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Nice work, Ambi! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
She also became engaged to partner Garth Kydd
Does that sound a little tautological (unless I've misread what "partner" means)? Andjam 11:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
This issue is one of the problems of having reviewers who know nothing about the subject at hand. In this case, defection was the term near-universally used in the media. She made preparations to re-sign with the Kestrels, and at the last minute chose to instead sign with their local rivals. I really don't see how, in this context, the term "defection" is pejorative. "Transfer" implies a formal league process, impliedly also one with the consent of the club. This was plainly not the case here, and to repeatedly introduce that wording is to introduce inaccuracies into the text. Rebecca 03:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think "transfer" would be accurate, while "defection" portrays how it was controversial. A simple "left" or "leaving" could be better to use, but I couldn't come up with a good sentence that would still convey what is meant; "controversial" and "local rivals" isn't enough. — Centrx→ talk • 04:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, everybody, can we chill the incivility? I have rewritten the intro in a way that (IMHO) captures the facts while putting the characterization of "defection" in the mouths of the media. IMO, "defection" is a pejorative word. It is often associated with being a "traitor". Thus, calling Cynna Kydd a defector is a POV stance. What makes it OK is that a lot of people in Melbourne thought (think) this of her. What's important here is that we document that this is not just the opinion of a few Wikipedia editors but that it was the opinion of the Melbourne media and presumably of a large section of the Melbourne population who cared about this sort of thing. There's nothing wrong with expressing pejorative judgments in Wikipedia as long as those judgments are sourced. Citations are even better.
-- Richard 16:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't appreciate Rebecca falsely accusing me of vandalism. Cyanna Neele is a quite legitimate name of this person, and a quite legitimate possibility for the article name. In fact, it was already indexed in categories under that name, even though it wasn't what you saw if you looked at those categories, before I changed it.
But then when I found out there wasn't even a redirect from that name, so that if someone entered that name into the "Go" box it wouldn't work, or if someone linked to that name in an article it would be a redlink, it called for immediate attention.
At least after her reversion, things didn't go back to the totally unacceptable status which existed previously. Now that formerly missing redirect does exist. Gene Nygaard 03:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Any chance of a free photo? [3]. — Matt Crypto 10:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice to see an FA about an Australian netball player :) However, I find the tone a bit too sympathetic. There's a constant stream of "she failed to do X, probably because of Y". Disappointing form? Nerves associated with captaincy! Couldn't get a job? Must have been her netball commitments. Cut from the national team? "The national squad was at the time enjoying an unusual glut of strikers". I find this tone just a bit too sympathetic - if she didn't make the national team, it's obviously because she wasn't good enough, for example. Stevage 10:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this person a featured article? Its crazy, nobody outside of Australia has heard of her. I demand a new featured article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.136.209 ( talk • contribs) 13:06 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree!
This article may be well structured, but the triviality of its content is so extreme that it turns me off opening the Wikipedia.
amazing how this became a FA??-- TheFEARgod 13:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That this should be a wikipedia featured article degrades the entire Wikipedia project. An article about an obscure player of an obscure sport is about as important (for an international, widely-read website) as an article about a high school swim-meet or someone's cat. This is a major downturn for wikipedia. -- 86.192.102.116 23:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
It is a blatant waste to use the featured article section of the main page soley to showcase the current state of the art in writing wikipedia articles when you can easily have a two fold approach whereby you feature a well written article, and also, perhaps even more importantly for readers and not just editors, you feature a subject that has many interesting flow on articles...the feature article is just too valuable a piece of main page real eastate to waste on a matter so shallow as one woman's six year hobby of being a netball player, it is simply terrible that this happens. Especially since tens of thousands view wikipedia for the first time each day at its current huge growth rate, the amount of eyeballs viewing the main page is priceless, and if this really is about human knowledge, than some topic of human knowledge with at least and ideally some major depth of field should be featured. If this is becoming a pattern, and by the gist of some comments here I fear it may be, then it surely needs to be addressed in the strongest most possible way. I agree maybe once or twice a month you could have an obscure topic featured, but only if it has some kind of quaint quality to it. The choice of this article here is to be condemned for sure...and I am certain that a great many new users who have visited today for the first time based on all the hype, only to see this featured must surely be left with an anticlimactic sentiment compared to what could happen if you gave them a gateway to some real human knowlege with an expansive coverage with link upon link of depth of field like game theory or anything...anything but this shocking aberration we see featured here today. More thought needs to go into this it is a disgrace. 203.208.88.138 23:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Get more, but most of all, get that fuzzy one OFF here! It's horrific. :|
