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This reference → [1] was once mentioned in the article, but it was removed from it after a lead and MH reform in the GA review. This ref describes just how early Owen formed, and user:Hurricanehink's last comments in the review said "every sentence in the article must be cited". Where can I put this ref? 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
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Have the issues from the previous GAN been addressed? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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fourth tropical low, first tropical cyclone, and first severe tropical cyclone of the 2018–19 Australian region cyclone season.Source?
November 29 from an area of low pressure situatedLink low-pressure area and add "that was" before situated.
remnant lowI don't believe this is a term used in the basin.
It regenerated on 12 December. Cyclone Owen rapidly intensified into a Category 3, and circled around the Gulf of Carpentaria.Numerous problems with this one...
Then, it struck Queensland.This is also rather stub-like. When did it strike Queensland? What was the wind speed at that time? Was there a more specific location given such as X km from a town?
After re-entering the Coral Sea, which had colder waters than the Gulf of Carpentaria, Owen weakened relatively quickly, and turned extratropical on December 17.When did it re-enter the Coral Sea?
Owen was beneficial to some parts of Australia during its duration. The rainfall dropped on deserts helped farmers grow crops and helped put out a bushfireThese two sentences can be merged.
The final advisory was issued on December 17, when Owen was situated between Townsville and Cairns. However, Cyclone Owen's extratropical remnants persisted until December 20.Probably should move this up to the end of the met paragraph.
The erratic path of Owen is thought to come from a high-pressure area that tracked near the storm--> The erratic path of Owen was thought to have been caused by a high-pressure area that tracked near the storm.
Halifax, Queensland reaching 661 mm (26 in).Comma after Queensland.
low to moderate--> low-to-moderate
vertical windshearand delete the later linkage
southwards
The moderately favourable conditions caused Tropical Low 04U to further develop and gain more thunderstorms within itself.[4] These conditions contributed to 04U's convection, and at about 12:00 UTC on 2 December, 04U strengthened and was named Owen
However, Owen soon encountered relatively unfavourable conditionsSuch as? I see you mention wind shear below, but what else?
Soon after that, though,Simply can be "Soon after,"
The increasing wind shear and other factors caused Owen to weaken slightly early on 3 December.[7] Soon after that, though, Owen gained a burst of convection, and strengthened again.[8] By noon on 3 December, Owen was struggling to remain a tropical cyclone and could not intensify further.[9] As the day progressed, Owen became increasingly disorganized, and continued to weaken.[10]Are you sure that the storm really weakened? I see it going from 40 to 45 knots before stalling. It appears that ONLY the structure fluctuated, not the intensity.
Owen was struggling to remain a tropical cycloneThe source does not support this.
However, in the east, there were more favourable conditions, so Owen moved slightly to the east.[11] However, to the east, Owen encountered even more unfavorable conditions, and weakened into a tropical low.Why mention the first part if it never affected the storm anyways? Also, what conditions degraded even further? Why did Owen track to the east? Be careful with how you word your sentences because you made it seem as if the storm was alive and actively chose to move eastward into favorable conditions.
Over the next day, the system moved eastwardsI would just say continued eastward to clarify it was a continuation of the previous movement.
continued to move westwardIt pulled a 180? When? What caused this change?
was still slowly moving west and not changing intensityWordage is a bit jumbled here.
Early on 12 December, though, conditions started to become more favourableWhich conditions? Delete the "though" part.
and 04U's convection increasedRather than a conjunction... maybe something like "allowing" or a similar word.
Then, at about 12:00 UTC on 12 December,No "then"... it is just extra wording
04U strengthened into a Category 1 tropical cycloneIt reformed as a TC, not strengthened into a TC.
making its outer bands hit areas of Queensland and Northern TerritoryHow did the strengthening make the bands hit those areas? Did you mean "while" its outer bands hit the areas?
Owen made landfall in Northern Territory at about 00:00 UTC on 13 December as a Category 3Any specific location as the territory is a large area? A Category 3 what?
Late on 13 December, Owen approached Queensland, still a Category 3.[25] By 14 December, convection was excellent, and Owen continued to stay a Category 3.[26] Early in the morning on 14 December, Owen's eye began to turn ragged while continuing to move eastward.[27] Owen then began to weaken into a borderline Category 3, due to decreasing sea surface temperatures.[28]This is really much less complicated here then you are making it.
before it turned back east and virtually retraced its steps across the Gulf of Carpentaria.Why did it turn east?
Then, as Owen entered the Coral Sea, Owen became subtropical and moved east-southeast"then" isn't needed here and is extra wording. You should change the second mention of Owen to a pronoun. Also, why did it move east-southeast?
