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Under the "Military" section, please can someone replace the image of a US marine helicopter (captioned oddly "The US embassy in Cyprus") with something more directly related to the Cyprus National Guard? Occamy 14:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please clean up for me the confusion between Southwest Asia, Europe, the Middle East and Central Eurasia, all of which regions seem to include Cyprus. Is one or both of these articles incorrect? Or are all these areas overlapping? Or is it something else? Thanks Vizjim 08:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Cyprus culturally belongs to Europe, geographically it's south-eastern Europe or western Asia, any of the two. But politically and generally, Cyprus is the southeastern border of Europe. Nikosextra 12:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Cyprus is not and never has been geographically a part of Europe under any definition. It is a part of Asia (the Middle East, or South-East Asia), historically and currently. Europe is not a political entity so I dont see the context to claim it is politically a part of anything larger, the EU is not a political entity (at least not yet). And to say it is culturally a part of Europe is to ignore the large Turkish population in the north which have set up their own republic and since Turks are from Asia that would put them culturally as Asians. To say it's part of Europe is simply cosmetic to make Cyprus appear better because of the stigma associated with being from the Middle East (or Southeast Asia as more commonly used nowadays but which leaves out Egypt). 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 03:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I am new at this, so please forgive me if I don't enter my comments in the correct way. After reading various iterations of this article, I still question the term "styling itself". Why not use the simpler phrase "calling itself"? "Styling itself" carries POV connotations that are not necessary. There is nothing gained by hinting that the TRNC government is playing at pretense or dressing itself up. If "calling itself" is too weak, then further clarification can be added without using loaded terminolgy. I could suggest "calling itself the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (although recognized by no nation other than the Republic of Turkey)." Saraalan 01:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Given no replies, I made the change and removed the loaded terminology. Saraalan 04:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
In reference to the responses I have been receiving after tagging this section for cleanup, my rationale is quite simple. In addition to the overall cleanup temp at the top of the page, this section has no sub-headings and really, to be honest, needs some smaller text in bolder referring to the next paragraph. At the moment, the section looks like an essay and is really quite simple to fix by the people who do actually know what they're talking about. And seen as I don't know much about post-war independence in Cyprus, I'd appreciate someone who does to add further sub-headings. You can do so by adding ====Sub-section heading====. Also one more thing this section would also benefit from sub-section headings. Thanks. Onnaghar tl ! co 15:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Stylistic editing of this section has been the most difficult so far. The timeline of the previous version had the 4 March 1964 Security Council resolution sending the peacekeeping force, followed by other factors that precipitated the 4 March 1964 Security resolution sending the peacekeeping force, so I tried to straighten that out. Please let me know of any issues or problems with my editing. Thanks. Saraalan 01:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
By the way, what happened between 1965 and 1974? Thanks, Saraalan 02:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Some smart ass had written the following in the beginning of the second paragraph of the main article: "Greek military junta and genocide against Turkish Cypriots of that period,". The claim that Greeks committed a genocide against the Turks is ludicrous, to say the least, and I will not even go into who has committed what genocides over the past aeon. In short, I removed the offending text so it reads "Greek military junta".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.4.62 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
This section of the Cyprus article includes the phrase, "In the process over 160,000 Greek Cypriots who made up the overwhelming majority of the population of these areas were ethnically cleansed." The term "ethnically cleansed" is unclear, as is the fate of the 160,000 persons. The Sunday Times article referenced discusses mass killings (as well as the torture and rape) of Greek Cypriots and says that 170,000 persons became refugees, unable to return to their homes in the north.
Given this, I would prefer to say something like, "In the process, large numbers of Greek Cypriots were victims of mass killings, and 170,000 were evicted from their homes and forced to move to Greek Cypriot-held territory."
If "were victims of mass killings" is too strong or considered unsupported, then perhaps "lost their lives".
This proposed change is an attempt to clarify and not to change content. Please let me know if you have any issues with this proposed change. Thanks, Saraalan 03:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Given no response, I have made the change as outlined. Saraalan 02:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The fourth paragraph sort of makes it sound like the U.K. bases are not de jure, while the bullet says the U.K. maintained jurisdiction, which would seem to be de jure. I'm not sure how that could be fixed without some clumsy language, but I may be able to come up with something. If you have thoughts regarding this, please let me know. Thanks, Saraalan 04:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Change made with minor change to the wording. Please let me know if you don't think this is satisfactory. Thanks, Saraalan 16:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
After a lot of search I have finally found the Gini Coefficient for Cyprus. It stood at 29 at 2004 which is very good since the optimum is considered to be 25 (?) Please add it.
Link: http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/3FF386B73F87AF46C22572F00028C49D/$file/EUSILC_05.pdf?OpenElement (In greek) User:WhiteMagick 11:40 16 Oct 2007 (GMT)
The article states that the English language is widely spoken & understood all over Cyprus, exactly to which extent is it spread (ie - are textbooks in schools in the English language) and is there any chance in the future that it may be adopted as a third official language? - Soprani 09:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Given the changes over time to the introductory wording about location, I have attempted to clarify the location of Cyprus in a manner similar to other island country articles (see Malta and Jamaica) and tie the opener to the geography section of the article as well as to the Geography of Cyprus article. Looking at a map, Cyprus is in the corner of the Mediterranean surrounded by Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon, so I think those would be the best reference points. Please let me know if you see any problem with the wording. Thanks, Saraalan 01:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC) P.S. I considered using the phrase "geographically part of the Middle East while politically more a part of Europe", but I decided to use " European Union" instead. I'm interested in what others think about this. Thanks, Saraalan 01:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted this verbosity. Fudging and unsourced opinionating aside, recent edits have merely added unnecessary, redundant, even misleading details and have the potential of further politicising the introduction. Debatably, Cyprus isn't part of the Middle East (see that article); as well, some sources identify Cyprus as part of Europe (which is commonly reckoned as a continent, technically or otherwise), perhaps because Cyprus is a member of the EU (which, with the prior edit, is now duplicated in the introduction.) Physiographically, not geographically (which is rather general), Cyprus is part of Asia. Is it truly difficult to grasp or note that Cyprus is closest to Turkey (per Geography of Cyprus et al.), without throwing in the kitchen sink as is proposed? If extreme brevity is warranted remove that notation, retaining that it is in the eastern Mediterranean. Note that my changes have been minor; however, others have not been and seem not to be an improvement and therefore, require a lot more consensus than has been demonstrated so far. Before reverting again to a "factually correct" -- and fallacious -- version, please provide evidence to justify why. Corticopia 18:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I am rather sorry to have played a part in precipitating such a firestorm. To be honest, my intention upon returning this evening was to try to be accomodating to Corticopia, taking to heart his(her?) initial response to my comments yesterday. I especially considered his counsel regarding assuaging the editors and respecting political realities. But his later comments appear to belie such motivations, and a threat to revert three times a day until he gets his way is highly questionable. I certainly wouldn't expect that my opinion should govern, and I would guess that no one should within Wikipedia.
