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Almost nothing is known or recorded about any " Etiwan tribe." The majority of mentions in published books are about the Etiwan River and companies named for the river. The term "Eitwan" is being used by contemporary groups, which may explain the article's creation. Yuchitown ( talk) 22:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)Yuchitown
The other day I went through the book "South Carolina Indians, Indian Traders and Other Ethnic Connections" by Theresa Hicks and Wes Taukchiray and there is a good page and a half to two pages in there about the Ittiwan. It includes the Ittiwan's request for land in 1724, the names of the colonists charged with finding that land, and the land that they were eventually granted in 1728. It also includes information on the Ittiwans intermarrying with the Santee and their possession of Congaree slaves. It even gives the name of their chief as King Robin. There is certainly enough information available to warrant their inclusion in wikipedia. Postermon1( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The people that edit this article to read "extinct" under total population continue to participate in the genocide of my people (18 USC 1091 (3)). This false statement should not and will not go unanswered.
Much of American history has been written to hide the Truth. History favors the victor, and so it is the colonial narrative (that of our usurpers) that prevails no matter how false and misleading it is.
The Cusabo are not and never have been "extinct". We have been indoctrinated into believing we are black/colored/negro/african american due to the intentional miseducation of our youth, and death threats against our communities. To actually know "history" is to know the stories that don't get told and are not written down. It is high past time the Cusabo speak for themselves without colonial intervention.
I will leave the erroneous edit, the falsehood, the dehumanizing/denationalizing claim of extinction, to remain for now. I will come back after having gathered what should be sufficient "evidence" for the people trying desperately to keep us out of this American tale. When I do I expect not only for this page to be permanently corrected, but also for the administrators of Wikipedia to issue a public apology for allowing this lie to continue even after having been made aware of the truth. CusaboEmpress ( talk) 11:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
poptime
was deprecated, and was replaced in the article's infobox by population
with
this edit. This resulted in the infobox now clearly reading 'total population extinct'.A research guide from the National Archives of the US government links to native-languages.org, which says
This is the most moderate view I found. The citations I added to the article from more traditional sources don't include the qualifier 'as a tribe'. I looked at a variety of references, and I didn't find anything that clearly contradicted them. BlackcurrantTea ( talk) 07:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)The Cusabo Indians were a small tribe of South Carolina, allies of the Creek Indians. Few records remain of their language, and though some have theorized that it may have been a Muskogean language like Creek, there is no good evidence of this. The Cusabos no longer exist as a distinct tribe. They merged into the neighboring Creek tribe after a devastating smallpox epidemic. Most Cusabo descendants live among the Creeks today, although some probably retreated into Florida along with members of other southern tribes and ended up joining the Seminole Nation.
Published histories of Cusabo tribes fade after the early 18th century—300 years ago. Certainly there can be living Cusabo descendants today—most likely among the Muscogee and Catawba people today. However, that doesn't mean the Cusabo tribes aren't extinct as tribes. For more on what a tribe actually is, read Tribe (Native American). The editor Dtreu99 has repeatedly deleted cited information. Yuchitown ( talk) 04:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown
Should this section be deleted altogether? The history section already mentions that some Cusabo merged into the Catawba and Muscogee. Sometimes is helpful to mention that organizations today self-identify as descending from a historical tribe (and if sources discussing the descent that originated independently from the organization itself existed, those could be added). The state-recognized tribe Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians claims descent from numerous tribes (Cusabo isn't even listed on their wiki article). The "Guaymari Kiawah Tribe" doesn't have any published sources (closest would be Bizapedia).
Usually listing groups that self-identify as descendants can be a compromise, but instead, in this article, this section is a source of long-term edit warring from User:Dtreu99 and User:Da199 deleting the statement that: "The Guaymari Kiawah is not a state-recognized tribe or a federally recognized tribe."
