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English & Turkish Names for Places in the northern Cyprus territory occupied currently by Turkish Troops since the invassion of 1974.
Nicosia -> Lefkoşa (Greek: Lefkosia/Λευκωσία)
Kyrenia -> Girne (Greek: Kerynia/Κερύνεια)
Famagusta -> Gazi Magoşa (Greek: Ammochostos/Αμμόχωστος)
Please note that Nicosia and Famagusta are both parts of the "TRNC" and the Republic of Cyprus, they have been slpit unevenly between the two sides since the 1974 Turkish invasion with the majority of Nicosia under RoC control and the majority of Famagusta under "TRNC" control. Nicosia is the capital of both "states".
see List of cities in Cyprus for names in Turkish, Greek and English for the whole island -- Yak 10:26, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I wonder why the historical tect keeps coming back in the introductory page. Why do we need the History section then?
The name derives from the ancient Greek word for copper, large deposits of which are found on Cyprus.
I'm in full agreement with Malbi, copper is named after Cyprus NOT the other way round. the text contests that the name cyprus is derived from the ancient Greek word for copper, that clearly is not the case as copper in greek is called Xalkos/Halkos. Romans used copper extensively and they recieved their copper from cyprus and was known as the metal of Cyprus. in latin it was 'aes Cyprium'- the 'metal of cyprus', it was shortened to cyprium and then corrupted to cuprum. This is the relationship between copper and cyprus. WILL SOME ONE PLEASE CORRECT THIS!
see --> http://www.copper.org/education/60centuries/raw_material/thename.html -- G3, 10 Jul 2004
One anonymous user wrote:
EU in Direct Contact With Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
Verheugen: Turkish Military to Remain in Cyprus
Tourism Monopoly Of Southern Cyprus Will Break On May 1
Sports Embargo on Cyprus to Be Lifted
Turkish Cypriots appeal for legitimacy
Turkey Embarks on Offensive against Embargo
EU moves to end north?s isolation
Greek Cypriots vote against reunification
EU 'to work with Turkish Cyprus
I doubt that all of the follwing (removed) text is true; needs linguistic copy-editing in any case:
After 24 April 2004, Turkish Republic of Norhern Cyprus is acknowledged by many countries including United States and some of European Union (EU) members that depicted that they will relax the embargo on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. EU also declared that Green Line, separating Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Greek Authority of Southern Cyprus, will be the border of union beginning from 1 May 2004. -- 217.44.142.129 21:37, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Another anonymous user wrote:
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus does not exist and it is nothing but an illussion. It is an illegal entity not regognized by the United Nations or any other other civilized country of the World community other than Turkey that help create this illegal entity after the immensely "barbaric" invassion of Cyprus by the Turkish troops in 1974.
Ironically, European Union (EU) Commissioner for Enlargement Günther Verheugen announced today that the Turkish military will remain in the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC)" and that number of troops would be increased. Verheugen also said that the European Commission (EC) would open a representative office in TRNC. He enumerated several proposals that the Union had on the table, including taking precautionary measures for the unification of the island, allowing for continuous and serious financial assistance to TRNC, and reviewing the legal framework that would make all of these possible. He failed to realize however that EU does not have the legal power to execute such effort with the northern Cyprus since a unanimous will be necessary for any of these measures are to take place and that would be totally impossible.
Turkish State Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Mehmet Ali Sahin said: "The international sports embargo imposed upon the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will certainly be removed." Turkish Youth and Sports General Director Mehmet Atalay reiterated that he had always sought to separate sport from politics. "Although many communities join in international sports activities all over the world, TRNC has been deprived of this right. The recent political developments are taking us away from this embargo," he said. However, if Turkey is really interested in ending the embargo they should end the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus and begin to enter the "civilized" World.
Turkish Cypriots appeal for legitimacy but to no avail!