One thing -- I fail to see what is "fallacious" about what is written in the opening at this point. The word "Eurasia" is back in, and "Middle East" is out, which means that the "Geography of Cyprus" article will have to be changed. I'll try to get to that tomorrow (if anyone has suggestions, please go to it). I don't think I can be objectively helpful this evening. Also tomorrow I will try to digest the numerous changes entered by Diego -- some of which appear helpful but others not so much, and some even appearing to be random additions or subtractions of links. Thanks, Saraalan 03:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Corticopia - could you please stop marking edits to disputed areas as "minor"? That function is meant to enable people to filter out unimportant and uncontentious grammar or spelling tweaks. Given the length of the discussion above, it's clear that almost any change to the opening paragraph will be considered contentious. Also, changing the facts on the page (for instance the change from East to east-south-east) would normally not be considered as minor. It's a pain for other users, who would as a matter of course ignore minor edits. Vizjim 09:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The map of Cyprus in the infobox shows all of the areas claimed by the Republic of Cyprus (including the areas controlled by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus), but the map of PRC shown in the infobox at PRC only includes the areas controlled by the PRC (the areas claimed by the PRC but controlled by the ROC are left out). This seems inconsistent. ( Stefan2 ( talk) 13:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC))
I have added some citation requests in the religion section, mostly because I am interested in seeing that data. I have added some general warnings in the education section because of things such as:
which surely constitute original research or subjective claims. Also, mentions of the need for private tuition in the case of public school students could really use some evidence, despite the fact that it is well-known to Cypriots. In fact, the whole Education section could do with a re-write. AstarothCY ( talk) 15:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The Ottoman history section is strongly biased against Cyprus' Ottoman rule period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.175.51.146 ( talk) 09:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this text needs reworking. First it says the island is de jure split in two, between Cyprus and the UK. But then it says the UK part is a de facto separation. It's either one or the other.
I humbly propose:
☆ CieloEstrellado 09:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I have changed the president of the Republic to Dimitris Christofias according to the election results with 53.5% of the vote. User:Whitemagick 16:12, 24 February 2008
This section seems to be irrelevant and uninformative. I also suspect that some people may be using it as "advertising space". The section should mention relevant things, such as what traditional Cyprus music is like, how it relates to the culture, what sort of music is popular on the island today and only mention very few names of very important artists. The main Music article should elaborate on details and can list more artists, but notability standards should be maintained. AstarothCY ( talk) 23:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This has been going on for long enough. What can be done to end this ridiculous situation? AstarothCY ( talk) 18:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The fact that Cyprus is the only country with a communist president in the EU shouldn't be in the first paragraph. It's just a trivia fact and not so important to be included in the begining of the article, if you still want it in the page then you could put it somewhere else maybe at the politics of the country. Cyprus having a communist leader doesn't mean that it's like USSR or China or all the other communist countries. I never herd of anyone getting food with coupons and also as far as I know I still own my house and have all my bank accounts and Cyprus always and even now has capitalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankateif ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently IP 86.143.172.123 has changed the state of the article in a way that it uses the term intervention rather than invasion. I am wondering, if that makes the article more or less POV. Tomeasy ( talk) 07:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The new date for April 2008 concerning Cyprus showed a GDP PPP projection of 38.535 billion and a GDP PPP per capita of 48,990.660! Either this is due to the conversion of the EURO bringing in fact a massive increase in purchasing power or the data are simply flawed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.32.101 ( talk) 15:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for rewriting the article in order to make it smaller. I should say, however, that the rewrite unfortunately has extensive grammatical errors and does not read very well. I really appreciate your effort but I am not sure whether we should revert to the version before the rewrite and attempt the rewrite again, or try and fix this one. Is anyone willing to help review the whole article closely? AstarothCY ( talk) 10:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
"As of today, there are 1,534 Greek Cypriots [15]and 502 Turkish Cypriots [16] missing with the events of the summer of 1974 dominating the politics on the island and the Greco-Turkish relations."
"In 1878, on the aftermath of the disastrous Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878), administration but not sovereignty of the island, was ceded to British Empire, as a base in case of a renewed Russian aggression."
Who says i am not (assuming good faith)?If i didn't i wouldn't be here. I just said sth obvious.That this is a better base for further improvement than the last version and everyone is free to contribute. I can see your objections (and to same extent i agree) but they are not grammatical mistakes. Anyway it's good that there is someone to work with, about this article.Cheers -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 07:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The article states "Cyprus is the only country to display its land area on its flag". Christmas Island is another country to do so. (The flag of Antarctica also displays its land area, but Antarctica is in no snse a country.) Maproom 21:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Christmas Island is a territory of Australia and not a country. That may still leave some ambiguity. In the article, I linked the term "country" to the Wikipedia entry defining it. Do you still think this is too unclear? Maybe the statement isn't really useful? Thanks, Saraalan 00:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
No, you are right, Christmas Island is not a country. I was misled by its having a domain code. Maproom 09:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have been wondering (not only about the flag of Cyprus, but also about country flags in general): what is on the back of Cyprus' flag? Is it plain white, or the same design in reverse, or what? (I ask because some countries' flags have an abstract pattern, which then gets shown in reverse on the back, like the US flag, while other countries with a pictorial design, like Albania's symmetrical design, can be shown in reverse on the back without any problem. But when the design is 'pictorial' (not an abstract pattern) and not symmetrical -- what is the default for the back of the flag?) Wikiway ( talk) 17:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The back of the flag is the same as the front of the flag - otherwise in the wind it would look kinda funny don't you think? :) As for being the only country - well that's a tricky one. Kosovo, albeit not yet recognized by the UN tho recognized by quite a few different countries not including the Republic of Cyprus, has its map on the flag as well. In fact, this is mentioned over at the Kosovo article. -- Ubardak ( talk) 01:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please edit the Cyprus page to remove the current vandalism (visible June 26th 2008)? I checked the source code, and there is currently a div set to appear on top of the page content blocking the whole screen, with a huge ascii/table image in it.
I was able to get to the edit page by using a Firefox extension to disable various page colours, but because the page is semi protected, I can't make the change myself.
Can someone else please take care of it?
-- Zenbuffy ( talk) 15:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
The etas (η) should either be transcribed as ē or i NOT ī. -- Kupirijo ( talk) 21:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello friends i from india and i want to setlle down in cyprus . i am a bussiness man i want to work n the cyprus what is best way to setlle in cyprus.i love cyprus.i am still bachlors because i want first to settle in cyprus then after i will marry other wise not. my email : acharyamanish@sify.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.21.3 ( talk) 15:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the climate of Cyprus? Lehasa ( talk) 21:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the links http://www.hr-action.org/chr/ECHR01.html and http://www.hr-action.org/chr/ECHR02.html, which purport to lead to the text of European Commission on Human Rights reports. In fact, they lead to an odd web page which has links to a jumble of sites on various unrelated issues, including Armenian Genocide, Air Travel, and Real Estate Training (!) If the reports in question can be found among the links on those pages, it certainly isn't apparent (there is a link called Cyprus Invasion but if you follow it you just get to a bunch more links, none of which seem to be to such reports.) If anyone wants to include links to those reports, please insert URLs that actually lead to them. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 14:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why so many Cyprus topics (like "reasons for rejecting the referendum") are shunted off to separate articles. If the reason is that it seems easier to handle controversy that way, I think it's a bad reason. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 00:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I shall be updating the demographic article on Cyprus due to new Statistics on the behalf of the EU for 2008 as there are still not governmental ones. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/PGP_PRD_CAT_PREREL/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2008/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2008_MONTH_08/3-26082008-EN-AP.PDF WhiteMagick ( talk) 14:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Update on the population of Cyprus according to Government and EU estimations which coincide. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-QA-08-049/EN/KS-QA-08-049-EN.PDF —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteMagick ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I was doing research for school, and I could not find anything regarding ethnic groups in Cyprus. Is there any info regarding that?
