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Here are several examples of where this article needs to be cleaned:
"The controversy at Stevens Creek Elementary" - This entire section should be a seperate article
"The quality of service is poor..." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Cupertino has bike lanes on its boulevards, but they are frequently ignored by careless or speeding drivers, and bicyclists must exercise extreme caution." - Non-neutral, Source?
"The city is served by an excellent road system." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Previous versions looked like a stylized snail, although the current version actually looks like a hat." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Over 60 high-tech companies have offices here" - Useage of 2nd person
"Because Cupertino has developed so quickly since the 1960s" - Useage of present tense
"which have been barely staying alive because of the dominance of large shopping malls in Silicon Valley" - poorly worded
I contributed most of the sections whose neutrality you are contesting. Unfortunately, I'm rather busy right now. When I have time (in August) I will go over to Cupertino Library to do some research. I think most of those points can be traced to various articles in the Cupertino Courier and the San Jose Mercury News. -- Coolcaesar 22:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The controversy at Stevens Creek Elementary should be part of the Stevens Creek Elementary School article, which I'll get around to creating sometime. ςפקιДИτς 01:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I've lived my whole (but short) life in the South Bay, and I've never heard either term. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 05:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The article states that Steve Jobs lives in cupertino, but I'm pretty sure he actually lives in Palo Alto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.86.141 ( talk • contribs)
"Cupertino" is used among techies to refer to Apple. I'm not sure how to incorporate that here. -- Ephilei 08:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"Most of these hi-tech companies are located on De Anza Boulvevard, Cali Mill Plaza, and Bubb Road." Who wrote this sentence? Obviously someone who hasn't been to Cupertino. While I could buy De Anza, Cali Mill Plaza isn't even a proper street; it's just a small corner of the intersection at De Anza and Stevens Creek Blvd. Bubb Road is mostly a residential street, and the short stretch just south of Stevens Creek Blvd. that has Hantronix, several Apple buildings, and a handful of pharma and network companies hardly qualifies as having many high-tech companies. This sentence needs to be edited by someone more familiar with the high-tech industry in Cupertino. 71.146.46.18 02:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
No need to mention twice, and once in the second paragraph, that Cupertino is the location of Steve Jobs' Apple Computer 69.228.240.57 00:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
in a "pleasant" complex circled by the playfully named Infinite Loop
To many former and current employees, it's not pleasant. Why the word "Pleasant"?
Addition: There are several other instances of non-neutrality in this article. For instance, the comments about the city's logo now "actually looking like a hat", and the part about the transportation system being "excellent".
Addition 2: I noticed that someone had entered a really inflammatory paragraph about the cement plant up there in the hills, violating the OR and NPOV policies. The entry quoted uncited study data that described terrible potential effects, but failed to mention that the company is apparently in compliance with all regulations that prevent such effects. The text was very careful not to actually state that the plant was in violation, but without an extremely careful read, the text seemed to say that the plant was an environmental disaster area. The section was further suspect because its token mention of history was also incorrect, placing the cement plant's construction during WWII as part of the war effort, an assertion that is completely wrong. I edited with factual information - sorry to just jump on it and edit the live page, but people advancing a point of view with unbased info really bug me. 2Track 16:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
There are several problems with the section about Cupertino Schools:
In general, it's not clear why the list of schools and their test scores is appropriate here. Miahavero ( talk) 19:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be projected larger than it deserves to be in this article. Personal POV
Is this part really necessary? It has little to do with the city itself and borders more on trivia and humor rather than encyclopedia material. Jon914 07:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I kinda liked it, since im a trivia fan, but it has nothing to do with Cupertino, despite its name, so it might deserve a place in an article about typos or computer artefacts. I would vote for a stub on its own, so it can at least be found. H.A.N.D. Seismic Boom 13:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think these should be grouped together, at first glance it gives the impression that they live in the city. I think it should just be current residents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.137.234 ( talk) 00:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Melissa Grelli? If you have to add such a long explanation after her listing, is she really that notable? Tmpafford ( talk) 20:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The article states several times that this town is "suburban", but nowhere does it reveal of which city it is a suburb. I happen to know, but is a foreign reader expected to guess that?-- dunnhaupt ( talk) 02:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
A city can have suburbs, but it cannot BE a suburb. By definition, a suburb is a lesser division (i.e. sub) and often outlying and / or residential area of a city or major town (i.e. urban = city). No such thing as a suburban city (that would be a "less than urban urban area", or a "part of a city city"). Similarly, a title can have a subtitle, but a subtitle is not a main title... and so on. Cupertino may be a satellite city, i.e. a city which has grown up as an offshoot of another adjacent city. 86.46.32.169 ( talk) 17:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
(Coolcaesar - your second piece above I agree with, that's just colloquial English - but that doesn't support an arguement that Cupertino functions as a suburb.....) Anyway, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.....! 86.46.32.169 ( talk) 00:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The cited document does indeed indicate the 34,300 figure, however it's not a factual accounting, and the perhaps more credible source, Steve Jobs, has stated a figure of 12,000 (in the area).
