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In Life of Brian, Reg of the PFJ upbraids Brian "You CUNT! etc" - see Monty Python’s Life of Brian Bob Hawke famously described Bill Hayden as "a lying cunt with a limited future" - see Bob Hawke Ian Healy to Arjuna Ranatunga when the latter called for a runner during a one day cricket match: "You don't get a runner for being an overweight, unfit, fat cunt" - [1] 2001 - Zimbabwean cricketer Grant Flower played a shot against Australia which just evaded the fielders and scored some runs. Australian bowler Shane Warne's reaction, which was made almost directly into the stump microphones and heard on national television: "You fuckin' arsey cunt!" - [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tooclever4Uhaterz ( talk • contribs) 13:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't get what you mean, all the uses you listed are exactly the same. Funny examples none the less, but nothing that wasn't covered in the article.
I remembered a fairly popular Aussie use of the word aswell; funny-cunt (as in, "What a funny cunt!")
Can be very good if used properly. HA. HAHA. HAHAHA. >:D
Reverted good faith edits by Dwarf Kirlston; Revert pending consensus discussion.
I was bold, but given that this is a controversial page, my edits were held back until consensus could be reached.
Currently Usage has topics
4.1 In modern literature
4.2 Referring to women
4.3 Referring to men
4.4 Usage in Great Britain
4.5 Usage in Ireland & Scotland
4.6 Usage in Australia
4.7 Usage in the United States
4.8 Referring to inanimate objects
4.9 Other uses
I propose that
"In Modern Literature" be moved to "in popular culture" - literature is ,perhaps not "popular" literature but, definitely not popular usage
I propose that Usage by country be preceded by the different types of usage.
I note that "Usage:pre-20th Century" relates to etymology as origins to current usage - I propose that "Vulgarity and offensiveness should not split them apart.--
Keerlls
ton
13:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Note: I also did something less likely to reach easy consensus, more debatable, than the above, I altered headings. I changed "Usage in Country Name" to "Country Name" - both are perhaps a tad unpalatable, and very debatable. This wold have deserved some talk page discussion even in an uncontroversial page.-- Keerlls ton 13:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Proposed by User:Rodhullandemu
- basic definition - genital area, etc
- etymology
- offensive connotations
- familiar usage
I agree, but I wanted to say that Etymology should not simply be moved up but rather summarized, made concise -goes for all the other parts as well. Also it seems that the "Vulgarity and offensiveness" is badly formatted because it was part of a previous lead.-- Keerlls ton 13:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.matthewhunt.com/website/cunt/index.html instead of http://www.matthewhunt.com/cunt/ at the end of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.136.67 ( talk) 23:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I've taken out a lot of stuff which by any standard is moot- look at the diffs to see what- or unsourced, or irrelevant. That which remains (from what I've looked at) but seems to be worthy of inclusion, I've tagged as needing citation. This is of necessity my own perspective and I don't mind being shot down for it; however, as I pointed out above, apart from the vandals, people have been sticking folkloric uses in without proper sources. Rather than just tear them out, I've left them for now, but it is a lot of work to try and find sources for recent popular culture. One example- in the "Rhyming Slang" section, there was a reference to an Essex butcher, Robert Munt. Leaving WP:BLP considerations aside, I could not find an independent source for this, so it went. A little restraint, discipline & encyclopediarity would not go amiss here. When time permits, I'll continue. -- Rodhullandemu ( please reply here - contribs) 02:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Now that the article itself is semi-protected for a month, some housekeeping and organisation might be useful (& thanks already to User:Dwarf Kirlston here). I've taken the liberty of archiving a load of stuff which has either been incorporated, or rejected for inclusion as either irrelevant or unconstructive. In particular, it would seem prudent henceforth to be aggressive towards unsourced additions in "popular culture"-type sections, particularly music, film and television. The reasoning behind this is simple: notability; there was a time when use of "cunt" was a shocker, but those times are now behind us, unless you're aged about eleven. I'd argue that for an addition to be truly encyclopedic, it now has to be somehow outside or beyond the current usage which we document here. Having said that, please feel free to present counter-arguments and discussion; after all, nobody owns any Wikipedia article; it may not be a free-for-all, but it should at least be constructive. Happy New Year! -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 03:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Film: The word appears in The Sound Of Music in a scene where a nun asks in a cut-glass accent "What is it you can't face?" so that it comes out as "What is it, you cuntface?". 86.142.207.163 ( talk) 10:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC) George Icbar 29 january 2008