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14:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
"...which lost it temporarily to the Arabs in 643 AD before reclaiming it in 966 AD." I could not help a smile. 350 years! I guess "temporary" can be a relative term.-- Murat ( talk) 23:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
They can understand Turkish language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.163.21 ( talk) 19:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I see an edit war being waged over the spelling of recogni*e. I think that warriors on both sides have misunderstood the situation. I should like to ppoint out that
I am not committed to Oxford spelling. If someone can produce a good reason who Cambridge spelling is appropriate, then fine. But at present, I'm in favour of this version [9] as it's consistent, even though I'm not convinced by the editor's argument.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 16:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
If you look into the CIA World factbook, it will say that Cyrus is under the title of developing country rather than a developed country based on IMF standard [6]. Though Cyrus is a good country according to Quality-of-life index measured by the Economist Intelligence Unit, the sentence in the introduction that "the Republic of Cyrus is a developed country" should be removed or modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ijriims ( talk • contribs) 07:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
The question has been solved by myself when I look into more details: it seems that the data in CIA World Factbook 2008 is not up-to-dated and the source from IMF Oct 08 listed Cyrus under the category of advanced economies already [7]. But still there is no mention of Cyrus being a developed country. At best, it is just one of the advanced economies.
Anon 82.44.78.16 (22:51, 11 November 2008) called our attention to the fact that Cyprus was granted independence on 16 August 1960, but Independence Day is celebrated on 1 October, because 16 August falls just after a Greek religious festival. I have reflected this information in the Infobox, but if someone could find a verifiable source I think we should also include it in the main text. Any ideas? -- Zlerman ( talk) 02:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
If you follow this link to the Cypriot Parliament Website it confirms date of actual Independence from the UK is the 16/08/1960 21:24, 12 November 2008
http://www.parliament.cy/parliamenteng/index.htm
I am removing the unsupported version for phonetic alphabet of the name 'Cyprus' in the heading, not least to remove noise from the article. -- Laocoont ( talk) 20:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi all
I have just reverted a couple of edits from an editor who matched the figures to the claims that the CIA factbook took their figures for Greek/Turkish/Other from the info an editor put onto the Wiki page (see Talk:Demographics_of_Cyprus).
The CIA factbook [10] states the figures came from 2001.
Demographics article here was started Feb 2002, and the Cyprus article, started Nov 2001, had these figures in Feb 2002 "81% Greek Cypriot and 19% Turkish Cypriot"
I have reverted the edit on that basis. I am aware that the CIA factbook does not always contain correct up-to-date information, (see Talk:Argentina - subject demographics), but as that is the reference used and the edit I reverted was not supported by a reference so rather than leave potentially incorrect info with "citation needed" I chose to remove it.
If there is a subsequent census quoted, or the CIA chooses to update the factbook, which includes all the island and is from a trusted reliable source then I think it should be discussed and consensus formed before the article is changed.
Thanks -- Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The government of Republic of Cyprus is the only internationnaly recognised government on the island and questioning it's records and statistics implies that you also do not recognise it as the official government. Even the EU to which it is a member does not question them. In addition you know that the Republic of Cyprus does not exercise its control in the northern part because it is occupied by turkish troops. The government can only make estimates of the Turkish Cypriots in the occupied parts by taking into account their population before the Invasion of 1974 and make estimates according to emigration and birth rates. Added to this the government also relies its records on the number of Turkish Cypriots who own IDs and Passports of the Republic. The census in the occupied parts includes thousands of settlers and turkish troops. Added to this it counts as Turkish Cypriots all the settlers it gave citizenship to. Thus all this makes their census wholy inaccurate. The final and actual number of Turkish Cypriots will be decided only when there is a settlement on the Cyprus Problem which involves the return of many settlers and the elimination of foreign troops. Until then you will suffice with the actual data of the Republic of Cyprus as they are released.
Finally you claim that no changes will be made however you took the liberty of deleting whole sentences in the Demographics section before the discussion is finalised. -- WhiteMagick ( talk) 16:10, 18 February 2009
PS If the Turkish army left, how would that affect the residents ? any immigrants who had come from the mainland would not be counted as citizens I assume, but those that were originally citizens of the Republic and their children would I suppose?
The publication provides comparable time series data (in many cases since 1960) for several socio-economic themes such as Economy, Inflation, Population, Social Conditions, Labour, External Trade, Agriculture, Industry, Construction, Energy, Environment, Transport, Tourism, Trade, Science and Technology, Information Society.
What part of Try not to turn this into an argument did you not understand?
Important stuff - the wording of the addition
Lastly, I did ask you to try and not turn this into anything other than a discussion, so stop attacking me - it is not my fault that when I go to the page linked and follow the link on there I cannot get the article you use as the quote, I will tell you once more that you simply need to use the "book" style citation instead of the "web" style. You do not need to keep going on about trying to access the PDF so please do not mention that again. I am sure that others will read it and if they think the figures you quote are incorrect they will change them.-- Chaosdruid ( talk)
To the extent that both Enosis and Taksim can easily be translated with English terms (something like repatriation and partition), it doesn't seem necessary to use them throughout the article. Rather, providing the term once to ensure the clear association with the notion as it pertains to Cyprus specifically with whatever English term is chosen, and then proceeding with the English would make the article read much more smoothly. Manicsleeper ( talk) 23:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok. This is how the demographics section should read:
According to the first census carried out by the Republic of Cyprus in 1960 the country had a total population of 573,566. Greek Cypriots comprised 77% or 441,568 of the island's population, Turkish Cypriots 18% or 103,822, Armenians 3,627 or 0.6%, Maronites 2,706 or 0.4% and 4% or 24,408 being foreigners[1] [10]. However, after the Turkish invasion of 1974, the demography of the island changed considerably due to the economic prosperity in the areas of Cyprus still under the control of the Republic of Cyprus in contrast to the international isolation and economic downturn experienced the areas under the control of Turkish troops.
In the last Census by the Republic in 2001 the population of the Republic of Cyprus (in the areas under its control) stood at 689,565. Greek Cypriots were 618,455 or 89.7%, Armenians were 1,341 or 0.2%, Maronites were 3,568 or 0.5%, Latins were 279 or 0.04%, Turkish Cypriots were 360 or 0.06%, 661 or 0.1% of unknown origin and finally foreigners numbered 64,811 or 9.4% of the total population [2] [11]. The five biggest groups of foreign citizens in Cyprus in 2001 were 17,459 Greeks from the Hellenic Republic, 11,870 British citizens, 4,952 Russians, 4,939 from Sri Lanka and 3,245 from the Philippines[2] [11]. The massive decline in the number of Turkish Cypriots is due to the division as a result of the 1974 invasion by Turkey. Greek Cypriots moved into the areas under the control of the Republic of Cyprus while Turkish Cypriots moved into the areas under the occupation and control of Turkish troops. The Republic estimated that in 2001 there were 87,700 Turkish Cypriots in North Cyprus[3] [12]. The decline is due to an estimated 36,000 Turkish Cypriots who emigrated [9] [13]
In the last estimation of its population the Republic of Cyprus reported a total population of 789,300 showing a jump of almost 100,000 since the last census [4] [12] Greek Cypriots were estimated to be 665,223 or 84.3% of the population which also includes an estimated 2500-3000 Armenians [5] [14], 6000 Maronites [6] [15] and 2000 Latins [7] [16] since they chose to be a member of the Greek community of Cyprus according to its constituion. Foreigners were a total of 124,077 or 15,72%; almost a doubling since 2001 due to the entry of Cyprus in the European Union. The five biggest groups of foreigners in the Republic of Cyprus are 37,604 Greeks, 26,661 UK citizens, 9,991 Russians, 4,146 Poles and 3,733 Bulgarians while 11,323 people are of unknown origin [8] [17]. The estimate in 2007 for Turkish Cypriots is 90,000 [3] [12].