$25 million worthWhich currency? USD?
Extremely heavy winds devastated Cape York in northern AustraliaHow so?
Many of the sources are like that. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
hundreds of kilometres inlandCould we please convert this to miles for the US folks?
it caused rain to fall at a rate of over 97 mm (3.8 in) per hour. Inland Queensland got about 40 mm (1.6 in) per hourWhat's significant about this? Was it sustained for a long time period?
in Halifax, Queenslandcomma after Queensland
Many people thought that Owen would drop catastrophic rain levels; however, Owen did not drop as much rain to such a large area, due to its relatively small size.Why is that significant?
which caused terrible damageAny specific instances?
Volunteering for this after an off-wiki conversation with Noah – will take a look shortly. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 14:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I'll note first that several issues from Noah's review still haven't been addressed:
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sources don't belong in the lead
– from
MOS:LEADCITE, this is because whatever is stated in the lead is usually repeated (and appropriately referenced) further below. If this isn't mentioned below, it should have a source.
Overall, the met in the lead needs some expansion as it is quite sparse for a storm that nearly lasted a month. The section lacks the directions it moved other than general descriptions such as "loops".Doesn't look like this has been addressed.
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A mid-level ridge to the southeast
affects where a tropical cyclone moves much more than its intensity. Please reread the source, it isn't the unfavorable conditions you're looking for.
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Are you sure that the storm really weakened? I see it going from 40 to 45 knots before stalling. It appears that ONLY the structure fluctuated, not the intensity.
Any clarification?
*
Be careful with how you word your sentences because you made it seem as if the storm was alive and actively chose to move eastward into favorable conditions
– still applies, the storm isn't sentient. Furthermore, the technical bulletin cited doesn't mention that in the east, there were more favourable conditions
.
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How did the strengthening make the bands hit those areas? Did you mean "while" its outer bands hit the areas?
Not addressed yet
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Any specific location as the territory is a large area?
I'll give the article a look-over myself later. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 14:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the Effects section, I notice significant issues with verifiability. Many sentences are not supported by their sources. In most instances, this is because the source is a forecast and does not indicate that the event has actually happened. Ref numbers are as of this revision and may not hold for future revisions.
$25 million USD worth of damage (35.5 million in Australian dollars). It also doesn't cover Owen past December 13, so the sentences covering minor damage in Queensland near dissipation/as an extratropical cyclone are not supported. There's no mention of the 20 mm rainfall total in NT too.
Owen's landfalls brought effects hundreds of kilometres (miles) inland. Also, it's not the landfall that brings effects inland, but rather the storm itself. Doesn't mention
When Owen made landfall in the Northern Territory on December 10, there were minor effects in Queenslandeither.
With the verifiability issues covering nearly the entire effects section the article would normally be eligible for quick fail as it is nowhere near meeting GA criteria 2 (verifiable with no original research). In light of this, I would recommend the entire section be rewritten with sources that actually support the material—preferably with help from one or more experienced editors—and this review be closed, with future nominations opened only with approval by said experienced editor(s). ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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Chicdat: Based on an answer from Jason Rees, I would like you to wait until Jason is finished with Cyclone Yasa. You said to me that you would like to see
Tropical cyclones in 2002 becoming a FL, and from what I'm seeing it's still not done yet. Let's be patient.
SMB9
9thx
my edits!
02:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
It needs to be longer, as Owen lasted nearly a month. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
As Jason Rees said, it needs references to the JTWC. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Needs a complete rewrite. I'll have to get help from LD2K or MarioJump83 on this. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
We know that the effects section needs to be completely redone. @
LightandDark2000: Where I can search for the information about Cyclone Owen's effects? I want to see this article becoming GA, and I don't want to see the repeat of Chicdat's problems (effects are forecasts).
Mario
Jump
83!
11:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Is this ready for GAN? I'm being very cautious about this. But it's been improved all the way to B, and that's just a heartbeat away from GA. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
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Hi @ Chicdat: and @ MarioJump83:, I will put this GA Review temporarily on hold - there are several minor issues which still need to be fixed: 1. Please provide time stamps in the subtitles for each and every photo of the Cyclone 2. I marked inside several Failed verifications and When Templates - we need somewhat to be more precise "Early the following day"=When exactly? // "Shortly after", same issue. 3. There is no attack mentioned, "only" the presence of crocodiles in the waters 4. "rainfall in Halifax reaching 661 mm" - not mentioned in the inlined citation. Thanks, CommanderWaterford ( talk) 13:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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This reference → [1] was once mentioned in the article, but it was removed from it after a lead and MH reform in the GA review. This ref describes just how early Owen formed, and user:Hurricanehink's last comments in the review said "every sentence in the article must be cited". Where can I put this ref? 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:28, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
References
Have the issues from the previous GAN been addressed? ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk) 16:43, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: Hurricane Noah ( talk · contribs) 12:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Doing.