Did you see what does the last link point to? "Vaginafest.us", a page full of vaginas photos... Is that proper for an encyclopedia? -- 82.56.84.94 ( talk) 00:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
A citation URL for the origin of "berk" ( 45) appears to be dead. I can't edit in a replacement directly. However, both The New Oxford Dictionary of English (and, I'm assuming, any other print dictionary of a decent size) and Merriam-Webster Online give similar origins of the word (1930s, as rhyming slang etc), if anyone wants to do so. -- English as tuppence 17:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I heard this used by Naval Reservists (myself among them) to describe themselves when I was attending schools at Naval Air Technical Training Center Memphis aboard Naval Air Station Memphis, Tennessee in 1970-1971. LorenzoB ( talk) 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
for whoever edits this page, 'cunt caps' are also worn by some Australian air force personal.
i must point out then that under us military usage there is no citation. no meaning to be rude in doing so. —Preceding
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61.9.184.45 (
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03:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
When someone says the bad "C-Word," is the person saying the word "Cunt?" If so, should that be added to the article? 67.160.140.132 Gibsonj338 ( talk) 23:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I just foud in the article where it talks about the "C-Word." Sorry about that. Gibsonj338 ( talk) 08:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC) In the U.S. Navy a cunt cap is also known as a Piss Cutter. This term is undoubtable derived from cunts use as a team for the female genitalia.
I agree. Nigger is considered the N word and Cunt is considered the C word. No other slurs currently have this "rule" that I know of. Eventually, I guess if other names bother people enough, they will be referred in the same way. I can't wait for whites to finally get this privilege with the H word (Honky) as it's equally abused and improper. (It's a double-standard!) p.s. The text that explains there is no response to "cunt", if men call women bitches, they acutally use the word jerk as well, not just asshole. Not a big deal, just saying. And cunt isn't always used in a negative way, it may be used as "dirty talk" during sex or role-playing.
69.129.170.102 (
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10:18, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
The article Cunt (novel) needs to be linked to. 60.234.249.161 ( talk) 08:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
>>In certain circles the word is considered merely a common profanity with an often humorous connotation. For example, in Australia, Ireland and among some Europeans who speak English as a second language, the word may be used as a colloquial term of endearment (e.g., in such phrases as "You're a funny cunt!" or "Daft cunt!").<<
I object to the claim that Europeans who speak English as a second language, even use the word "cunt". This is a ridiculous claim, it is unsubstantiated, and I challenge it. Gregpalmerx ( talk) 23:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Australian band TISM has also released an album titled Australia the Lucky Cunt, a play on words derived from Australia being known as the lucky country. The album was later re-released with the title Censored Due To Legal Advice. Ralphy512 ( talk) 07:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The rock band Jack Off Jill I thought was rather well known/infamous for using the word Cunt in their songs. I think probably more so cause they were an all girl band, and people think it's peculiar if a woman embraces what is considered to be a very insulting derogatory word towards women. Violet yoshi ( talk) 20:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The main article page claims that the first use of the word in popular music was by Sid Vicious in 1978. However, this was preceded by the lyric "kissing cunt in Cannes" on Casino Boogie on The Rolling Stones' Exile on Main St. from 1972. This should be corrected on the main page. Nstanzione ([User talk:Nstanzione|talk]]) 22:32, 06 February 2009
I'm Surprised that there is no mention of the famous Sid Vicious interview with Judy Vermorel frequently cited with approval by Factory boss Tony Wilson:
Judy Vermorel; "how do you think your music appeals to the man on the street?"