The very last ref on the page is broken, I've tried to hunt down the page on the site but with no luck, anyone else? --15:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Shes a featured article. She has to be notable. Bakaman Bakatalk 17:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
This is some random netball player, I am sure she is worthy of an article on Wikipedia but an FA. There has to be better things on wiki to make an FA then something like this. Reading this article isn’t really teaching me anything new. I couldn’t careless about a netball player and I am pretty sure most people fell the same. The next thing we know Elmo is going to be an FA or maybe an FA will be on some footballer in the 3rd division. Give me a break wikipedia. I know that the higher ups at wiki are loaded with aussies or kiwi's but still try thinking about the US where netball is hardly known much less followed by anyone. 128.227.11.194 23:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the most important aspect about this not being worthy of FA status isn't the fact that most people don't care about netball, it's moreso that this article simply isn't FA calibre. By bickering over the triviality of the subject, you guys are simply side-stepping the fact that this article just can't compare to the quality of other featured content. CptUnconscious 02:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm an American and I disagree strongly with those who argue that "if Americans don't want to read it, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia and certainly shouldn't be FA". As far as I can tell, this is the English-language Wikipedia, NOT the American Wikipedia. I have to say that I had never heard of netball before the Cynna Kydd article hit the main page but maybe that's one purpose of an encyclopedia... to fill in gaps of knowledge. I'm glad that I now sort of know what netball is. -- Richard 06:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Pretty funny the comments about the importance of the subject of this article. It's probably worth pointing out that netball is the most played women's sport in Australia, and Australia frequently dominates the sport internationally. It's really not an obscure sport, and the Australian team is obviously not obscure, and by the looks of things, this player is one of the more notable within the league. Far more notable than FA's about various suburbs around the place, anyway. Stevage 14:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, this discussion is valuable and all that but it doesn't belong here. Please take this up over at Wikipedia talk:What is a featured article?. Thanks. -- Richard 16:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got news for you all. ANY subject that passes the test for a wikipedia article is potentially a Featured Article. Any Featured Article can potentially appear on the front page. If you don't like that, then stop bitching about this particular article and get a consensus to change the rules on what can become a featured articles and/or which featured articles are to be considered for/placed on the front page. 84.65.213.6 16:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Rebecca,
Can you explain why you reverted this as "manifest silliness"?
The current version uses the word "transfer" which you objected to above. I can't imagine that this is the version that you wanted to revert to.
I am reverting to my latest version but am glad to discuss this if you have a good reason for preferring the current version over my most recent version.
-- Richard 03:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Rebecca, I've been tagged at times for being "marginally uncivil". Your tone has a distinct edge to it that is really grating to the point that it gives me a taste for what it must be like to be on the receiving end of incivility. Can you lose the nasty tone? It's counterproductive.
That said, if I look past the nasty tone, I am beginning to see where you are coming from. I do not have the same concern that Badgerpatrol about using the word "defect" IF that is what most of the sources say. I don't care that it is a pejorative word. Benedict Arnold defected to the British. Many people defected to the other side during the Cold War. If netball fans perceived it as a defection, then call it a defection. Badgerpatrol may disagree with this. We are not necessarily "on the same side".
My text was an attempt to take the section titled "Defection" and summarize it in the lead paragraph. If you want to lose the weasel words, it's OK with me (but maybe not with Badgerpatrol).
You say that two important paragraphs were deleted by Badgerpatrol. He says he didn't do it. Regardless of who did it, I would like to see the two paragraphs that you say were deleted. I am basing most of my editing on what is already in the article so there is a bit of "stumbling in the dark". In particular, I am unable to find any sources about Cynna Kydd's defection via Google search and there don't seem to be any relevant external links in the article itself. I don't have access to archives of Australian newspapers. Can you provide sources either via posting actual text to this Talk Page or providing URLs to link to?
Thanx.
-- Richard 05:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
From The Free Dictionary
intr.v. (d-fkt) de·fect·ed, de·fect·ing, de·fects 1. To disown allegiance to one's country and take up residence in another: a Soviet citizen who defected to Israel. 2. To abandon a position or association, often to join an opposing group: defected from the party over the issue of free trade.
From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
1 : to forsake one cause, party, or nation for another often because of a change in ideology 2 : to leave one situation (as a job) often to go over to a rival <the reporter defected to another network>
Seems obvious from these definitions that "to defect" is a pejorative word. It implies betrayal and treason especially in war but also in business and sports. However, it's OK to use it in a Wikipedia article if there is a general agreement that the word accurately describes what happened.
