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I think it would be better to split the article in two: Old Curonian language and Spit Curonian. For the latter the German article is good source. Koryakov Yuri 09:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
The language described at Curonian grammar is clearly Baltic, and that is in agreement with the consensus among linguists, as the article itself admits. A few isolated words with possible Finnic etymologies prove nothing. They could have been borrowings, for example. Finnic influence is quite possible and even likely, especially from Livonian, which is still spoken in Courland; but influence does not change the affiliation of a language. Therefore, I consider the current portrayal highly misleading and will change the article to reflect the current consensus, which does not involve realistic doubts as to the rough affiliation of Curonian. (If anything, there should be two separate articles, one on Baltic Curonian and one on Finnic Curonian, but it seems unlikely that Finnic Curonian could be justified as a topic distinct from Livonian.) -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 15:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Noticing the title Eesti viikingid, I can't help but wonder if there is any ulterior motivation behind these smacking-of-fringe-hypothesis/pseudolinguistic attempts to make Curonian a Finnic language on the basis of a couple of words. Interestingly, Saks and Vaari are described only as "authors", not scholars. I suspect that they are non-specialist writers writing for a general audience in Estonia (well, Saks is even described as an amateur historian in Edgar V. Saks), and they would like very much to be the Curonians close relatives of the Estonians, just so that the Estonians have their own badass Viking/pirate-like quasi-ancestors instead of some puny Finnic farmers or even hunter-gatherers that lived in caves or on trees as in popular imagination. If I have learned something on Wikipedia, that assuming bad faith in cases as this one, when a case that has been made is so clearly flimsy (or a play with definitions), is entirely justified. Honi soit qui mal y pense, and all that. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 19:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
In only given link with Vääri writing he does not say these things what are mentioned in article. He just says Curonians might even have been finnic. I think most (or all) claims in that section come from Saks, not from Vääri, and their ideas should be clearly separated as Vääri is scientist and Saks is not. Minnekon ( talk) 21:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Self-denomination of Curonians, kure, means 'crane' in Estonian.
I doubt that self-denomination of Curonians was kure (which source says that?) and kure does not mean 'crane' in Estonian (crane is kurg and similarty with modern Estonian words doesn't matter anyway). Minnekon ( talk) 21:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
There's not enough evidence for Curonian to even begin to "reconstruct a grammar". That article (nominated for deletion) is a pure flight of fancy and I've deleted the section here that perpetuates it. -- Taivo ( talk) 10:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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I think it would be better to split the article in two: Old Curonian language and Spit Curonian. For the latter the German article is good source. Koryakov Yuri 09:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
The language described at Curonian grammar is clearly Baltic, and that is in agreement with the consensus among linguists, as the article itself admits. A few isolated words with possible Finnic etymologies prove nothing. They could have been borrowings, for example. Finnic influence is quite possible and even likely, especially from Livonian, which is still spoken in Courland; but influence does not change the affiliation of a language. Therefore, I consider the current portrayal highly misleading and will change the article to reflect the current consensus, which does not involve realistic doubts as to the rough affiliation of Curonian. (If anything, there should be two separate articles, one on Baltic Curonian and one on Finnic Curonian, but it seems unlikely that Finnic Curonian could be justified as a topic distinct from Livonian.) -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 15:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Noticing the title Eesti viikingid, I can't help but wonder if there is any ulterior motivation behind these smacking-of-fringe-hypothesis/pseudolinguistic attempts to make Curonian a Finnic language on the basis of a couple of words. Interestingly, Saks and Vaari are described only as "authors", not scholars. I suspect that they are non-specialist writers writing for a general audience in Estonia (well, Saks is even described as an amateur historian in Edgar V. Saks), and they would like very much to be the Curonians close relatives of the Estonians, just so that the Estonians have their own badass Viking/pirate-like quasi-ancestors instead of some puny Finnic farmers or even hunter-gatherers that lived in caves or on trees as in popular imagination. If I have learned something on Wikipedia, that assuming bad faith in cases as this one, when a case that has been made is so clearly flimsy (or a play with definitions), is entirely justified. Honi soit qui mal y pense, and all that. -- Florian Blaschke ( talk) 19:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
In only given link with Vääri writing he does not say these things what are mentioned in article. He just says Curonians might even have been finnic. I think most (or all) claims in that section come from Saks, not from Vääri, and their ideas should be clearly separated as Vääri is scientist and Saks is not. Minnekon ( talk) 21:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
Self-denomination of Curonians, kure, means 'crane' in Estonian.
I doubt that self-denomination of Curonians was kure (which source says that?) and kure does not mean 'crane' in Estonian (crane is kurg and similarty with modern Estonian words doesn't matter anyway). Minnekon ( talk) 21:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
There's not enough evidence for Curonian to even begin to "reconstruct a grammar". That article (nominated for deletion) is a pure flight of fancy and I've deleted the section here that perpetuates it. -- Taivo ( talk) 10:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
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