This part we could include in the main Demographics Article:
According to a census carried out in the beginning of 2006 by the Turkish Cypriot administration, the TRNC has a population of 265,100[10] [18] of which majority is composed of indigenous Turkish Cypriots, with the rest including a large number of settlers from Turkey. Of the 178,000 Turkish Cypriot citizens, 82% are native Cypriots (145,000). Of the 45,000 people born to non-Cypriot parentage, nearly 40% (17,000) were born in Cyprus. The figure for non-citizens, including students, guest workers and temporary residents stood at 78,000 people.[10] [18][11] [19]
References: [1] http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/21.htm [2] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/805CB6E0CF012914C2257122003F3A84/$file/MAIN%20RESULTS-EN.xls?OpenElement [3] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/8B6B6163A4A61D3BC225753E0033D015/$file/ABSTRACT_2007.pdf?OpenElement pg72 [4] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/8B6B6163A4A61D3BC225753E0033D015/$file/ABSTRACT_2007.pdf?OpenElement pg73 [5] http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/All/EA264B3D6D24E808C2257028003644BA?OpenDocument [6] http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/All/837ED638FD32587BC22570280033E67F?OpenDocument [7] http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/All/6CB99B1257738B60C22570280037228D?OpenDocument [8] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/8B6B6163A4A61D3BC225753E0033D015/$file/ABSTRACT_2007.pdf?OpenElement pg83-88 [9] Quoted after the Euromosaic report, a study commissioned by the European Commission ([1]PDF (120 KiB) [10] TRNC General Population and Housing Unit Census 2006, TRNC State Planning Organization, updated 7 October 2008. [11] Simon Bahceli (2007-02-15). "Indigenous Turkish Cypriots just over half north’s population". Cyprus Mail. http://cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=30725&cat_id=1. Retrieved on 2007-02-16.
-- WhiteMagick ( talk) 15:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I think this is how this should read
According to the first census carried out by the Republic of Cyprus in 1960 the country had a total population of 573,566. Greek Cypriots comprised 77% or 441,568 of the island's population, Turkish Cypriots 18% or 103,822, Armenians 3,627 or 0.6%, Maronites 2,706 or 0.4% and 4% or 24,408 being other nationals[1]. However after the separation of the island by 1974 the demography had changed considerably due to population movement into the different areas of control.
In the last Census of 2001 from the Republic of Cyprus the population was 777,265. Greek Cypriots were 618,455 or 79.6%, Turkish Cypriots were 88,006 (360 in the south and an estimated 87,700 in the north) or 11.3%, Armenians were 1,341 or 0.2%, Maronites were 3,568 or 0.5%, Latins <--what exactly is a latin ???--> were 279 or 0.004%, 661 or 0.09% of unknown origin and finally people from other nationalities numbered 64,811 or 8.3% of the total population [2]. The five biggest groups of citizens of other nationalities in Cyprus in 2001 were 17,459 Greeks from the Hellenic Republic, 11,870 British citizens, 4,952 Russians, 4,939 from Sri Lanka and 3,245 from the Philippines[2].
In the last estimation of its population the Republic of Cyprus reported a total population of 879,300 showing a jump of almost 100,000 since the last census [4] Greek Cypriots were estimated to be 665,223 or 75.7% of the population (this figure includes an estimated 2500-3000 Armenians [5], 6000 Maronites [6] and 2000 Latins <--what exactly is a latin ???--> [7] who chose Cypriot citizenship <--If they chose Greek citizenship then they should be in the Greek figures at the end-->), Turkish Cypriots 90,000 (estimated) or 10.2% and European nationals totalling 124,077 or 14.1% which is almost double since 2001 due to the entry of Cyprus in the European Union. The five biggest groups of residents of other countries in the Republic of Cyprus are 37,604 Greeks, 26,661 UK citizens, 9,991 Russians, 4,146 Poles and 3,733 Bulgarians while 11,323 people are of unknown origin [8].
-- Chaosdruid ( talk) 02:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the first population census after the declaration of independence, carried out in December 1960 and covering the entire island, Cyprus had a total population of 573,566, with Greek Cypriots comprising 77% of the island's population and Turkish Cypriots 18% (other nationals accounted for the remaining 5%) [20]. According to the last census covering the entire island (April 1973), the population of Cyprus was 631,778 with the Turkish Cypriots estimated at 19% of the total (about 120,000). [21].
The subsequent censuses conducted in 1976-2001 after the de facto division of the island covered only the population in the area controlled by the Republic of Cyprus government, and the number of Turkish Cypriots (residing mainly in Northern Cyprus) was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service based on population growth rates and migration data. In the last census of 2001 carried out by the Republic of Cyprus, the population in the area controlled by the government was 703,529. The island’s total population as of the end of 2001 was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service at 793,100, with 11% (87,600) Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus. [21] The latest available estimates by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service put the island’s total population at the end of 2006 at 867,600, with 89.8% in the government controlled area and 10.2% (88,900) Turkish Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. [21] Republic of Cyprus estimates thus show a steadily declining share of Turkish Cypriots in the island’s population, from 19% in 1974 to 10% in 2006.
According to the 2006 population census carried out by the government of Northern Cyprus, the total population of TRNC is 265,100, i.e., three times as high as the estimate of Turkish Cypriots by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service [22] Combining the TRNC data for Northern Cyprus (265,100) with the 2006 estimate of the population in the area controlled by the Republic of Cyprus government (778,700), we obtain an estimate of over 1 million for the island’s population (1,043,800), of which 25% are Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus.
According to the first population census after the declaration of independence, carried out in December 1960 and covering the entire island, Cyprus had a total population of 573,566, with Greek Cypriots comprising 77% of the island's population and Turkish Cypriots 18% (other nationals accounted for the remaining 5%) [23]. According to the last census covering the entire island (April 1973), the population of Cyprus was 631,778 with the Turkish Cypriots estimated at 19% of the total (about 120,000). [21].
The subsequent censuses conducted in 1976-2001 after the de facto division of the island covered only the population in the area controlled by the Republic of Cyprus government, and the number of Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service based on population growth rates and migration data. In the last census of 2001 carried out by the Republic of Cyprus, the population in the area controlled by the government was 703,529. The number of Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service at 87,600, or 11% of the total. [21]
The latest available estimates by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service put the island’s population at the end of 2006 at 867,600, with 89.8% (778,700) in the government controlled area and 10.2% (88,900) Turkish Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. [21] However, the Republic of Cyprus estimate of Turkish Cypriots does not represent the total population of Northern Cyprus. In addition, the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service also estimated that 150,000-160,000 Turkish immigrants (“illegal settlers” in the language of the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Abstract 2007, p. 72) were living in Northern Cyprus, bringing the de facto population of Northern Cyprus to about 250,000. This estimate produced by the Republic of Cyprus matches the results of the 2006 population census carried out by the government of Northern Cyprus, which gives 265,100 as the total population of TRNC. [22] The total population of Cyprus is thus slightly over 1 million, comprising 778,700 in the territory controlled by the government of the Republic of Cyprus and 265,100 in the territory controlled by the government of TRNC.