Sid Vicious; "I've met the man on the street, and he's a cunt." 81.107.147.216 ( talk) 00:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Also 'Honey, Don't You Want A Man Like Me'by Frank Zappa, released in 1977 on the album 'Zappa In New York' has the line 'He called her a slut, a pig and a whore,a bitch and a cunt and she slammed the door in a petulant frenzy'
There is no mention of the 1969 song by Grank Funk Railroad T. N. U. C., which is a lot earlier than any of the cited uses. Fetz the Chemist —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fetz the chemist ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to include the February 14, 2008, incident when Jane Fonda said "cunt" on the Today Show? I'll leave this addition to the more astute Wiki-editors.
I think this article needs a picture of a 'cunt' to demonstrate what it is. Not a diagram but an actual image. It will help explain what the word is determined from 81.86.220.130 ( talk) 12:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes there is a description, but a picture paints a thousand words. And yes it is about the saying, but the saying relates to an actual thing. Given Wikipedia's policies of adding pictures to illustrate an article, and its no censorship policy, it is appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.220.130 ( talk) 14:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with the original comment, i think the article would be enhanced by a picture of a cunt. The only reason I think anyone would objec to it,t is because they think the picture would be offensive. But those people would also consider the word offensive, and the picture would emphasize the offensiveness of the word to some people. There is nothing it the Wikipedia policy to prevent it, and there is the WP:Not censored policy to allow it. - ... Misty Willows talk 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The sheer number of lists and endless, marginally notable examples of the use of the word grossly detract from the quality of the article. I have eliminated [3] the worst of these lists, but my edits were quickly reverted [4] without a specific reason. I do not feel the removal of these lists was unwarranted, or even particularly bold. While the amount of text I deleted was enormous, the encyclopedic value contained therein was negligible. If someone wants to reintroduce one or more of the sections I deleted as polished, compelling prose, I'm all for it, but these lists are simply out of hand.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Again, this topic raises its head. OK, "in popular culture" is an unhelpful and deprecated subtitle, and as pointed out above, a magnet for any old unsourced rubbish. However, the word has a history and we should not edit out certain items on the basis that they are no longer controversial; the test should be that they were controversial, or otherwise notable, at the time. Given that some pruning has been on the agenda for some months now, this should not be taken as a licence for butchery, although surgery is appreciated. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 15:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the proper way of editing wikipedia articles, but I just wanted to point out that "cunt" played a major role in the movie Atonement, yet it has not been added as a pop culture reference under "film" at the bottom of this article. It would be nice to update this article by adding a blurb about "cunt"'s role in the movie.
I have removed the inappropriate tone tag. In the past couple weeks this article has had a significant facelift. I have half a mind now to nominate it for a "good article," except that it still needs more sources. If anybody disagrees, by all means say so and even put that tag back up. But I feel that this article's tone is now totally appropriate and in keeping with Wikipedia standards, an impressive feat for such a controversial and vulgar subject. Rudy Breteler ( talk) 01:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
It's locally known that in certain dialects of Urban Scots (notably the Glasgow Patter), "cunt" can be used to indiscriminately refer to a person; usually in the third person or in certain phrases ("Any cunt kens that"). While the word can be and is frequently used in the usual offensive manner within these dialects, in this context it is purely non-offensive. This is from personal knowledge, though I'm sure a citation could be found if anyone's willing to edit. 91.125.37.91 ( talk) 03:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a mistake in the reference made to the use of the word "cunt" in the 1973 film The Exorcist. There are also 2 omissions regarding the use of the word in the film.
1. Chris MacNeil (Ellen Burstyn) takes her daughter Regan (Linda Blair) to hospital for medical testing, after which the doctor notifies her of Regan's swearing while he was examining her. He then tells her "Well, specifically, Mrs. MacNeil, she advised me to keep my fingers away from her goddam cunt."
2. Burke Dennings (Jack MacGowran) does NOT address the demon at any time during the film. Rather, he addresses the butler, Karl (played by Rudolf Schündler) whilst drunk at a party, and says to him: "Cunting Hun! Bloody damn butchering Nazi pig!"
