzcz ( talk) 19:32, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
And one new article, it is from a Czech site but in English, and more informative than a poll among 3 people on a square as famous Guardian did: Czechia still seeks to put itself on the map Chrzwzcz ( talk) 17:54, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
2017 World Almanac in nations of the world section is using Czechia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.80.163 ( talk) 18:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)