Turkey Embarks on Offensive against Embargo but if Turkey is really interested in ending the embargo they should end the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus and begin to enter the "civilized" World. Only and only then Turkey may be succesful in it's aspirations for ending the embargo impossed on northen Cyprus and furthermore in it's most ambitious jorney to become a member of the EU, which it can not happen since Turkey can never be considered as part of Europe as it remains an Asian teritory!
Wishfull thinking: EU moves to end norths isolation
Greek Cypriots voted against reunification with the nothern cyprus territory that is occupied by the invading turkish forces since 1974, because they do have the right to self determination as a free and world recognized legitimate entity on the island of Cyprus
After 24 April 2004, many tend to claim that the "Turkish Republic of Norhern Cyprus" is acknowledged by many countries including United States and some of European Union (EU) members that depicted that they will relax the embargo on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. However, for any territory in this world to become a legal entity and be called a "country" it must be recognized by the United Nations and the countries that make this world and not just be "acknowledged". Therefore, the so called TRNC remains just a territory that is recognized only by Turkey, the country that help create it!
The Republic of Cyprus is the only Country on Cyprus that is recognized internationally it has a legal democratic government and as of May 1, 2004 it became a legitimate member of the European Union. The fact that anyone (including the EU or others)wishes to help the territory of Norther Cyprus become a "better" place, it does not mean that it regognizes it as a legitimate country or territory. -- Jakro64 17:41, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
...or Africa!!! - A. Cyp.
Cyprus is not a European country. She is a part of Asia! -- Jakro64 17:41, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
-- Yak 15:28, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
LOL! true... but dont most Australians consider themselves being of European extraction? this is also the case with most cypriots!
strictly geographically speaking i have already said cyprus is part of the Asian continent (if islands can be tied to a continent).... but civilizationally (western civilisation), culturally and ethnically (predominantly greek), linguistically (majority of population speak an indo-european language) and politically (EU member state) it is part of Europe-- considering the above there is little doubt why Cypriots consider themselves European -- G3
The reason many Cypriots consider themselves European is because as any Middle Eastern will tell you, it is clearly a better bet economically to be in Europe than the Middle East. The other arguments about culture, ethnicicity and politics are misleading at best...
As a Cypriot I consider myself to be African, Asian and European, which is my understanding of the Middle East...isn't it time we all became Middle Eastern ;)
Japhet is the mythical progenitor of all Europeans, so it makes them related to the Germans and French as well, but where does that get us? -- Yak 15:28, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Someone should fix the page to resemble the WikiProject Countries template, with the existing text in the first section. -- Shallot 17:43, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It seems that nobody has adjusted the page because of the naming dispute, at least the status page vaguely indicates so. Right now, we're preferring the Republic of Cyprus as "Cyprus". Although the talk page Talk:Cyprus still redirects to Talk:Republic of Cyprus, this could just be a remnant of a non-admin page move. In any event, regardless of under which title it is, the RoC should have the template applied. -- Shallot 15:17, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The talk page couldn't be moved without admin intervention, indeed; fixed now. -- Joy [shallot] 21:08, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I believe that some part of the Political Division section are hardly showing a NPOV. Without entering into the argument itself, in
"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a righteous state, though unfairly recognized only by Turkey."
words like righteous and unfairly introduce a bias in the tone that is not neutral. On the other hand a bit like
The northern third was freed by Turkey in a 1974 peace operation following a coup sponsored by the military regime of Greece aiming to unite the island with greece and destroy the turkish cypriot nation. The Turkish Cypriots, freed by the Turkish Army proclaimed its independence in 1975
looks a little like some old-style Soviet propaganda rather than a neutral explanation.
alessio 03:51, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An anonymous contributor wrote:
Turkish Cypriots are a free nation with their seperate self determination right.If we want to have our state no one can stop us from having it.We are free and independent and shall be so as long as Cyprus exists, there's no legal or peaceful way of making us accept that Cyprus can be represented unilaterally by Greeks as the Cyprus Republic.