3. Later in the film, the demon-possessed Regan (Linda Blair), whilst sitting on her bed, twists her head 180 degrees so that it is facing backwards and tells her mother : "You know what she did, your cunting daughter?" Tend60 ( talk) 02:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Tend60
The article states:
"The word "cunt" is generally regarded in English-speaking countries as unusable in normal public discourse as it is perceived as an ultimate taboo."
In my experience, the word is treated quite a bit more casually in England than in the United States. In England the phrase "You silly c---!" is -- to the best of my knowledge -- not particularly taboo. Comments in sections above tend to corroborate that this is also true in Australia and some other countries.
I suggest that people avoid making vast generalizations without solid evidence. Daqu ( talk) 01:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know how to 'wiki', but in my lifetime of living in 5 English-speaking countries and being a native speaker myself, I have found that the idea that CUNT is an 'ultimate taboo' to be ludicrous, especially in the US. People don't say 'cunt' for the same reason they don't offer you a cup of tea- it isn't popular and would be regarded as weird before inappropriate! Fuck or shit would still be more taboo!
The taboo on this word has lasted longer in American English than in any other form of the English Language. Except for a brief period in the 1950's and 1960's when "cunt" was used in rural communities to describe the vulva of a cow, this term has been considered to be extremely obscene since it reemerged in the 19th century as a form of personal abuse.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ZStars14 ( talk • contribs)
The dramedy shows: Shameless and Skins in Channel 4 in Britain, are the only 2 shows that I know that uses the word "cunt" uncensored, which the writers wrote for the script, and they say it at least 3 times in an episode, should this be mentioned in the article?- SCB '92 ( talk) 15:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC) i like all the cunts in the world enit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.16.72 ( talk) 13:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Seriously though, this really IS an excellent article. I do rue the fact that Richard Burton's famous line on being called a "Selt" is not included though......"It's Kelt you sunt!" (or words to that effect). ;-)
Great effort people. :-) -- Phil Wardle ( talk) 03:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it be easier to describe the part in question if more pictures were shown of it. I find Hilter offensive, and there are LOADS of pictures on his article. 24.225.22.231 ( talk) 02:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I feel that this article could do with a perspective on the differences in country - for instance in the UK it's has entered pub banter - it's perfectly accceptalbe to call ones male friends cunts - as much as it is to call them fuckers, with no implied or expressed sexism. It's just the latest broken taboo.
Done Good spot.
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21:29, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
In the section "Usage: pre-20th century" please could someone change the link on the word "Bowdlerised" from the page Bowdler to the more relevant page Bowdlerise instead. Thanks, MikeEagling ( talk) 21:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
[As per suggestion from jehochman ( talk · contribs), removing the actual description of the alleged incident, because of WP:BLP issues. Leaving this section here as a record of the discussion and consensus. -- Narsil ( talk) 21:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
As of yesterday, the section Cunt#Usage in modern popular culture had a Politics section reading,
[REDACTED: Aleged incident where McCain used the word]
Both of the references lead to the same person, Cliff Schechter; the first is to a Raw Story article containing an excerpt from his book The Real McCain, the second is from an article on The Huffington Post describing an incident when someone asked McCain about the alleged exchange. (The Raw Deal article notes that a NEXIS search can turn up no evidence of this exchange occurring, even though it was supposedly in public; I can't find any witness accounts,
First off, I don't think this anecdote is really relevant to this article. It isn't a particularly odd, illustrative, or typical use of the word. The relevance is surely to McCain, not to the word; if he did say this, that would be noteworthy on the John McCain page, but not here.
And secondly, and more importantly--I don't think this one source is sufficient to include such an inflammatory charge. I think this runs afoul of WP:BLP--if McCain had really said something that offensive in public, I find it hard to believe that no media would cover it at the time (even in an elliptical, "McCain used foul language" kind of way), and that the story would remain completely hidden for 16 years (including a previous run for the presidency) until 2008, when it turns up in a very partisan book. Given that, I think this incident should be removed from the article until and unless a corroborating source can be found.