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Under the "Military" section, please can someone replace the image of a US marine helicopter (captioned oddly "The US embassy in Cyprus") with something more directly related to the Cyprus National Guard? Occamy 14:58, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone please clean up for me the confusion between Southwest Asia, Europe, the Middle East and Central Eurasia, all of which regions seem to include Cyprus. Is one or both of these articles incorrect? Or are all these areas overlapping? Or is it something else? Thanks Vizjim 08:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Cyprus culturally belongs to Europe, geographically it's south-eastern Europe or western Asia, any of the two. But politically and generally, Cyprus is the southeastern border of Europe. Nikosextra 12:26, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Cyprus is not and never has been geographically a part of Europe under any definition. It is a part of Asia (the Middle East, or South-East Asia), historically and currently. Europe is not a political entity so I dont see the context to claim it is politically a part of anything larger, the EU is not a political entity (at least not yet). And to say it is culturally a part of Europe is to ignore the large Turkish population in the north which have set up their own republic and since Turks are from Asia that would put them culturally as Asians. To say it's part of Europe is simply cosmetic to make Cyprus appear better because of the stigma associated with being from the Middle East (or Southeast Asia as more commonly used nowadays but which leaves out Egypt). 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 03:12, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I am new at this, so please forgive me if I don't enter my comments in the correct way. After reading various iterations of this article, I still question the term "styling itself". Why not use the simpler phrase "calling itself"? "Styling itself" carries POV connotations that are not necessary. There is nothing gained by hinting that the TRNC government is playing at pretense or dressing itself up. If "calling itself" is too weak, then further clarification can be added without using loaded terminolgy. I could suggest "calling itself the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (although recognized by no nation other than the Republic of Turkey)." Saraalan 01:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Given no replies, I made the change and removed the loaded terminology. Saraalan 04:42, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
In reference to the responses I have been receiving after tagging this section for cleanup, my rationale is quite simple. In addition to the overall cleanup temp at the top of the page, this section has no sub-headings and really, to be honest, needs some smaller text in bolder referring to the next paragraph. At the moment, the section looks like an essay and is really quite simple to fix by the people who do actually know what they're talking about. And seen as I don't know much about post-war independence in Cyprus, I'd appreciate someone who does to add further sub-headings. You can do so by adding ====Sub-section heading====. Also one more thing this section would also benefit from sub-section headings. Thanks. Onnaghar tl ! co 15:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Stylistic editing of this section has been the most difficult so far. The timeline of the previous version had the 4 March 1964 Security Council resolution sending the peacekeeping force, followed by other factors that precipitated the 4 March 1964 Security resolution sending the peacekeeping force, so I tried to straighten that out. Please let me know of any issues or problems with my editing. Thanks. Saraalan 01:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
By the way, what happened between 1965 and 1974? Thanks, Saraalan 02:40, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Some smart ass had written the following in the beginning of the second paragraph of the main article: "Greek military junta and genocide against Turkish Cypriots of that period,". The claim that Greeks committed a genocide against the Turks is ludicrous, to say the least, and I will not even go into who has committed what genocides over the past aeon. In short, I removed the offending text so it reads "Greek military junta".—Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.218.4.62 ( talk • contribs) 14:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
This section of the Cyprus article includes the phrase, "In the process over 160,000 Greek Cypriots who made up the overwhelming majority of the population of these areas were ethnically cleansed." The term "ethnically cleansed" is unclear, as is the fate of the 160,000 persons. The Sunday Times article referenced discusses mass killings (as well as the torture and rape) of Greek Cypriots and says that 170,000 persons became refugees, unable to return to their homes in the north.
Given this, I would prefer to say something like, "In the process, large numbers of Greek Cypriots were victims of mass killings, and 170,000 were evicted from their homes and forced to move to Greek Cypriot-held territory."
If "were victims of mass killings" is too strong or considered unsupported, then perhaps "lost their lives".
This proposed change is an attempt to clarify and not to change content. Please let me know if you have any issues with this proposed change. Thanks, Saraalan 03:05, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Given no response, I have made the change as outlined. Saraalan 02:23, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
The fourth paragraph sort of makes it sound like the U.K. bases are not de jure, while the bullet says the U.K. maintained jurisdiction, which would seem to be de jure. I'm not sure how that could be fixed without some clumsy language, but I may be able to come up with something. If you have thoughts regarding this, please let me know. Thanks, Saraalan 04:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Change made with minor change to the wording. Please let me know if you don't think this is satisfactory. Thanks, Saraalan 16:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
After a lot of search I have finally found the Gini Coefficient for Cyprus. It stood at 29 at 2004 which is very good since the optimum is considered to be 25 (?) Please add it.
Link: http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/3FF386B73F87AF46C22572F00028C49D/$file/EUSILC_05.pdf?OpenElement (In greek) User:WhiteMagick 11:40 16 Oct 2007 (GMT)
The article states that the English language is widely spoken & understood all over Cyprus, exactly to which extent is it spread (ie - are textbooks in schools in the English language) and is there any chance in the future that it may be adopted as a third official language? - Soprani 09:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Given the changes over time to the introductory wording about location, I have attempted to clarify the location of Cyprus in a manner similar to other island country articles (see Malta and Jamaica) and tie the opener to the geography section of the article as well as to the Geography of Cyprus article. Looking at a map, Cyprus is in the corner of the Mediterranean surrounded by Turkey, Syria, and Lebanon, so I think those would be the best reference points. Please let me know if you see any problem with the wording. Thanks, Saraalan 01:11, 6 November 2007 (UTC) P.S. I considered using the phrase "geographically part of the Middle East while politically more a part of Europe", but I decided to use " European Union" instead. I'm interested in what others think about this. Thanks, Saraalan 01:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have reverted this verbosity. Fudging and unsourced opinionating aside, recent edits have merely added unnecessary, redundant, even misleading details and have the potential of further politicising the introduction. Debatably, Cyprus isn't part of the Middle East (see that article); as well, some sources identify Cyprus as part of Europe (which is commonly reckoned as a continent, technically or otherwise), perhaps because Cyprus is a member of the EU (which, with the prior edit, is now duplicated in the introduction.) Physiographically, not geographically (which is rather general), Cyprus is part of Asia. Is it truly difficult to grasp or note that Cyprus is closest to Turkey (per Geography of Cyprus et al.), without throwing in the kitchen sink as is proposed? If extreme brevity is warranted remove that notation, retaining that it is in the eastern Mediterranean. Note that my changes have been minor; however, others have not been and seem not to be an improvement and therefore, require a lot more consensus than has been demonstrated so far. Before reverting again to a "factually correct" -- and fallacious -- version, please provide evidence to justify why. Corticopia 18:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I am rather sorry to have played a part in precipitating such a firestorm. To be honest, my intention upon returning this evening was to try to be accomodating to Corticopia, taking to heart his(her?) initial response to my comments yesterday. I especially considered his counsel regarding assuaging the editors and respecting political realities. But his later comments appear to belie such motivations, and a threat to revert three times a day until he gets his way is highly questionable. I certainly wouldn't expect that my opinion should govern, and I would guess that no one should within Wikipedia.