Papadopoulos is not our President he is the president of South Cyprus, we did not vote at the elections he was chosen as the "President of Cyprus" so he does not represent us and he cannot represent the whole island.
Imagine a situation where slovaks would forcibly be expelled from Chekoslovakia but the Cheks would go on calling themselves Chekoslovakia how funny that would be.This is what happens in Cyprus.
We'll never ever accept greeks calling themselves the Cyprus Republic although one of the two equal owners are not represented in that Statelet.
We'll fight for our freedom, sovereignty and political equality to the end of the time, it's your choice(greeks) whether to accept the truth earlier or later.
Contributions on the history of 1963-1974(which is barely presented in this article) will be much more usefull than statements like "TRNC is a righteous state". Consider adding more info and the turkish cypriot point of view in Polycarpos Georgadjis, EOKA, Makarios III etc. Mavros
Mdmcginn, Thank you for these constructive statements, i'll do so from now on. But the term Cyprus does not refer to a single country it only refers to the island of Cyprus from the point of view of the vast majority of the turkish cypriots.So if the encyplopedia refers to the Greek Occupied Illegal 'Cyprus Republic' as Cyprus then the majority of Turkish Cypriots will be forced to make major changes to the Article.I dont have much time now, soon i'll start making changes with NPOV. The turkish cypriot nation would not be forced to make this kind of changes if the greek cypriot president or greeces national anthem was not shown as the president of the Turkish Cypriots or the anthem of the TCs.
Mavros, You're right.
i have deleted the information given about the so called cyprus republic on the right side of the page because of the fact that someone insistently keeps on editing the equality feautures which previously existed there such as President: North Cyprus: Rauf Denktas - South Cyprus: Tassos Papadopulous
A seperate page should exist named Republic of Cyprus. There shall be links from the Cyprus page to both Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the detter so that both points are equally represented.
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
English & Turkish Names for Places in the northern Cyprus territory occupied currently by Turkish Troops since the invassion of 1974.
Nicosia -> Lefkoşa (Greek: Lefkosia/Λευκωσία)
Kyrenia -> Girne (Greek: Kerynia/Κερύνεια)
Famagusta -> Gazi Magoşa (Greek: Ammochostos/Αμμόχωστος)
Please note that Nicosia and Famagusta are both parts of the "TRNC" and the Republic of Cyprus, they have been slpit unevenly between the two sides since the 1974 Turkish invasion with the majority of Nicosia under RoC control and the majority of Famagusta under "TRNC" control. Nicosia is the capital of both "states".
see List of cities in Cyprus for names in Turkish, Greek and English for the whole island -- Yak 10:26, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)
I wonder why the historical tect keeps coming back in the introductory page. Why do we need the History section then?
The name derives from the ancient Greek word for copper, large deposits of which are found on Cyprus.
I'm in full agreement with Malbi, copper is named after Cyprus NOT the other way round. the text contests that the name cyprus is derived from the ancient Greek word for copper, that clearly is not the case as copper in greek is called Xalkos/Halkos. Romans used copper extensively and they recieved their copper from cyprus and was known as the metal of Cyprus. in latin it was 'aes Cyprium'- the 'metal of cyprus', it was shortened to cyprium and then corrupted to cuprum. This is the relationship between copper and cyprus. WILL SOME ONE PLEASE CORRECT THIS!