In the meantime, I've edited the section somewhat, adding some "allegedly"s and noting that Schecter is the only source for the incident. -- Narsil ( talk) 17:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I was reading about how the word Cunt is used in Australia, I think it's use is closer to how people will use the term Bitch in America, just Bitch alone not as in Son of a Bitch that was mentioned in the article. Like, people will say "That car is being a Bitch!" if it won't work, stuff like that. Violet yoshi ( talk) 20:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Cunt aslso stand for Can't Understand Normal Thinking —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.12.153 ( talk) 07:46, 27 September 2008
Foreign Uses In Australia, the term "cunt" is used as a positive. People refer to their friends as "mad cunts" in order to display a compliment like saying.
Sorry, but for multiple reasons, I must remain anonymous regarding this. I think that this word should specifically reference the Cleft of Venus or the more generic Pudendal cleft article. That is most specifically what people mean by literally referring to the word "cunt". So I propose this addition to the lead sentence:
Cunt ( IPA:/kʌnt/) is an English language vulgarism referring generally to the female genitalia, specifically the pudendal cleft.
This is a good faith suggestion (from a woman, if that makes any difference, but I don't think it should), not an attempt at vandalism. 71.254.7.35 ( talk) 19:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Who the hell does that? ""Did you see the cunting he got for saying that?"" No one says that. How about a cite?
Carnal Knowledge (1971) was not the first film to use the word in its dialogue. Two Henry Miller adaptations from the previous year do: Tropic of Cancer, directed by Joseph Strick, and an English-language Danish film, Quiet Days in Clichy. I don't know if this counts as original research as I can't point to a source other than the films themselves. The latter has been released on DVD in the UK. The former was on VHS in the USA, but has not had a DVD release. Anatedhrai ( talk) 09:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I just fixed a couple of tags at the beginning of the body text that referred to specific individuals' names, in the context of them being "cunts". Someone's idea of being funny, I guess. Zedweiller ( talk) 06:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Can someone fix the "[British Asian|Pakistani immigrant]] " reference in the text? 192.127.94.7 ( talk) 15:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I added a fact tag to "kut is considered far less offensive in Dutch-speaking areas than cunt is in the English speaking world". I would've removed it entirely, as I think it is incorrect and based on a misunderstanding, but perhaps there have been some surveys, and being Dutch I do not know the full extent of the English offensiveness. The imho misunderstanding is that 'kut' can be used as a swear word or modifier, similar to AmEn 'fuck'. The expression 'dat is kut' is roughly equal to 'that sucks'. However, referring to a female's genitals with 'kut' is still considered highly obscene. Jalwikip ( talk) 19:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
This website looks to be a source of useful info that could be incorporated. (And before you scream at me to add it myself - I will if I have time!) -- Chzz ► 16:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
That website is simply a (unauthorised) cut-and-paste of Cunt: A Cultural History, which is already included in the External Links. Please delete.
We call the word a vulgarism; according to that page, the word "vulgarism" "carries cultural baggage from the outset". Does this mean that we're straying into POV territory by calling "cunt" a vulgarism? The Wednesday Island ( talk) 15:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I doubt I'll get many people who know what they're talking about over there, so I'll mention it here: on simple:Cunt they claim that the word is derived from Latin and did not exist in OE. This is directly contradictory to what we say here. Are we right or are they? The Wednesday Island ( talk) 18:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
One theory regarding why women hate this word so much is that they have no response to it. "If a man calls a woman a ' bitch' she can usually respond by calling him an ' asshole.' But if he calls her a ' cunt' she has no response."
I've removed this. Of course a woman has many choices of response to make in this situation, verbal and physical. The implication that "bitch" invites a standard reply "asshole" is misleading - it may be standard practice in some areas but it is by no means universal. And the whole shebang is unreferenced whereas this article is generally very well-sourced. pablo hablo. 11:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
The word cunt is said during the opening of The Suffering (as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3qhXaW0BJ8 at 2:11. The Suffering came out March 9, 2004, The Getaway: Black Monday, 12 November 2004.