Noah
Talk
12:57, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
fourth tropical low, first tropical cyclone, and first severe tropical cyclone of the 2018–19 Australian region cyclone season.Source?
November 29 from an area of low pressure situatedLink low-pressure area and add "that was" before situated.
remnant lowI don't believe this is a term used in the basin.
It regenerated on 12 December. Cyclone Owen rapidly intensified into a Category 3, and circled around the Gulf of Carpentaria.Numerous problems with this one...
Then, it struck Queensland.This is also rather stub-like. When did it strike Queensland? What was the wind speed at that time? Was there a more specific location given such as X km from a town?
After re-entering the Coral Sea, which had colder waters than the Gulf of Carpentaria, Owen weakened relatively quickly, and turned extratropical on December 17.When did it re-enter the Coral Sea?
Owen was beneficial to some parts of Australia during its duration. The rainfall dropped on deserts helped farmers grow crops and helped put out a bushfireThese two sentences can be merged.
The final advisory was issued on December 17, when Owen was situated between Townsville and Cairns. However, Cyclone Owen's extratropical remnants persisted until December 20.Probably should move this up to the end of the met paragraph.
The erratic path of Owen is thought to come from a high-pressure area that tracked near the storm--> The erratic path of Owen was thought to have been caused by a high-pressure area that tracked near the storm.
Halifax, Queensland reaching 661 mm (26 in).Comma after Queensland.
low to moderate--> low-to-moderate
vertical windshearand delete the later linkage
southwards
The moderately favourable conditions caused Tropical Low 04U to further develop and gain more thunderstorms within itself.[4] These conditions contributed to 04U's convection, and at about 12:00 UTC on 2 December, 04U strengthened and was named Owen
However, Owen soon encountered relatively unfavourable conditionsSuch as? I see you mention wind shear below, but what else?
Soon after that, though,Simply can be "Soon after,"
The increasing wind shear and other factors caused Owen to weaken slightly early on 3 December.[7] Soon after that, though, Owen gained a burst of convection, and strengthened again.[8] By noon on 3 December, Owen was struggling to remain a tropical cyclone and could not intensify further.[9] As the day progressed, Owen became increasingly disorganized, and continued to weaken.[10]Are you sure that the storm really weakened? I see it going from 40 to 45 knots before stalling. It appears that ONLY the structure fluctuated, not the intensity.
Owen was struggling to remain a tropical cycloneThe source does not support this.
However, in the east, there were more favourable conditions, so Owen moved slightly to the east.[11] However, to the east, Owen encountered even more unfavorable conditions, and weakened into a tropical low.Why mention the first part if it never affected the storm anyways? Also, what conditions degraded even further? Why did Owen track to the east? Be careful with how you word your sentences because you made it seem as if the storm was alive and actively chose to move eastward into favorable conditions.
Over the next day, the system moved eastwardsI would just say continued eastward to clarify it was a continuation of the previous movement.
continued to move westwardIt pulled a 180? When? What caused this change?
was still slowly moving west and not changing intensityWordage is a bit jumbled here.
Early on 12 December, though, conditions started to become more favourableWhich conditions? Delete the "though" part.
and 04U's convection increasedRather than a conjunction... maybe something like "allowing" or a similar word.
Then, at about 12:00 UTC on 12 December,No "then"... it is just extra wording
04U strengthened into a Category 1 tropical cycloneIt reformed as a TC, not strengthened into a TC.
making its outer bands hit areas of Queensland and Northern TerritoryHow did the strengthening make the bands hit those areas? Did you mean "while" its outer bands hit the areas?
Owen made landfall in Northern Territory at about 00:00 UTC on 13 December as a Category 3Any specific location as the territory is a large area? A Category 3 what?
Late on 13 December, Owen approached Queensland, still a Category 3.[25] By 14 December, convection was excellent, and Owen continued to stay a Category 3.[26] Early in the morning on 14 December, Owen's eye began to turn ragged while continuing to move eastward.[27] Owen then began to weaken into a borderline Category 3, due to decreasing sea surface temperatures.[28]This is really much less complicated here then you are making it.
before it turned back east and virtually retraced its steps across the Gulf of Carpentaria.Why did it turn east?
Then, as Owen entered the Coral Sea, Owen became subtropical and moved east-southeast"then" isn't needed here and is extra wording. You should change the second mention of Owen to a pronoun. Also, why did it move east-southeast?
$25 million worthWhich currency? USD?