see --> http://www.copper.org/education/60centuries/raw_material/thename.html -- G3, 10 Jul 2004
One anonymous user wrote:
EU in Direct Contact With Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus
Verheugen: Turkish Military to Remain in Cyprus
Tourism Monopoly Of Southern Cyprus Will Break On May 1
Sports Embargo on Cyprus to Be Lifted
Turkish Cypriots appeal for legitimacy
Turkey Embarks on Offensive against Embargo
EU moves to end north?s isolation
Greek Cypriots vote against reunification
EU 'to work with Turkish Cyprus
I doubt that all of the follwing (removed) text is true; needs linguistic copy-editing in any case:
After 24 April 2004, Turkish Republic of Norhern Cyprus is acknowledged by many countries including United States and some of European Union (EU) members that depicted that they will relax the embargo on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. EU also declared that Green Line, separating Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and Greek Authority of Southern Cyprus, will be the border of union beginning from 1 May 2004. -- 217.44.142.129 21:37, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Another anonymous user wrote:
Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus does not exist and it is nothing but an illussion. It is an illegal entity not regognized by the United Nations or any other other civilized country of the World community other than Turkey that help create this illegal entity after the immensely "barbaric" invassion of Cyprus by the Turkish troops in 1974.
Ironically, European Union (EU) Commissioner for Enlargement Günther Verheugen announced today that the Turkish military will remain in the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC)" and that number of troops would be increased. Verheugen also said that the European Commission (EC) would open a representative office in TRNC. He enumerated several proposals that the Union had on the table, including taking precautionary measures for the unification of the island, allowing for continuous and serious financial assistance to TRNC, and reviewing the legal framework that would make all of these possible. He failed to realize however that EU does not have the legal power to execute such effort with the northern Cyprus since a unanimous will be necessary for any of these measures are to take place and that would be totally impossible.
Turkish State Minister and Deputy Prime Minister Mehmet Ali Sahin said: "The international sports embargo imposed upon the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will certainly be removed." Turkish Youth and Sports General Director Mehmet Atalay reiterated that he had always sought to separate sport from politics. "Although many communities join in international sports activities all over the world, TRNC has been deprived of this right. The recent political developments are taking us away from this embargo," he said. However, if Turkey is really interested in ending the embargo they should end the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus and begin to enter the "civilized" World.
Turkish Cypriots appeal for legitimacy but to no avail!
Turkey Embarks on Offensive against Embargo but if Turkey is really interested in ending the embargo they should end the illegal occupation of northern Cyprus and begin to enter the "civilized" World. Only and only then Turkey may be succesful in it's aspirations for ending the embargo impossed on northen Cyprus and furthermore in it's most ambitious jorney to become a member of the EU, which it can not happen since Turkey can never be considered as part of Europe as it remains an Asian teritory!
Wishfull thinking: EU moves to end norths isolation
Greek Cypriots voted against reunification with the nothern cyprus territory that is occupied by the invading turkish forces since 1974, because they do have the right to self determination as a free and world recognized legitimate entity on the island of Cyprus
After 24 April 2004, many tend to claim that the "Turkish Republic of Norhern Cyprus" is acknowledged by many countries including United States and some of European Union (EU) members that depicted that they will relax the embargo on Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. However, for any territory in this world to become a legal entity and be called a "country" it must be recognized by the United Nations and the countries that make this world and not just be "acknowledged". Therefore, the so called TRNC remains just a territory that is recognized only by Turkey, the country that help create it!
The Republic of Cyprus is the only Country on Cyprus that is recognized internationally it has a legal democratic government and as of May 1, 2004 it became a legitimate member of the European Union. The fact that anyone (including the EU or others)wishes to help the territory of Norther Cyprus become a "better" place, it does not mean that it regognizes it as a legitimate country or territory. -- Jakro64 17:41, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
...or Africa!!! - A. Cyp.
Cyprus is not a European country. She is a part of Asia! -- Jakro64 17:41, 4 Jun 2004 (UTC)
-- Yak 15:28, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
LOL! true... but dont most Australians consider themselves being of European extraction? this is also the case with most cypriots!
strictly geographically speaking i have already said cyprus is part of the Asian continent (if islands can be tied to a continent).... but civilizationally (western civilisation), culturally and ethnically (predominantly greek), linguistically (majority of population speak an indo-european language) and politically (EU member state) it is part of Europe-- considering the above there is little doubt why Cypriots consider themselves European -- G3
The reason many Cypriots consider themselves European is because as any Middle Eastern will tell you, it is clearly a better bet economically to be in Europe than the Middle East. The other arguments about culture, ethnicicity and politics are misleading at best...