One thing -- I fail to see what is "fallacious" about what is written in the opening at this point. The word "Eurasia" is back in, and "Middle East" is out, which means that the "Geography of Cyprus" article will have to be changed. I'll try to get to that tomorrow (if anyone has suggestions, please go to it). I don't think I can be objectively helpful this evening. Also tomorrow I will try to digest the numerous changes entered by Diego -- some of which appear helpful but others not so much, and some even appearing to be random additions or subtractions of links. Thanks, Saraalan 03:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Corticopia - could you please stop marking edits to disputed areas as "minor"? That function is meant to enable people to filter out unimportant and uncontentious grammar or spelling tweaks. Given the length of the discussion above, it's clear that almost any change to the opening paragraph will be considered contentious. Also, changing the facts on the page (for instance the change from East to east-south-east) would normally not be considered as minor. It's a pain for other users, who would as a matter of course ignore minor edits. Vizjim 09:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
The map of Cyprus in the infobox shows all of the areas claimed by the Republic of Cyprus (including the areas controlled by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus), but the map of PRC shown in the infobox at PRC only includes the areas controlled by the PRC (the areas claimed by the PRC but controlled by the ROC are left out). This seems inconsistent. ( Stefan2 ( talk) 13:30, 25 November 2007 (UTC))
I have added some citation requests in the religion section, mostly because I am interested in seeing that data. I have added some general warnings in the education section because of things such as:
which surely constitute original research or subjective claims. Also, mentions of the need for private tuition in the case of public school students could really use some evidence, despite the fact that it is well-known to Cypriots. In fact, the whole Education section could do with a re-write. AstarothCY ( talk) 15:53, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
The Ottoman history section is strongly biased against Cyprus' Ottoman rule period. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.175.51.146 ( talk) 09:55, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I think this text needs reworking. First it says the island is de jure split in two, between Cyprus and the UK. But then it says the UK part is a de facto separation. It's either one or the other.
I humbly propose:
☆ CieloEstrellado 09:08, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I have changed the president of the Republic to Dimitris Christofias according to the election results with 53.5% of the vote. User:Whitemagick 16:12, 24 February 2008
This section seems to be irrelevant and uninformative. I also suspect that some people may be using it as "advertising space". The section should mention relevant things, such as what traditional Cyprus music is like, how it relates to the culture, what sort of music is popular on the island today and only mention very few names of very important artists. The main Music article should elaborate on details and can list more artists, but notability standards should be maintained. AstarothCY ( talk) 23:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
This has been going on for long enough. What can be done to end this ridiculous situation? AstarothCY ( talk) 18:28, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
The fact that Cyprus is the only country with a communist president in the EU shouldn't be in the first paragraph. It's just a trivia fact and not so important to be included in the begining of the article, if you still want it in the page then you could put it somewhere else maybe at the politics of the country. Cyprus having a communist leader doesn't mean that it's like USSR or China or all the other communist countries. I never herd of anyone getting food with coupons and also as far as I know I still own my house and have all my bank accounts and Cyprus always and even now has capitalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankateif ( talk • contribs) 05:38, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently IP 86.143.172.123 has changed the state of the article in a way that it uses the term intervention rather than invasion. I am wondering, if that makes the article more or less POV. Tomeasy ( talk) 07:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The new date for April 2008 concerning Cyprus showed a GDP PPP projection of 38.535 billion and a GDP PPP per capita of 48,990.660! Either this is due to the conversion of the EURO bringing in fact a massive increase in purchasing power or the data are simply flawed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.7.32.101 ( talk) 15:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for rewriting the article in order to make it smaller. I should say, however, that the rewrite unfortunately has extensive grammatical errors and does not read very well. I really appreciate your effort but I am not sure whether we should revert to the version before the rewrite and attempt the rewrite again, or try and fix this one. Is anyone willing to help review the whole article closely? AstarothCY ( talk) 10:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
"As of today, there are 1,534 Greek Cypriots [15]and 502 Turkish Cypriots [16] missing with the events of the summer of 1974 dominating the politics on the island and the Greco-Turkish relations."
"In 1878, on the aftermath of the disastrous Russo-Turkish War (1877–1878), administration but not sovereignty of the island, was ceded to British Empire, as a base in case of a renewed Russian aggression."
Who says i am not (assuming good faith)?If i didn't i wouldn't be here. I just said sth obvious.That this is a better base for further improvement than the last version and everyone is free to contribute. I can see your objections (and to same extent i agree) but they are not grammatical mistakes. Anyway it's good that there is someone to work with, about this article.Cheers -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 07:38, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
The article states "Cyprus is the only country to display its land area on its flag". Christmas Island is another country to do so. (The flag of Antarctica also displays its land area, but Antarctica is in no snse a country.) Maproom 21:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Christmas Island is a territory of Australia and not a country. That may still leave some ambiguity. In the article, I linked the term "country" to the Wikipedia entry defining it. Do you still think this is too unclear? Maybe the statement isn't really useful? Thanks, Saraalan 00:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
No, you are right, Christmas Island is not a country. I was misled by its having a domain code. Maproom 09:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I have been wondering (not only about the flag of Cyprus, but also about country flags in general): what is on the back of Cyprus' flag? Is it plain white, or the same design in reverse, or what? (I ask because some countries' flags have an abstract pattern, which then gets shown in reverse on the back, like the US flag, while other countries with a pictorial design, like Albania's symmetrical design, can be shown in reverse on the back without any problem. But when the design is 'pictorial' (not an abstract pattern) and not symmetrical -- what is the default for the back of the flag?) Wikiway ( talk) 17:38, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
The back of the flag is the same as the front of the flag - otherwise in the wind it would look kinda funny don't you think? :) As for being the only country - well that's a tricky one. Kosovo, albeit not yet recognized by the UN tho recognized by quite a few different countries not including the Republic of Cyprus, has its map on the flag as well. In fact, this is mentioned over at the Kosovo article. -- Ubardak ( talk) 01:22, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Can someone please edit the Cyprus page to remove the current vandalism (visible June 26th 2008)? I checked the source code, and there is currently a div set to appear on top of the page content blocking the whole screen, with a huge ascii/table image in it.
I was able to get to the edit page by using a Firefox extension to disable various page colours, but because the page is semi protected, I can't make the change myself.
Can someone else please take care of it?
-- Zenbuffy ( talk) 15:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
The etas (η) should either be transcribed as ē or i NOT ī. -- Kupirijo ( talk) 21:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello friends i from india and i want to setlle down in cyprus . i am a bussiness man i want to work n the cyprus what is best way to setlle in cyprus.i love cyprus.i am still bachlors because i want first to settle in cyprus then after i will marry other wise not. my email : acharyamanish@sify.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.225.21.3 ( talk) 15:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the climate of Cyprus? Lehasa ( talk) 21:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the links http://www.hr-action.org/chr/ECHR01.html and http://www.hr-action.org/chr/ECHR02.html, which purport to lead to the text of European Commission on Human Rights reports. In fact, they lead to an odd web page which has links to a jumble of sites on various unrelated issues, including Armenian Genocide, Air Travel, and Real Estate Training (!) If the reports in question can be found among the links on those pages, it certainly isn't apparent (there is a link called Cyprus Invasion but if you follow it you just get to a bunch more links, none of which seem to be to such reports.) If anyone wants to include links to those reports, please insert URLs that actually lead to them. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 14:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't understand why so many Cyprus topics (like "reasons for rejecting the referendum") are shunted off to separate articles. If the reason is that it seems easier to handle controversy that way, I think it's a bad reason. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 00:09, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I shall be updating the demographic article on Cyprus due to new Statistics on the behalf of the EU for 2008 as there are still not governmental ones. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/PGP_PRD_CAT_PREREL/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2008/PGE_CAT_PREREL_YEAR_2008_MONTH_08/3-26082008-EN-AP.PDF WhiteMagick ( talk) 14:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Update on the population of Cyprus according to Government and EU estimations which coincide. http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_OFFPUB/KS-QA-08-049/EN/KS-QA-08-049-EN.PDF —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteMagick ( talk • contribs) 13:56, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I was doing research for school, and I could not find anything regarding ethnic groups in Cyprus. Is there any info regarding that?