Extremely heavy winds devastated Cape York in northern AustraliaHow so?
Many of the sources are like that. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
hundreds of kilometres inlandCould we please convert this to miles for the US folks?
it caused rain to fall at a rate of over 97 mm (3.8 in) per hour. Inland Queensland got about 40 mm (1.6 in) per hourWhat's significant about this? Was it sustained for a long time period?
in Halifax, Queenslandcomma after Queensland
Many people thought that Owen would drop catastrophic rain levels; however, Owen did not drop as much rain to such a large area, due to its relatively small size.Why is that significant?
which caused terrible damageAny specific instances?
Volunteering for this after an off-wiki conversation with Noah – will take a look shortly. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 14:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I'll note first that several issues from Noah's review still haven't been addressed:
*
sources don't belong in the lead
– from
MOS:LEADCITE, this is because whatever is stated in the lead is usually repeated (and appropriately referenced) further below. If this isn't mentioned below, it should have a source.
Overall, the met in the lead needs some expansion as it is quite sparse for a storm that nearly lasted a month. The section lacks the directions it moved other than general descriptions such as "loops".Doesn't look like this has been addressed.
*
A mid-level ridge to the southeast
affects where a tropical cyclone moves much more than its intensity. Please reread the source, it isn't the unfavorable conditions you're looking for.
*
Are you sure that the storm really weakened? I see it going from 40 to 45 knots before stalling. It appears that ONLY the structure fluctuated, not the intensity.
Any clarification?
*
Be careful with how you word your sentences because you made it seem as if the storm was alive and actively chose to move eastward into favorable conditions
– still applies, the storm isn't sentient. Furthermore, the technical bulletin cited doesn't mention that in the east, there were more favourable conditions
.
*
How did the strengthening make the bands hit those areas? Did you mean "while" its outer bands hit the areas?
Not addressed yet
*
Any specific location as the territory is a large area?
I'll give the article a look-over myself later. ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 14:55, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Looking at the Effects section, I notice significant issues with verifiability. Many sentences are not supported by their sources. In most instances, this is because the source is a forecast and does not indicate that the event has actually happened. Ref numbers are as of this revision and may not hold for future revisions.
$25 million USD worth of damage (35.5 million in Australian dollars). It also doesn't cover Owen past December 13, so the sentences covering minor damage in Queensland near dissipation/as an extratropical cyclone are not supported. There's no mention of the 20 mm rainfall total in NT too.
Owen's landfalls brought effects hundreds of kilometres (miles) inland. Also, it's not the landfall that brings effects inland, but rather the storm itself. Doesn't mention
When Owen made landfall in the Northern Territory on December 10, there were minor effects in Queenslandeither.
With the verifiability issues covering nearly the entire effects section the article would normally be eligible for quick fail as it is nowhere near meeting GA criteria 2 (verifiable with no original research). In light of this, I would recommend the entire section be rewritten with sources that actually support the material—preferably with help from one or more experienced editors—and this review be closed, with future nominations opened only with approval by said experienced editor(s). ~ KN2731 { talk · contribs} 15:52, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
@
Chicdat: Based on an answer from Jason Rees, I would like you to wait until Jason is finished with Cyclone Yasa. You said to me that you would like to see
Tropical cyclones in 2002 becoming a FL, and from what I'm seeing it's still not done yet. Let's be patient.
SMB9
9thx
my edits!
02:09, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
It needs to be longer, as Owen lasted nearly a month. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
As Jason Rees said, it needs references to the JTWC. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Needs a complete rewrite. I'll have to get help from LD2K or MarioJump83 on this. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 12:01, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
We know that the effects section needs to be completely redone. @
LightandDark2000: Where I can search for the information about Cyclone Owen's effects? I want to see this article becoming GA, and I don't want to see the repeat of Chicdat's problems (effects are forecasts).
Mario
Jump
83!
11:27, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Is this ready for GAN? I'm being very cautious about this. But it's been improved all the way to B, and that's just a heartbeat away from GA. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me! 11:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
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Reviewer: CommanderWaterford ( talk · contribs) 08:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Hi @ Chicdat: and @ MarioJump83:, I will put this GA Review temporarily on hold - there are several minor issues which still need to be fixed: 1. Please provide time stamps in the subtitles for each and every photo of the Cyclone 2. I marked inside several Failed verifications and When Templates - we need somewhat to be more precise "Early the following day"=When exactly? // "Shortly after", same issue. 3. There is no attack mentioned, "only" the presence of crocodiles in the waters 4. "rainfall in Halifax reaching 661 mm" - not mentioned in the inlined citation. Thanks, CommanderWaterford ( talk) 13:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
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