Is the problem YouTube or it being a video? http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/thesuffering/video/6096387/the-suffering-cutscene?tag=videos;title;7
CUNNING (artfully subtle or shrewd; crafty; sly) UNWILLING(opposed; offering resistance; stubborn or obstinate; refractory: an unwilling partner) NARCISSISTIC(excessive love or admiration of oneself, self preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem) TEASE(to irritate or provoke with persistent petty distractions, trifling raillery, or other annoyance, often in sex) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjpalacios1 ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is this article not illustrated? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
At the moment, "cunny" redirects to coney - which is a disambiguation page with no mention at all of "cunt". In my head, "cunny" should probably redirect to "cunt", with a note at the top along the lines of " Cunny redirects here. For other uses, see Coney." I'm well aware of the sensitivities of certain readers, but this is an encyclopedia, and to not even signpost readers from there to this page seems a little prudish. Apologies if I'm reviving a debate that's done and dusted, but is there any compelling reason for this? There's no discussion on either of those talk pages Dom Kaos ( talk) 18:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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Please change "The name [[Mike Hunt]] is a frequent substitute" to "The name Mike Hunt is a frequent substitute" ( Mike Hunt article is for a football player). Thanks. 58.8.1.199 ( talk) 14:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
A user repeatedly tried to add the following text to Gropecunt Lane. It seems worthwhile keeping it, but not in that article — so I'll paste it here instead, for possible integration into this article:
Acoording to Rawson, "The English word has cognates in other languages, ancient and modern, including the German ''kunte'', the French ''con'', Old Norse ''kunte'', Latin ''cunnus'', and apparently the Basque ''kuna'' and the ancient Egyptian ''qefn-t''. Its distribution suggests a link to some primordial term implying quintessential femininity, perhaps ''kuni'', the word for ''wife'' or ''woman'' in [[Nostratic]], the hypothetical proto-language spoken in the Middle east prior to 10,000 B.C."<ref>Rawson, Hugh, ''Wicked Words,'' Crown Press, 1989, p. 107 (http://www.lib.utulsa.edu/databases/descriptions/RWW.asp)</ref>
Parrot of Doom ( talk) 13:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
the show dexter, and the band bring me the horizon have both said cunt in the show and music respectively Unsigned Person
Have they? Well, that's interesting to know. Sorry if my comment comes off as a bit rude, but it wouldn't exactly be a good idea to have a section of the article named "List of media that has used the word "cunt"", would it? -- LordNecronus ( talk) 00:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
the article says:
"it is one of the few remaining words in the English language with a genuine power to shock." ... ...When used as a slang term with a positive qualifier (good, funny, clever, etc) in countries such as Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia, it conveys a positive sense of the object or person to which it refers.[4]
OK, so the second part obviously entails that it is losing the sentiment that the first line claims... maybe the article should find a quote saying that only recently it is becoming a non-universally offensive term beyond words such as "fuck" & "shit" which are not quite as looked down upon as 'cunt' and that 'cunt' has a use that is not so universally shocking in the anglosphere. 4.242.174.102 ( talk) 10:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there's actually any inherent contradiction there: the word does still have a genuine power to shock but it does not necessarily follow that every instance of its use is shocking. Like most words, its effect depends on usage, context, intent etc. When intended offensively, "cunt" is almost always more offensive than "shit", and usually more so than "fuck". However, in informal use the word "cunt" can be sometimes be used quite inoffensively even when directed towards another person, e.g. "You won how much? Jammy cunt! Your round then?" whereas I don't think anyone would be likely to call another person a "shit" unless they intended it as an insult. Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 00:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Had an edit reverted. List heading was already there. Small addition for a common usage term (at least here in England). Sex-Lexis UrbanDictionary. I'd like to put it back in. Never been in a dispute over an edit so don't know what to do. PReDiToR ( talk) 22:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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In Life of Brian, Reg of the PFJ upbraids Brian "You CUNT! etc" - see Monty Python’s Life of Brian Bob Hawke famously described Bill Hayden as "a lying cunt with a limited future" - see Bob Hawke Ian Healy to Arjuna Ranatunga when the latter called for a runner during a one day cricket match: "You don't get a runner for being an overweight, unfit, fat cunt" - [1] 2001 - Zimbabwean cricketer Grant Flower played a shot against Australia which just evaded the fielders and scored some runs. Australian bowler Shane Warne's reaction, which was made almost directly into the stump microphones and heard on national television: "You fuckin' arsey cunt!" - [2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tooclever4Uhaterz ( talk • contribs) 13:37, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't get what you mean, all the uses you listed are exactly the same. Funny examples none the less, but nothing that wasn't covered in the article.