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"...which lost it temporarily to the Arabs in 643 AD before reclaiming it in 966 AD." I could not help a smile. 350 years! I guess "temporary" can be a relative term.-- Murat ( talk) 23:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
They can understand Turkish language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.6.163.21 ( talk) 19:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I see an edit war being waged over the spelling of recogni*e. I think that warriors on both sides have misunderstood the situation. I should like to ppoint out that
I am not committed to Oxford spelling. If someone can produce a good reason who Cambridge spelling is appropriate, then fine. But at present, I'm in favour of this version [9] as it's consistent, even though I'm not convinced by the editor's argument.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 16:44, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
If you look into the CIA World factbook, it will say that Cyrus is under the title of developing country rather than a developed country based on IMF standard [6]. Though Cyrus is a good country according to Quality-of-life index measured by the Economist Intelligence Unit, the sentence in the introduction that "the Republic of Cyrus is a developed country" should be removed or modified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ijriims ( talk • contribs) 07:40, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
The question has been solved by myself when I look into more details: it seems that the data in CIA World Factbook 2008 is not up-to-dated and the source from IMF Oct 08 listed Cyrus under the category of advanced economies already [7]. But still there is no mention of Cyrus being a developed country. At best, it is just one of the advanced economies.
Anon 82.44.78.16 (22:51, 11 November 2008) called our attention to the fact that Cyprus was granted independence on 16 August 1960, but Independence Day is celebrated on 1 October, because 16 August falls just after a Greek religious festival. I have reflected this information in the Infobox, but if someone could find a verifiable source I think we should also include it in the main text. Any ideas? -- Zlerman ( talk) 02:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
If you follow this link to the Cypriot Parliament Website it confirms date of actual Independence from the UK is the 16/08/1960 21:24, 12 November 2008
http://www.parliament.cy/parliamenteng/index.htm
I am removing the unsupported version for phonetic alphabet of the name 'Cyprus' in the heading, not least to remove noise from the article. -- Laocoont ( talk) 20:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi all
I have just reverted a couple of edits from an editor who matched the figures to the claims that the CIA factbook took their figures for Greek/Turkish/Other from the info an editor put onto the Wiki page (see Talk:Demographics_of_Cyprus).
The CIA factbook [10] states the figures came from 2001.
Demographics article here was started Feb 2002, and the Cyprus article, started Nov 2001, had these figures in Feb 2002 "81% Greek Cypriot and 19% Turkish Cypriot"
I have reverted the edit on that basis. I am aware that the CIA factbook does not always contain correct up-to-date information, (see Talk:Argentina - subject demographics), but as that is the reference used and the edit I reverted was not supported by a reference so rather than leave potentially incorrect info with "citation needed" I chose to remove it.
If there is a subsequent census quoted, or the CIA chooses to update the factbook, which includes all the island and is from a trusted reliable source then I think it should be discussed and consensus formed before the article is changed.
Thanks -- Chaosdruid ( talk) 21:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
The government of Republic of Cyprus is the only internationnaly recognised government on the island and questioning it's records and statistics implies that you also do not recognise it as the official government. Even the EU to which it is a member does not question them. In addition you know that the Republic of Cyprus does not exercise its control in the northern part because it is occupied by turkish troops. The government can only make estimates of the Turkish Cypriots in the occupied parts by taking into account their population before the Invasion of 1974 and make estimates according to emigration and birth rates. Added to this the government also relies its records on the number of Turkish Cypriots who own IDs and Passports of the Republic. The census in the occupied parts includes thousands of settlers and turkish troops. Added to this it counts as Turkish Cypriots all the settlers it gave citizenship to. Thus all this makes their census wholy inaccurate. The final and actual number of Turkish Cypriots will be decided only when there is a settlement on the Cyprus Problem which involves the return of many settlers and the elimination of foreign troops. Until then you will suffice with the actual data of the Republic of Cyprus as they are released.
Finally you claim that no changes will be made however you took the liberty of deleting whole sentences in the Demographics section before the discussion is finalised. -- WhiteMagick ( talk) 16:10, 18 February 2009
PS If the Turkish army left, how would that affect the residents ? any immigrants who had come from the mainland would not be counted as citizens I assume, but those that were originally citizens of the Republic and their children would I suppose?
The publication provides comparable time series data (in many cases since 1960) for several socio-economic themes such as Economy, Inflation, Population, Social Conditions, Labour, External Trade, Agriculture, Industry, Construction, Energy, Environment, Transport, Tourism, Trade, Science and Technology, Information Society.
What part of Try not to turn this into an argument did you not understand?
Important stuff - the wording of the addition
Lastly, I did ask you to try and not turn this into anything other than a discussion, so stop attacking me - it is not my fault that when I go to the page linked and follow the link on there I cannot get the article you use as the quote, I will tell you once more that you simply need to use the "book" style citation instead of the "web" style. You do not need to keep going on about trying to access the PDF so please do not mention that again. I am sure that others will read it and if they think the figures you quote are incorrect they will change them.-- Chaosdruid ( talk)
To the extent that both Enosis and Taksim can easily be translated with English terms (something like repatriation and partition), it doesn't seem necessary to use them throughout the article. Rather, providing the term once to ensure the clear association with the notion as it pertains to Cyprus specifically with whatever English term is chosen, and then proceeding with the English would make the article read much more smoothly. Manicsleeper ( talk) 23:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Ok. This is how the demographics section should read:
According to the first census carried out by the Republic of Cyprus in 1960 the country had a total population of 573,566. Greek Cypriots comprised 77% or 441,568 of the island's population, Turkish Cypriots 18% or 103,822, Armenians 3,627 or 0.6%, Maronites 2,706 or 0.4% and 4% or 24,408 being foreigners[1] [10]. However, after the Turkish invasion of 1974, the demography of the island changed considerably due to the economic prosperity in the areas of Cyprus still under the control of the Republic of Cyprus in contrast to the international isolation and economic downturn experienced the areas under the control of Turkish troops.
In the last Census by the Republic in 2001 the population of the Republic of Cyprus (in the areas under its control) stood at 689,565. Greek Cypriots were 618,455 or 89.7%, Armenians were 1,341 or 0.2%, Maronites were 3,568 or 0.5%, Latins were 279 or 0.04%, Turkish Cypriots were 360 or 0.06%, 661 or 0.1% of unknown origin and finally foreigners numbered 64,811 or 9.4% of the total population [2] [11]. The five biggest groups of foreign citizens in Cyprus in 2001 were 17,459 Greeks from the Hellenic Republic, 11,870 British citizens, 4,952 Russians, 4,939 from Sri Lanka and 3,245 from the Philippines[2] [11]. The massive decline in the number of Turkish Cypriots is due to the division as a result of the 1974 invasion by Turkey. Greek Cypriots moved into the areas under the control of the Republic of Cyprus while Turkish Cypriots moved into the areas under the occupation and control of Turkish troops. The Republic estimated that in 2001 there were 87,700 Turkish Cypriots in North Cyprus[3] [12]. The decline is due to an estimated 36,000 Turkish Cypriots who emigrated [9] [13]
In the last estimation of its population the Republic of Cyprus reported a total population of 789,300 showing a jump of almost 100,000 since the last census [4] [12] Greek Cypriots were estimated to be 665,223 or 84.3% of the population which also includes an estimated 2500-3000 Armenians [5] [14], 6000 Maronites [6] [15] and 2000 Latins [7] [16] since they chose to be a member of the Greek community of Cyprus according to its constituion. Foreigners were a total of 124,077 or 15,72%; almost a doubling since 2001 due to the entry of Cyprus in the European Union. The five biggest groups of foreigners in the Republic of Cyprus are 37,604 Greeks, 26,661 UK citizens, 9,991 Russians, 4,146 Poles and 3,733 Bulgarians while 11,323 people are of unknown origin [8] [17]. The estimate in 2007 for Turkish Cypriots is 90,000 [3] [12].