As a Cypriot I consider myself to be African, Asian and European, which is my understanding of the Middle East...isn't it time we all became Middle Eastern ;)
Japhet is the mythical progenitor of all Europeans, so it makes them related to the Germans and French as well, but where does that get us? -- Yak 15:28, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Someone should fix the page to resemble the WikiProject Countries template, with the existing text in the first section. -- Shallot 17:43, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It seems that nobody has adjusted the page because of the naming dispute, at least the status page vaguely indicates so. Right now, we're preferring the Republic of Cyprus as "Cyprus". Although the talk page Talk:Cyprus still redirects to Talk:Republic of Cyprus, this could just be a remnant of a non-admin page move. In any event, regardless of under which title it is, the RoC should have the template applied. -- Shallot 15:17, 3 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The talk page couldn't be moved without admin intervention, indeed; fixed now. -- Joy [shallot] 21:08, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I believe that some part of the Political Division section are hardly showing a NPOV. Without entering into the argument itself, in
"The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is a righteous state, though unfairly recognized only by Turkey."
words like righteous and unfairly introduce a bias in the tone that is not neutral. On the other hand a bit like
The northern third was freed by Turkey in a 1974 peace operation following a coup sponsored by the military regime of Greece aiming to unite the island with greece and destroy the turkish cypriot nation. The Turkish Cypriots, freed by the Turkish Army proclaimed its independence in 1975
looks a little like some old-style Soviet propaganda rather than a neutral explanation.
alessio 03:51, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
An anonymous contributor wrote:
Turkish Cypriots are a free nation with their seperate self determination right.If we want to have our state no one can stop us from having it.We are free and independent and shall be so as long as Cyprus exists, there's no legal or peaceful way of making us accept that Cyprus can be represented unilaterally by Greeks as the Cyprus Republic.
Papadopoulos is not our President he is the president of South Cyprus, we did not vote at the elections he was chosen as the "President of Cyprus" so he does not represent us and he cannot represent the whole island.
Imagine a situation where slovaks would forcibly be expelled from Chekoslovakia but the Cheks would go on calling themselves Chekoslovakia how funny that would be.This is what happens in Cyprus.
We'll never ever accept greeks calling themselves the Cyprus Republic although one of the two equal owners are not represented in that Statelet.
We'll fight for our freedom, sovereignty and political equality to the end of the time, it's your choice(greeks) whether to accept the truth earlier or later.
Contributions on the history of 1963-1974(which is barely presented in this article) will be much more usefull than statements like "TRNC is a righteous state". Consider adding more info and the turkish cypriot point of view in Polycarpos Georgadjis, EOKA, Makarios III etc. Mavros
Mdmcginn, Thank you for these constructive statements, i'll do so from now on. But the term Cyprus does not refer to a single country it only refers to the island of Cyprus from the point of view of the vast majority of the turkish cypriots.So if the encyplopedia refers to the Greek Occupied Illegal 'Cyprus Republic' as Cyprus then the majority of Turkish Cypriots will be forced to make major changes to the Article.I dont have much time now, soon i'll start making changes with NPOV. The turkish cypriot nation would not be forced to make this kind of changes if the greek cypriot president or greeces national anthem was not shown as the president of the Turkish Cypriots or the anthem of the TCs.
Mavros, You're right.
i have deleted the information given about the so called cyprus republic on the right side of the page because of the fact that someone insistently keeps on editing the equality feautures which previously existed there such as President: North Cyprus: Rauf Denktas - South Cyprus: Tassos Papadopulous
A seperate page should exist named Republic of Cyprus. There shall be links from the Cyprus page to both Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the detter so that both points are equally represented.