see Apple's Steve Jobs appears at Cupertino City Council Meeting
-- Gillwill ( talk) 22:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Another Chinese name:
Isn't Cupertino also a sister city to the capital of Orissa/Odisha, India? 71.22.155.114 ( talk) 21:01, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be good for the article to mention the dramatically skewed demographics of Cupertino, as compared to the county in which it is located. Whereas Santa Clara County is 32% Asian, Cupertino is 64% Asian. And whereas the county is 27% Hispanic, Cupertino is only 4%. The public schools are even more dramatically skewed. This is a fairly new phenomenon in America - the elite ethnic ghetto. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 06:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
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San Guiseppe da Cupertino" in honor of Saint Joseph of Cupertino (italy) -- Ji ang 23:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Is the described origin of the toponym a verified one? Being the town named after Saint Joseph of Cupertino and the town Copertino in Italy (sister city of Cupertino), I think the toponym of the two cities has a common origin, hasn't it? In this case, the origin of the toponym is NOT that described in the text. Source: I'm from Copertino, Italy.
Even the origin of "Copertino" name is not certain; the best hypothesis is the name deriving from "conventio" (populorum), latin word for "union" or "agreement", meaning the aggregation of people survived to the descruction of some "casali" ("casale" is like a rural village). Since then, the name evolved to "Conventino", "Convertino", "Cupertino" and finally "Copertino". — Preceding
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Here are several examples of where this article needs to be cleaned:
"The controversy at Stevens Creek Elementary" - This entire section should be a seperate article
"The quality of service is poor..." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Cupertino has bike lanes on its boulevards, but they are frequently ignored by careless or speeding drivers, and bicyclists must exercise extreme caution." - Non-neutral, Source?
"The city is served by an excellent road system." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Previous versions looked like a stylized snail, although the current version actually looks like a hat." - Non-neutral, Source?
"Over 60 high-tech companies have offices here" - Useage of 2nd person
"Because Cupertino has developed so quickly since the 1960s" - Useage of present tense
"which have been barely staying alive because of the dominance of large shopping malls in Silicon Valley" - poorly worded
I contributed most of the sections whose neutrality you are contesting. Unfortunately, I'm rather busy right now. When I have time (in August) I will go over to Cupertino Library to do some research. I think most of those points can be traced to various articles in the Cupertino Courier and the San Jose Mercury News. -- Coolcaesar 22:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The controversy at Stevens Creek Elementary should be part of the Stevens Creek Elementary School article, which I'll get around to creating sometime. ςפקιДИτς 01:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I've lived my whole (but short) life in the South Bay, and I've never heard either term. ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 05:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
The article states that Steve Jobs lives in cupertino, but I'm pretty sure he actually lives in Palo Alto —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.57.86.141 ( talk • contribs)
"Cupertino" is used among techies to refer to Apple. I'm not sure how to incorporate that here. -- Ephilei 08:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
"Most of these hi-tech companies are located on De Anza Boulvevard, Cali Mill Plaza, and Bubb Road." Who wrote this sentence? Obviously someone who hasn't been to Cupertino. While I could buy De Anza, Cali Mill Plaza isn't even a proper street; it's just a small corner of the intersection at De Anza and Stevens Creek Blvd. Bubb Road is mostly a residential street, and the short stretch just south of Stevens Creek Blvd. that has Hantronix, several Apple buildings, and a handful of pharma and network companies hardly qualifies as having many high-tech companies. This sentence needs to be edited by someone more familiar with the high-tech industry in Cupertino. 71.146.46.18 02:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
No need to mention twice, and once in the second paragraph, that Cupertino is the location of Steve Jobs' Apple Computer 69.228.240.57 00:40, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
in a "pleasant" complex circled by the playfully named Infinite Loop
To many former and current employees, it's not pleasant. Why the word "Pleasant"?