Now, in sports, the level of betrayal is not great. Do we really expect athletes to be loyal to their team for their entire careers? So, using the word "defect" is a bit hyperbolic. I mean she didn't actually do anything illegal or unethical, did she? No, I don't think so, but sports fans feel strongly about these kinds of things and so her switching to the Phoenix was perceived by the fans and portrayed by the media as a "defection".
Do we need to say all that in the article? Probably not. As Rebecca points out, it's kind of obvious and all those weasel words do make for flabby text. I'd like to have another go at writing an intro that makes everybody happy but I'll wait until Rebecca comments on the points that I've made here.
-- Richard 06:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest, Badgerpatrol, that you consider that "defection" has multiple meanings in different contexts and that, while it is generally pejorative in all contexts, the level of criticism varies with the context. I did a search in Wikipedia for "defection" and came up with this Financial Times Deutschland. Try this. Search on "defection" in Google. You'll find defections from political parties, Dell's defection from Intel to AMD, accounting clients defecting from Andersen after the Enron verdict, cell phone customers defecting from Sprint, etc. Have I proved my case?
-- Richard 05:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
We are having a bit of an edit war because I keep wanting to split this section into two parts: the first part about the actual decision to defect and the second part about Kydd's career with the Phonenix after the decision to sign with them.
What it comes down to is that I view the defection as happening at a single point in time: i.e. the announcement that she had decided to sign with the Phoenix. Rebecca seems to see it as covering the entire first season of playing with the Phoenix and even to cover discussion of her failure to return to international selection.
To this, I can only ask: At what point is the defection "over". Does it cover her entire career with the Phoenix until she retires or "defects" to another team? Or is the defection over at the end of her first year with the Phoenix?
Presumably Kydd has a few years of netball left in her career. Is the rest of her career to be placed under the heading "Defection to the Melbourne Phoenix"?
-- Richard 03:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
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Is anyone willing to update the article so it can meet the current FA criteria? If not, the article may be proposed for review at WP:FAR. RetiredDuke ( talk) 14:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
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Nice work, Ambi! - Ta bu shi da yu 13:03, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
She also became engaged to partner Garth Kydd
Does that sound a little tautological (unless I've misread what "partner" means)? Andjam 11:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
This issue is one of the problems of having reviewers who know nothing about the subject at hand. In this case, defection was the term near-universally used in the media. She made preparations to re-sign with the Kestrels, and at the last minute chose to instead sign with their local rivals. I really don't see how, in this context, the term "defection" is pejorative. "Transfer" implies a formal league process, impliedly also one with the consent of the club. This was plainly not the case here, and to repeatedly introduce that wording is to introduce inaccuracies into the text. Rebecca 03:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't think "transfer" would be accurate, while "defection" portrays how it was controversial. A simple "left" or "leaving" could be better to use, but I couldn't come up with a good sentence that would still convey what is meant; "controversial" and "local rivals" isn't enough. — Centrx→ talk • 04:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, everybody, can we chill the incivility? I have rewritten the intro in a way that (IMHO) captures the facts while putting the characterization of "defection" in the mouths of the media. IMO, "defection" is a pejorative word. It is often associated with being a "traitor". Thus, calling Cynna Kydd a defector is a POV stance. What makes it OK is that a lot of people in Melbourne thought (think) this of her. What's important here is that we document that this is not just the opinion of a few Wikipedia editors but that it was the opinion of the Melbourne media and presumably of a large section of the Melbourne population who cared about this sort of thing. There's nothing wrong with expressing pejorative judgments in Wikipedia as long as those judgments are sourced. Citations are even better.
-- Richard 16:25, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't appreciate Rebecca falsely accusing me of vandalism. Cyanna Neele is a quite legitimate name of this person, and a quite legitimate possibility for the article name. In fact, it was already indexed in categories under that name, even though it wasn't what you saw if you looked at those categories, before I changed it.
But then when I found out there wasn't even a redirect from that name, so that if someone entered that name into the "Go" box it wouldn't work, or if someone linked to that name in an article it would be a redlink, it called for immediate attention.
