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I've never heard this referred to as anything other than the Curragh Mutiny. It ought to be moved, I think. john k 03:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Move to Curragh incident to fix the capitalization. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Curragh Incident → Curragh Mutiny — Per WP:COMMONNAME. 30,000 Google hits for Curragh Mutiny, 18,000 for Curragh Incident. Have never heard this called anything but the Curragh Mutiny. Jonchapple ( talk) 21:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Although sometimes erroneously referred to as the Curragh 'Mutiny' rather than, more appropriately, the Curragh 'Incident'-- PBS ( talk) 22:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't this rather bizarre article name be looked at again? Much reference to this at the moment in the light of all the anniversaries and Wiki seems to be about the only place to call it "Incident". Sarah777 ( talk) 17:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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In the
Paget's orders section, there is reference to someone named Crewe in the sentence, “Asquith set up a five-man Cabinet Committee, chaired by Crewe (who soon fell ill) …”. Crewe, who? Is it
Robert Crewe-Milnes, 1st Marquess of Crewe, the then former
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland? This needs clarification. Thanks!
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18:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Throughout this article the Ulster Volunteers are referred to as the UVF. THE UVF were a para-military group formed in the 1960's 50 years after the events described here. The 2 terms are not interchangeable. 90.248.222.190 ( talk) 23:08, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
It is unlikely that anyone reading the article will gather what actually happened, or why the article bangs on at such inordinate length and in such confusing detail about something that, in fact, didn't really happen at all. (There was no mutiny, for a start, and the whole thing was insignificant.) Having read the article several times I was none the wiser about this mysterious thing that Irish nationalists seem to regard as a big deal but no one else does. However, Jane Ridley, in George V: Never a Dull Moment (London, Chatto & Windus 2022, Penguin Vintage 2023, ISBN 978-0-09-959012-5, p.211) has this:-
'The same morning [19 March] Asquith attended a conference of ministers to brief General Sir Arthur Paget, the officer commanding the army in Ireland. The 63-year-old Paget was a hot-tempered old warhorse "who should have been put out to grass years ago"; both he and his American wife Minnie Stevens had been members of the court of Edward VII. Paget returned to Ireland that night in a highly excitable state, and the next morning gave orders to the officers stationed at the Curragh army base, many of them sympathetic to the Unionist cause, that they must either agree to take part in "active operations" in Ulster or be dismissed from the service. Fifty-eight cavalry officers resigned.
'"Had a most harassing day," wrote George [V] on 21 March, the day the news broke of an apparent mutiny in the Curragh, and a succession of generals were summoned to Buckingham Palace. It was soon established that there had been no mutiny, that Paget had misunderstood his ministerial briefing; and the officers' resignations were set aside. "I am glad to say," wrote George, "that the officers who resigned have been told to return to their commands in Ireland, so all is as before, so the danger for the moment is over."'
And there we are, and that's all it was, and it's perfectly clear. In that version, anyway, which seems satisfactory. A red-faced old general exceeded his brief and gave his officers an apparent idiotic ultimatum, which several dozen of them protested by resigning their commissions for all of one day before Whitehall cracked down and restored normality. Whereas anyone reading the Wiki article will come away blinded by smoke and dazzled by mirrors and either thinking, 'Wow, man, so there was like this huge conspiracy and it was all covered up and... I mean I don't get the details but like it was huge, dude, at least I think it was only I'm not sure,' or else just thinking, 'What? Excuse me? Did I miss something? How is this some big event and why all the irrelevant conspiracy-theory detail?' Khamba Tendal ( talk) 17:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
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I've never heard this referred to as anything other than the Curragh Mutiny. It ought to be moved, I think. john k 03:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Move to Curragh incident to fix the capitalization. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Curragh Incident → Curragh Mutiny — Per WP:COMMONNAME. 30,000 Google hits for Curragh Mutiny, 18,000 for Curragh Incident. Have never heard this called anything but the Curragh Mutiny. Jonchapple ( talk) 21:19, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Although sometimes erroneously referred to as the Curragh 'Mutiny' rather than, more appropriately, the Curragh 'Incident'-- PBS ( talk) 22:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Shouldn't this rather bizarre article name be looked at again? Much reference to this at the moment in the light of all the anniversaries and Wiki seems to be about the only place to call it "Incident". Sarah777 ( talk) 17:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
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In the
Paget's orders section, there is reference to someone named Crewe in the sentence, “Asquith set up a five-man Cabinet Committee, chaired by Crewe (who soon fell ill) …”. Crewe, who? Is it
Robert Crewe-Milnes, 1st Marquess of Crewe, the then former
Lord Lieutenant of Ireland? This needs clarification. Thanks!
—
Spike
Toronto
18:30, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Throughout this article the Ulster Volunteers are referred to as the UVF. THE UVF were a para-military group formed in the 1960's 50 years after the events described here. The 2 terms are not interchangeable. 90.248.222.190 ( talk) 23:08, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
It is unlikely that anyone reading the article will gather what actually happened, or why the article bangs on at such inordinate length and in such confusing detail about something that, in fact, didn't really happen at all. (There was no mutiny, for a start, and the whole thing was insignificant.) Having read the article several times I was none the wiser about this mysterious thing that Irish nationalists seem to regard as a big deal but no one else does. However, Jane Ridley, in George V: Never a Dull Moment (London, Chatto & Windus 2022, Penguin Vintage 2023, ISBN 978-0-09-959012-5, p.211) has this:-
'The same morning [19 March] Asquith attended a conference of ministers to brief General Sir Arthur Paget, the officer commanding the army in Ireland. The 63-year-old Paget was a hot-tempered old warhorse "who should have been put out to grass years ago"; both he and his American wife Minnie Stevens had been members of the court of Edward VII. Paget returned to Ireland that night in a highly excitable state, and the next morning gave orders to the officers stationed at the Curragh army base, many of them sympathetic to the Unionist cause, that they must either agree to take part in "active operations" in Ulster or be dismissed from the service. Fifty-eight cavalry officers resigned.
'"Had a most harassing day," wrote George [V] on 21 March, the day the news broke of an apparent mutiny in the Curragh, and a succession of generals were summoned to Buckingham Palace. It was soon established that there had been no mutiny, that Paget had misunderstood his ministerial briefing; and the officers' resignations were set aside. "I am glad to say," wrote George, "that the officers who resigned have been told to return to their commands in Ireland, so all is as before, so the danger for the moment is over."'
And there we are, and that's all it was, and it's perfectly clear. In that version, anyway, which seems satisfactory. A red-faced old general exceeded his brief and gave his officers an apparent idiotic ultimatum, which several dozen of them protested by resigning their commissions for all of one day before Whitehall cracked down and restored normality. Whereas anyone reading the Wiki article will come away blinded by smoke and dazzled by mirrors and either thinking, 'Wow, man, so there was like this huge conspiracy and it was all covered up and... I mean I don't get the details but like it was huge, dude, at least I think it was only I'm not sure,' or else just thinking, 'What? Excuse me? Did I miss something? How is this some big event and why all the irrelevant conspiracy-theory detail?' Khamba Tendal ( talk) 17:50, 23 September 2023 (UTC)