This part we could include in the main Demographics Article:
According to a census carried out in the beginning of 2006 by the Turkish Cypriot administration, the TRNC has a population of 265,100[10] [18] of which majority is composed of indigenous Turkish Cypriots, with the rest including a large number of settlers from Turkey. Of the 178,000 Turkish Cypriot citizens, 82% are native Cypriots (145,000). Of the 45,000 people born to non-Cypriot parentage, nearly 40% (17,000) were born in Cyprus. The figure for non-citizens, including students, guest workers and temporary residents stood at 78,000 people.[10] [18][11] [19]
References: [1] http://countrystudies.us/cyprus/21.htm [2] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/805CB6E0CF012914C2257122003F3A84/$file/MAIN%20RESULTS-EN.xls?OpenElement [3] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/8B6B6163A4A61D3BC225753E0033D015/$file/ABSTRACT_2007.pdf?OpenElement pg72 [4] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/8B6B6163A4A61D3BC225753E0033D015/$file/ABSTRACT_2007.pdf?OpenElement pg73 [5] http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/All/EA264B3D6D24E808C2257028003644BA?OpenDocument [6] http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/All/837ED638FD32587BC22570280033E67F?OpenDocument [7] http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal.nsf/All/6CB99B1257738B60C22570280037228D?OpenDocument [8] http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statistics.nsf/All/8B6B6163A4A61D3BC225753E0033D015/$file/ABSTRACT_2007.pdf?OpenElement pg83-88 [9] Quoted after the Euromosaic report, a study commissioned by the European Commission ([1]PDF (120 KiB) [10] TRNC General Population and Housing Unit Census 2006, TRNC State Planning Organization, updated 7 October 2008. [11] Simon Bahceli (2007-02-15). "Indigenous Turkish Cypriots just over half north’s population". Cyprus Mail. http://cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=30725&cat_id=1. Retrieved on 2007-02-16.
-- WhiteMagick ( talk) 15:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I think this is how this should read
According to the first census carried out by the Republic of Cyprus in 1960 the country had a total population of 573,566. Greek Cypriots comprised 77% or 441,568 of the island's population, Turkish Cypriots 18% or 103,822, Armenians 3,627 or 0.6%, Maronites 2,706 or 0.4% and 4% or 24,408 being other nationals[1]. However after the separation of the island by 1974 the demography had changed considerably due to population movement into the different areas of control.
In the last Census of 2001 from the Republic of Cyprus the population was 777,265. Greek Cypriots were 618,455 or 79.6%, Turkish Cypriots were 88,006 (360 in the south and an estimated 87,700 in the north) or 11.3%, Armenians were 1,341 or 0.2%, Maronites were 3,568 or 0.5%, Latins <--what exactly is a latin ???--> were 279 or 0.004%, 661 or 0.09% of unknown origin and finally people from other nationalities numbered 64,811 or 8.3% of the total population [2]. The five biggest groups of citizens of other nationalities in Cyprus in 2001 were 17,459 Greeks from the Hellenic Republic, 11,870 British citizens, 4,952 Russians, 4,939 from Sri Lanka and 3,245 from the Philippines[2].
In the last estimation of its population the Republic of Cyprus reported a total population of 879,300 showing a jump of almost 100,000 since the last census [4] Greek Cypriots were estimated to be 665,223 or 75.7% of the population (this figure includes an estimated 2500-3000 Armenians [5], 6000 Maronites [6] and 2000 Latins <--what exactly is a latin ???--> [7] who chose Cypriot citizenship <--If they chose Greek citizenship then they should be in the Greek figures at the end-->), Turkish Cypriots 90,000 (estimated) or 10.2% and European nationals totalling 124,077 or 14.1% which is almost double since 2001 due to the entry of Cyprus in the European Union. The five biggest groups of residents of other countries in the Republic of Cyprus are 37,604 Greeks, 26,661 UK citizens, 9,991 Russians, 4,146 Poles and 3,733 Bulgarians while 11,323 people are of unknown origin [8].
-- Chaosdruid ( talk) 02:21, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
According to the first population census after the declaration of independence, carried out in December 1960 and covering the entire island, Cyprus had a total population of 573,566, with Greek Cypriots comprising 77% of the island's population and Turkish Cypriots 18% (other nationals accounted for the remaining 5%) [20]. According to the last census covering the entire island (April 1973), the population of Cyprus was 631,778 with the Turkish Cypriots estimated at 19% of the total (about 120,000). [21].
The subsequent censuses conducted in 1976-2001 after the de facto division of the island covered only the population in the area controlled by the Republic of Cyprus government, and the number of Turkish Cypriots (residing mainly in Northern Cyprus) was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service based on population growth rates and migration data. In the last census of 2001 carried out by the Republic of Cyprus, the population in the area controlled by the government was 703,529. The island’s total population as of the end of 2001 was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service at 793,100, with 11% (87,600) Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus. [21] The latest available estimates by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service put the island’s total population at the end of 2006 at 867,600, with 89.8% in the government controlled area and 10.2% (88,900) Turkish Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. [21] Republic of Cyprus estimates thus show a steadily declining share of Turkish Cypriots in the island’s population, from 19% in 1974 to 10% in 2006.
According to the 2006 population census carried out by the government of Northern Cyprus, the total population of TRNC is 265,100, i.e., three times as high as the estimate of Turkish Cypriots by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service [22] Combining the TRNC data for Northern Cyprus (265,100) with the 2006 estimate of the population in the area controlled by the Republic of Cyprus government (778,700), we obtain an estimate of over 1 million for the island’s population (1,043,800), of which 25% are Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus.
According to the first population census after the declaration of independence, carried out in December 1960 and covering the entire island, Cyprus had a total population of 573,566, with Greek Cypriots comprising 77% of the island's population and Turkish Cypriots 18% (other nationals accounted for the remaining 5%) [23]. According to the last census covering the entire island (April 1973), the population of Cyprus was 631,778 with the Turkish Cypriots estimated at 19% of the total (about 120,000). [21].
The subsequent censuses conducted in 1976-2001 after the de facto division of the island covered only the population in the area controlled by the Republic of Cyprus government, and the number of Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service based on population growth rates and migration data. In the last census of 2001 carried out by the Republic of Cyprus, the population in the area controlled by the government was 703,529. The number of Turkish Cypriots residing in Northern Cyprus was estimated by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service at 87,600, or 11% of the total. [21]
The latest available estimates by the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service put the island’s population at the end of 2006 at 867,600, with 89.8% (778,700) in the government controlled area and 10.2% (88,900) Turkish Cypriots in Northern Cyprus. [21] However, the Republic of Cyprus estimate of Turkish Cypriots does not represent the total population of Northern Cyprus. In addition, the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Service also estimated that 150,000-160,000 Turkish immigrants (“illegal settlers” in the language of the Republic of Cyprus Statistical Abstract 2007, p. 72) were living in Northern Cyprus, bringing the de facto population of Northern Cyprus to about 250,000. This estimate produced by the Republic of Cyprus matches the results of the 2006 population census carried out by the government of Northern Cyprus, which gives 265,100 as the total population of TRNC. [22] The total population of Cyprus is thus slightly over 1 million, comprising 778,700 in the territory controlled by the government of the Republic of Cyprus and 265,100 in the territory controlled by the government of TRNC.
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