At least after her reversion, things didn't go back to the totally unacceptable status which existed previously. Now that formerly missing redirect does exist. Gene Nygaard 03:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Any chance of a free photo? [3]. — Matt Crypto 10:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Nice to see an FA about an Australian netball player :) However, I find the tone a bit too sympathetic. There's a constant stream of "she failed to do X, probably because of Y". Disappointing form? Nerves associated with captaincy! Couldn't get a job? Must have been her netball commitments. Cut from the national team? "The national squad was at the time enjoying an unusual glut of strikers". I find this tone just a bit too sympathetic - if she didn't make the national team, it's obviously because she wasn't good enough, for example. Stevage 10:37, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is this person a featured article? Its crazy, nobody outside of Australia has heard of her. I demand a new featured article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.44.136.209 ( talk • contribs) 13:06 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree!
This article may be well structured, but the triviality of its content is so extreme that it turns me off opening the Wikipedia.
amazing how this became a FA??-- TheFEARgod 13:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
That this should be a wikipedia featured article degrades the entire Wikipedia project. An article about an obscure player of an obscure sport is about as important (for an international, widely-read website) as an article about a high school swim-meet or someone's cat. This is a major downturn for wikipedia. -- 86.192.102.116 23:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
It is a blatant waste to use the featured article section of the main page soley to showcase the current state of the art in writing wikipedia articles when you can easily have a two fold approach whereby you feature a well written article, and also, perhaps even more importantly for readers and not just editors, you feature a subject that has many interesting flow on articles...the feature article is just too valuable a piece of main page real eastate to waste on a matter so shallow as one woman's six year hobby of being a netball player, it is simply terrible that this happens. Especially since tens of thousands view wikipedia for the first time each day at its current huge growth rate, the amount of eyeballs viewing the main page is priceless, and if this really is about human knowledge, than some topic of human knowledge with at least and ideally some major depth of field should be featured. If this is becoming a pattern, and by the gist of some comments here I fear it may be, then it surely needs to be addressed in the strongest most possible way. I agree maybe once or twice a month you could have an obscure topic featured, but only if it has some kind of quaint quality to it. The choice of this article here is to be condemned for sure...and I am certain that a great many new users who have visited today for the first time based on all the hype, only to see this featured must surely be left with an anticlimactic sentiment compared to what could happen if you gave them a gateway to some real human knowlege with an expansive coverage with link upon link of depth of field like game theory or anything...anything but this shocking aberration we see featured here today. More thought needs to go into this it is a disgrace. 203.208.88.138 23:18, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Get more, but most of all, get that fuzzy one OFF here! It's horrific. :|
The very last ref on the page is broken, I've tried to hunt down the page on the site but with no luck, anyone else? --15:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Shes a featured article. She has to be notable. Bakaman Bakatalk 17:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
This is some random netball player, I am sure she is worthy of an article on Wikipedia but an FA. There has to be better things on wiki to make an FA then something like this. Reading this article isn’t really teaching me anything new. I couldn’t careless about a netball player and I am pretty sure most people fell the same. The next thing we know Elmo is going to be an FA or maybe an FA will be on some footballer in the 3rd division. Give me a break wikipedia. I know that the higher ups at wiki are loaded with aussies or kiwi's but still try thinking about the US where netball is hardly known much less followed by anyone. 128.227.11.194 23:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I think the most important aspect about this not being worthy of FA status isn't the fact that most people don't care about netball, it's moreso that this article simply isn't FA calibre. By bickering over the triviality of the subject, you guys are simply side-stepping the fact that this article just can't compare to the quality of other featured content. CptUnconscious 02:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm an American and I disagree strongly with those who argue that "if Americans don't want to read it, it doesn't belong in Wikipedia and certainly shouldn't be FA". As far as I can tell, this is the English-language Wikipedia, NOT the American Wikipedia. I have to say that I had never heard of netball before the Cynna Kydd article hit the main page but maybe that's one purpose of an encyclopedia... to fill in gaps of knowledge. I'm glad that I now sort of know what netball is. -- Richard 06:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Pretty funny the comments about the importance of the subject of this article. It's probably worth pointing out that netball is the most played women's sport in Australia, and Australia frequently dominates the sport internationally. It's really not an obscure sport, and the Australian team is obviously not obscure, and by the looks of things, this player is one of the more notable within the league. Far more notable than FA's about various suburbs around the place, anyway. Stevage 14:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
OK, this discussion is valuable and all that but it doesn't belong here. Please take this up over at Wikipedia talk:What is a featured article?. Thanks. -- Richard 16:43, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got news for you all. ANY subject that passes the test for a wikipedia article is potentially a Featured Article. Any Featured Article can potentially appear on the front page. If you don't like that, then stop bitching about this particular article and get a consensus to change the rules on what can become a featured articles and/or which featured articles are to be considered for/placed on the front page. 84.65.213.6 16:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Rebecca,
Can you explain why you reverted this as "manifest silliness"?
