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Having read both books, I do not come to this same conclusion, and I think that it is quite clearly covered in Cyteen why Union "seeded" this planet with a "colony," and why the reminiscences of the colonists reflect nothing of the truth that was shown in the book Cyteen. They were sent there as a one-shot, pass-fail colonization attempt. If they succeeded, they were a seed of union in the heart of Alliance/Earth that would have to absorb them or isolate them, but either way, would be halted in their forward progress.
The whole section smacks of personal research, and no offence meant to whomever wrote it, but really, I see no inconsistency. Union was desperate to win, they took extreme measures that would not hurt them either way down the road, and what would conceivably bring them good results at some point in the future. As is cited on Cherryh's bio, she writes in Third-Person-Extremely-Limited. The colonists were made to believe they were going to be sustained by Union. Thus they show no knowledge of their betrayal. Their descendents have no knowledge of politics and life beyond their world, and so, for them, there is no conversation to that end. I'm sorry, but I don't even feel this section should be in the article. That's my vote. Bo-Lingua 00:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The existing plot summary only covers about one third of the story (Except for the last few sentences, which are tacked on from the last third.) It's missing tons of detail. I'd suggest a complete re-write to include the whole story. I'm working on one, but I was wondering how much detail should be included? -- Gerdofal 02:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The Nature vs. Nurture section (the only subsection of Major themes) appears to be purely original research & review commentary. I propose to remove it. Comments? -- Yksin 00:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand Denis' motives at the end at all. Can somebody shed some light? Clarityfiend ( talk) 19:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
This is noted in the current character list, but...
Could somebody find support for this in the text? I just finished reading the novel, and Ari clearly states that this is a station rumor but not fact; add that to the early internal monologue where Justin remembers chasing after Julia when he was a teenager, and it seems almost certain that he is heterosexual, not homosexual.
Grant and Justin are wonderfully close and supportive, as very good brothers and friends would be. Did anyone find evidence of anything more? 70.112.117.209 ( talk) 14:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Woops. I looked up the passage, and she believes they are lovers, but can't imagine it. Nevermind. Question retracted. 70.112.117.209 ( talk) 14:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Ari I engineered Justin's violation by Florian I after she drugged him to activate his latent homosexuality. It's very obvious that they are homosexual lovers in Regenesis, btw, in case you missed all the clues in Cyteen. 19:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saralleine ( talk • contribs)
If reading the old books, which order do they go in?
1. Rebirth 2. Betrayal 3. Vindication
? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.145.251.34 ( talk) 17:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I added the category 1980s science fiction novels. Transcendentalist01 ( talk) 22:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
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Having read both books, I do not come to this same conclusion, and I think that it is quite clearly covered in Cyteen why Union "seeded" this planet with a "colony," and why the reminiscences of the colonists reflect nothing of the truth that was shown in the book Cyteen. They were sent there as a one-shot, pass-fail colonization attempt. If they succeeded, they were a seed of union in the heart of Alliance/Earth that would have to absorb them or isolate them, but either way, would be halted in their forward progress.
The whole section smacks of personal research, and no offence meant to whomever wrote it, but really, I see no inconsistency. Union was desperate to win, they took extreme measures that would not hurt them either way down the road, and what would conceivably bring them good results at some point in the future. As is cited on Cherryh's bio, she writes in Third-Person-Extremely-Limited. The colonists were made to believe they were going to be sustained by Union. Thus they show no knowledge of their betrayal. Their descendents have no knowledge of politics and life beyond their world, and so, for them, there is no conversation to that end. I'm sorry, but I don't even feel this section should be in the article. That's my vote. Bo-Lingua 00:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
The existing plot summary only covers about one third of the story (Except for the last few sentences, which are tacked on from the last third.) It's missing tons of detail. I'd suggest a complete re-write to include the whole story. I'm working on one, but I was wondering how much detail should be included? -- Gerdofal 02:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
The Nature vs. Nurture section (the only subsection of Major themes) appears to be purely original research & review commentary. I propose to remove it. Comments? -- Yksin 00:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand Denis' motives at the end at all. Can somebody shed some light? Clarityfiend ( talk) 19:17, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
This is noted in the current character list, but...
Could somebody find support for this in the text? I just finished reading the novel, and Ari clearly states that this is a station rumor but not fact; add that to the early internal monologue where Justin remembers chasing after Julia when he was a teenager, and it seems almost certain that he is heterosexual, not homosexual.
Grant and Justin are wonderfully close and supportive, as very good brothers and friends would be. Did anyone find evidence of anything more? 70.112.117.209 ( talk) 14:26, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Woops. I looked up the passage, and she believes they are lovers, but can't imagine it. Nevermind. Question retracted. 70.112.117.209 ( talk) 14:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Ari I engineered Justin's violation by Florian I after she drugged him to activate his latent homosexuality. It's very obvious that they are homosexual lovers in Regenesis, btw, in case you missed all the clues in Cyteen. 19:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saralleine ( talk • contribs)
If reading the old books, which order do they go in?
1. Rebirth 2. Betrayal 3. Vindication
? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.145.251.34 ( talk) 17:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
I added the category 1980s science fiction novels. Transcendentalist01 ( talk) 22:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)