I remembered a fairly popular Aussie use of the word aswell; funny-cunt (as in, "What a funny cunt!")
Can be very good if used properly. HA. HAHA. HAHAHA. >:D
Reverted good faith edits by Dwarf Kirlston; Revert pending consensus discussion.
I was bold, but given that this is a controversial page, my edits were held back until consensus could be reached.
Currently Usage has topics
4.1 In modern literature
4.2 Referring to women
4.3 Referring to men
4.4 Usage in Great Britain
4.5 Usage in Ireland & Scotland
4.6 Usage in Australia
4.7 Usage in the United States
4.8 Referring to inanimate objects
4.9 Other uses
I propose that
"In Modern Literature" be moved to "in popular culture" - literature is ,perhaps not "popular" literature but, definitely not popular usage
I propose that Usage by country be preceded by the different types of usage.
I note that "Usage:pre-20th Century" relates to etymology as origins to current usage - I propose that "Vulgarity and offensiveness should not split them apart.--
Keerlls
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Note: I also did something less likely to reach easy consensus, more debatable, than the above, I altered headings. I changed "Usage in Country Name" to "Country Name" - both are perhaps a tad unpalatable, and very debatable. This wold have deserved some talk page discussion even in an uncontroversial page.-- Keerlls ton 13:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
Proposed by User:Rodhullandemu
- basic definition - genital area, etc
- etymology
- offensive connotations
- familiar usage
I agree, but I wanted to say that Etymology should not simply be moved up but rather summarized, made concise -goes for all the other parts as well. Also it seems that the "Vulgarity and offensiveness" is badly formatted because it was part of a previous lead.-- Keerlls ton 13:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
http://www.matthewhunt.com/website/cunt/index.html instead of http://www.matthewhunt.com/cunt/ at the end of the article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.18.136.67 ( talk) 23:56, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
I've taken out a lot of stuff which by any standard is moot- look at the diffs to see what- or unsourced, or irrelevant. That which remains (from what I've looked at) but seems to be worthy of inclusion, I've tagged as needing citation. This is of necessity my own perspective and I don't mind being shot down for it; however, as I pointed out above, apart from the vandals, people have been sticking folkloric uses in without proper sources. Rather than just tear them out, I've left them for now, but it is a lot of work to try and find sources for recent popular culture. One example- in the "Rhyming Slang" section, there was a reference to an Essex butcher, Robert Munt. Leaving WP:BLP considerations aside, I could not find an independent source for this, so it went. A little restraint, discipline & encyclopediarity would not go amiss here. When time permits, I'll continue. -- Rodhullandemu ( please reply here - contribs) 02:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Now that the article itself is semi-protected for a month, some housekeeping and organisation might be useful (& thanks already to User:Dwarf Kirlston here). I've taken the liberty of archiving a load of stuff which has either been incorporated, or rejected for inclusion as either irrelevant or unconstructive. In particular, it would seem prudent henceforth to be aggressive towards unsourced additions in "popular culture"-type sections, particularly music, film and television. The reasoning behind this is simple: notability; there was a time when use of "cunt" was a shocker, but those times are now behind us, unless you're aged about eleven. I'd argue that for an addition to be truly encyclopedic, it now has to be somehow outside or beyond the current usage which we document here. Having said that, please feel free to present counter-arguments and discussion; after all, nobody owns any Wikipedia article; it may not be a free-for-all, but it should at least be constructive. Happy New Year! -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 03:27, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Film: The word appears in The Sound Of Music in a scene where a nun asks in a cut-glass accent "What is it you can't face?" so that it comes out as "What is it, you cuntface?". 86.142.207.163 ( talk) 10:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC) George Icbar 29 january 2008
Did you see what does the last link point to? "Vaginafest.us", a page full of vaginas photos... Is that proper for an encyclopedia? -- 82.56.84.94 ( talk) 00:03, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
A citation URL for the origin of "berk" ( 45) appears to be dead. I can't edit in a replacement directly. However, both The New Oxford Dictionary of English (and, I'm assuming, any other print dictionary of a decent size) and Merriam-Webster Online give similar origins of the word (1930s, as rhyming slang etc), if anyone wants to do so. -- English as tuppence 17:52, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I heard this used by Naval Reservists (myself among them) to describe themselves when I was attending schools at Naval Air Technical Training Center Memphis aboard Naval Air Station Memphis, Tennessee in 1970-1971. LorenzoB ( talk) 03:30, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
for whoever edits this page, 'cunt caps' are also worn by some Australian air force personal.