The current version uses the word "transfer" which you objected to above. I can't imagine that this is the version that you wanted to revert to.
I am reverting to my latest version but am glad to discuss this if you have a good reason for preferring the current version over my most recent version.
-- Richard 03:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Rebecca, I've been tagged at times for being "marginally uncivil". Your tone has a distinct edge to it that is really grating to the point that it gives me a taste for what it must be like to be on the receiving end of incivility. Can you lose the nasty tone? It's counterproductive.
That said, if I look past the nasty tone, I am beginning to see where you are coming from. I do not have the same concern that Badgerpatrol about using the word "defect" IF that is what most of the sources say. I don't care that it is a pejorative word. Benedict Arnold defected to the British. Many people defected to the other side during the Cold War. If netball fans perceived it as a defection, then call it a defection. Badgerpatrol may disagree with this. We are not necessarily "on the same side".
My text was an attempt to take the section titled "Defection" and summarize it in the lead paragraph. If you want to lose the weasel words, it's OK with me (but maybe not with Badgerpatrol).
You say that two important paragraphs were deleted by Badgerpatrol. He says he didn't do it. Regardless of who did it, I would like to see the two paragraphs that you say were deleted. I am basing most of my editing on what is already in the article so there is a bit of "stumbling in the dark". In particular, I am unable to find any sources about Cynna Kydd's defection via Google search and there don't seem to be any relevant external links in the article itself. I don't have access to archives of Australian newspapers. Can you provide sources either via posting actual text to this Talk Page or providing URLs to link to?
Thanx.
-- Richard 05:26, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
From The Free Dictionary
intr.v. (d-fkt) de·fect·ed, de·fect·ing, de·fects 1. To disown allegiance to one's country and take up residence in another: a Soviet citizen who defected to Israel. 2. To abandon a position or association, often to join an opposing group: defected from the party over the issue of free trade.
From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
1 : to forsake one cause, party, or nation for another often because of a change in ideology 2 : to leave one situation (as a job) often to go over to a rival <the reporter defected to another network>
Seems obvious from these definitions that "to defect" is a pejorative word. It implies betrayal and treason especially in war but also in business and sports. However, it's OK to use it in a Wikipedia article if there is a general agreement that the word accurately describes what happened.
Now, in sports, the level of betrayal is not great. Do we really expect athletes to be loyal to their team for their entire careers? So, using the word "defect" is a bit hyperbolic. I mean she didn't actually do anything illegal or unethical, did she? No, I don't think so, but sports fans feel strongly about these kinds of things and so her switching to the Phoenix was perceived by the fans and portrayed by the media as a "defection".
Do we need to say all that in the article? Probably not. As Rebecca points out, it's kind of obvious and all those weasel words do make for flabby text. I'd like to have another go at writing an intro that makes everybody happy but I'll wait until Rebecca comments on the points that I've made here.
-- Richard 06:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
I would suggest, Badgerpatrol, that you consider that "defection" has multiple meanings in different contexts and that, while it is generally pejorative in all contexts, the level of criticism varies with the context. I did a search in Wikipedia for "defection" and came up with this Financial Times Deutschland. Try this. Search on "defection" in Google. You'll find defections from political parties, Dell's defection from Intel to AMD, accounting clients defecting from Andersen after the Enron verdict, cell phone customers defecting from Sprint, etc. Have I proved my case?
-- Richard 05:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
We are having a bit of an edit war because I keep wanting to split this section into two parts: the first part about the actual decision to defect and the second part about Kydd's career with the Phonenix after the decision to sign with them.
What it comes down to is that I view the defection as happening at a single point in time: i.e. the announcement that she had decided to sign with the Phoenix. Rebecca seems to see it as covering the entire first season of playing with the Phoenix and even to cover discussion of her failure to return to international selection.
To this, I can only ask: At what point is the defection "over". Does it cover her entire career with the Phoenix until she retires or "defects" to another team? Or is the defection over at the end of her first year with the Phoenix?
Presumably Kydd has a few years of netball left in her career. Is the rest of her career to be placed under the heading "Defection to the Melbourne Phoenix"?
-- Richard 03:53, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
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This is an old FA about a living person, that has not been reviewed in a very long time. The article is very, very outdated, and needs to be updated with reliable sources so it can retain its FA status. In a brief Google search, I've found:
Is anyone willing to update the article so it can meet the current FA criteria? If not, the article may be proposed for review at WP:FAR. RetiredDuke ( talk) 14:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)