Curious to hear from any NPOV editors. Thanks, Yuchitown ( talk) 14:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
Today, there are groups, outside of the Muscogee, Seminole, and Catawba peoples, who claim descent from Cusabo peoples. These include the Guaymari Kiawah and the Varnertown Indians. citation needed South Carolina recognizes the Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians as a state-recognized tribe; [1] however, this organization does not have federal recognition as a Native American tribe. [2] The Guaymari Kiawah is not a state-recognized tribe [1] or a federally recognized tribe. [2]
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Almost nothing is known or recorded about any " Etiwan tribe." The majority of mentions in published books are about the Etiwan River and companies named for the river. The term "Eitwan" is being used by contemporary groups, which may explain the article's creation. Yuchitown ( talk) 22:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)Yuchitown
The other day I went through the book "South Carolina Indians, Indian Traders and Other Ethnic Connections" by Theresa Hicks and Wes Taukchiray and there is a good page and a half to two pages in there about the Ittiwan. It includes the Ittiwan's request for land in 1724, the names of the colonists charged with finding that land, and the land that they were eventually granted in 1728. It also includes information on the Ittiwans intermarrying with the Santee and their possession of Congaree slaves. It even gives the name of their chief as King Robin. There is certainly enough information available to warrant their inclusion in wikipedia. Postermon1( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:12, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
The people that edit this article to read "extinct" under total population continue to participate in the genocide of my people (18 USC 1091 (3)). This false statement should not and will not go unanswered.
Much of American history has been written to hide the Truth. History favors the victor, and so it is the colonial narrative (that of our usurpers) that prevails no matter how false and misleading it is.
The Cusabo are not and never have been "extinct". We have been indoctrinated into believing we are black/colored/negro/african american due to the intentional miseducation of our youth, and death threats against our communities. To actually know "history" is to know the stories that don't get told and are not written down. It is high past time the Cusabo speak for themselves without colonial intervention.
I will leave the erroneous edit, the falsehood, the dehumanizing/denationalizing claim of extinction, to remain for now. I will come back after having gathered what should be sufficient "evidence" for the people trying desperately to keep us out of this American tale. When I do I expect not only for this page to be permanently corrected, but also for the administrators of Wikipedia to issue a public apology for allowing this lie to continue even after having been made aware of the truth. CusaboEmpress ( talk) 11:20, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
poptime
was deprecated, and was replaced in the article's infobox by population
with
this edit. This resulted in the infobox now clearly reading 'total population extinct'.A research guide from the National Archives of the US government links to native-languages.org, which says
This is the most moderate view I found. The citations I added to the article from more traditional sources don't include the qualifier 'as a tribe'. I looked at a variety of references, and I didn't find anything that clearly contradicted them. BlackcurrantTea ( talk) 07:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)The Cusabo Indians were a small tribe of South Carolina, allies of the Creek Indians. Few records remain of their language, and though some have theorized that it may have been a Muskogean language like Creek, there is no good evidence of this. The Cusabos no longer exist as a distinct tribe. They merged into the neighboring Creek tribe after a devastating smallpox epidemic. Most Cusabo descendants live among the Creeks today, although some probably retreated into Florida along with members of other southern tribes and ended up joining the Seminole Nation.
Published histories of Cusabo tribes fade after the early 18th century—300 years ago. Certainly there can be living Cusabo descendants today—most likely among the Muscogee and Catawba people today. However, that doesn't mean the Cusabo tribes aren't extinct as tribes. For more on what a tribe actually is, read Tribe (Native American). The editor Dtreu99 has repeatedly deleted cited information. Yuchitown ( talk) 04:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)Yuchitown
Should this section be deleted altogether? The history section already mentions that some Cusabo merged into the Catawba and Muscogee. Sometimes is helpful to mention that organizations today self-identify as descending from a historical tribe (and if sources discussing the descent that originated independently from the organization itself existed, those could be added). The state-recognized tribe Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians claims descent from numerous tribes (Cusabo isn't even listed on their wiki article). The "Guaymari Kiawah Tribe" doesn't have any published sources (closest would be Bizapedia).
Usually listing groups that self-identify as descendants can be a compromise, but instead, in this article, this section is a source of long-term edit warring from User:Dtreu99 and User:Da199 deleting the statement that: "The Guaymari Kiawah is not a state-recognized tribe or a federally recognized tribe."
Curious to hear from any NPOV editors. Thanks, Yuchitown ( talk) 14:57, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
Today, there are groups, outside of the Muscogee, Seminole, and Catawba peoples, who claim descent from Cusabo peoples. These include the Guaymari Kiawah and the Varnertown Indians. citation needed South Carolina recognizes the Wassamasaw Tribe of Varnertown Indians as a state-recognized tribe; [1] however, this organization does not have federal recognition as a Native American tribe. [2] The Guaymari Kiawah is not a state-recognized tribe [1] or a federally recognized tribe. [2]
References