Addition: There are several other instances of non-neutrality in this article. For instance, the comments about the city's logo now "actually looking like a hat", and the part about the transportation system being "excellent".
Addition 2: I noticed that someone had entered a really inflammatory paragraph about the cement plant up there in the hills, violating the OR and NPOV policies. The entry quoted uncited study data that described terrible potential effects, but failed to mention that the company is apparently in compliance with all regulations that prevent such effects. The text was very careful not to actually state that the plant was in violation, but without an extremely careful read, the text seemed to say that the plant was an environmental disaster area. The section was further suspect because its token mention of history was also incorrect, placing the cement plant's construction during WWII as part of the war effort, an assertion that is completely wrong. I edited with factual information - sorry to just jump on it and edit the live page, but people advancing a point of view with unbased info really bug me. 2Track 16:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
There are several problems with the section about Cupertino Schools:
In general, it's not clear why the list of schools and their test scores is appropriate here. Miahavero ( talk) 19:41, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Seems to be projected larger than it deserves to be in this article. Personal POV
Is this part really necessary? It has little to do with the city itself and borders more on trivia and humor rather than encyclopedia material. Jon914 07:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I kinda liked it, since im a trivia fan, but it has nothing to do with Cupertino, despite its name, so it might deserve a place in an article about typos or computer artefacts. I would vote for a stub on its own, so it can at least be found. H.A.N.D. Seismic Boom 13:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't think these should be grouped together, at first glance it gives the impression that they live in the city. I think it should just be current residents. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.81.137.234 ( talk) 00:51, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Melissa Grelli? If you have to add such a long explanation after her listing, is she really that notable? Tmpafford ( talk) 20:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
The article states several times that this town is "suburban", but nowhere does it reveal of which city it is a suburb. I happen to know, but is a foreign reader expected to guess that?-- dunnhaupt ( talk) 02:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
A city can have suburbs, but it cannot BE a suburb. By definition, a suburb is a lesser division (i.e. sub) and often outlying and / or residential area of a city or major town (i.e. urban = city). No such thing as a suburban city (that would be a "less than urban urban area", or a "part of a city city"). Similarly, a title can have a subtitle, but a subtitle is not a main title... and so on. Cupertino may be a satellite city, i.e. a city which has grown up as an offshoot of another adjacent city. 86.46.32.169 ( talk) 17:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
(Coolcaesar - your second piece above I agree with, that's just colloquial English - but that doesn't support an arguement that Cupertino functions as a suburb.....) Anyway, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.....! 86.46.32.169 ( talk) 00:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The cited document does indeed indicate the 34,300 figure, however it's not a factual accounting, and the perhaps more credible source, Steve Jobs, has stated a figure of 12,000 (in the area).
see Apple's Steve Jobs appears at Cupertino City Council Meeting
-- Gillwill ( talk) 22:34, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Another Chinese name:
Isn't Cupertino also a sister city to the capital of Orissa/Odisha, India? 71.22.155.114 ( talk) 21:01, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
I think it would be good for the article to mention the dramatically skewed demographics of Cupertino, as compared to the county in which it is located. Whereas Santa Clara County is 32% Asian, Cupertino is 64% Asian. And whereas the county is 27% Hispanic, Cupertino is only 4%. The public schools are even more dramatically skewed. This is a fairly new phenomenon in America - the elite ethnic ghetto. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 06:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
--209.77.205.2
San Guiseppe da Cupertino" in honor of Saint Joseph of Cupertino (italy) -- Ji ang 23:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Is the described origin of the toponym a verified one? Being the town named after Saint Joseph of Cupertino and the town Copertino in Italy (sister city of Cupertino), I think the toponym of the two cities has a common origin, hasn't it? In this case, the origin of the toponym is NOT that described in the text. Source: I'm from Copertino, Italy.
Even the origin of "Copertino" name is not certain; the best hypothesis is the name deriving from "conventio" (populorum), latin word for "union" or "agreement", meaning the aggregation of people survived to the descruction of some "casali" ("casale" is like a rural village). Since then, the name evolved to "Conventino", "Convertino", "Cupertino" and finally "Copertino". — Preceding
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