i must point out then that under us military usage there is no citation. no meaning to be rude in doing so. —Preceding
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When someone says the bad "C-Word," is the person saying the word "Cunt?" If so, should that be added to the article? 67.160.140.132 Gibsonj338 ( talk) 23:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
I just foud in the article where it talks about the "C-Word." Sorry about that. Gibsonj338 ( talk) 08:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC) In the U.S. Navy a cunt cap is also known as a Piss Cutter. This term is undoubtable derived from cunts use as a team for the female genitalia.
I agree. Nigger is considered the N word and Cunt is considered the C word. No other slurs currently have this "rule" that I know of. Eventually, I guess if other names bother people enough, they will be referred in the same way. I can't wait for whites to finally get this privilege with the H word (Honky) as it's equally abused and improper. (It's a double-standard!) p.s. The text that explains there is no response to "cunt", if men call women bitches, they acutally use the word jerk as well, not just asshole. Not a big deal, just saying. And cunt isn't always used in a negative way, it may be used as "dirty talk" during sex or role-playing.
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The article Cunt (novel) needs to be linked to. 60.234.249.161 ( talk) 08:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
>>In certain circles the word is considered merely a common profanity with an often humorous connotation. For example, in Australia, Ireland and among some Europeans who speak English as a second language, the word may be used as a colloquial term of endearment (e.g., in such phrases as "You're a funny cunt!" or "Daft cunt!").<<
I object to the claim that Europeans who speak English as a second language, even use the word "cunt". This is a ridiculous claim, it is unsubstantiated, and I challenge it. Gregpalmerx ( talk) 23:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Australian band TISM has also released an album titled Australia the Lucky Cunt, a play on words derived from Australia being known as the lucky country. The album was later re-released with the title Censored Due To Legal Advice. Ralphy512 ( talk) 07:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
The rock band Jack Off Jill I thought was rather well known/infamous for using the word Cunt in their songs. I think probably more so cause they were an all girl band, and people think it's peculiar if a woman embraces what is considered to be a very insulting derogatory word towards women. Violet yoshi ( talk) 20:07, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
The main article page claims that the first use of the word in popular music was by Sid Vicious in 1978. However, this was preceded by the lyric "kissing cunt in Cannes" on Casino Boogie on The Rolling Stones' Exile on Main St. from 1972. This should be corrected on the main page. Nstanzione ([User talk:Nstanzione|talk]]) 22:32, 06 February 2009
I'm Surprised that there is no mention of the famous Sid Vicious interview with Judy Vermorel frequently cited with approval by Factory boss Tony Wilson:
Judy Vermorel; "how do you think your music appeals to the man on the street?"
Sid Vicious; "I've met the man on the street, and he's a cunt." 81.107.147.216 ( talk) 00:10, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Also 'Honey, Don't You Want A Man Like Me'by Frank Zappa, released in 1977 on the album 'Zappa In New York' has the line 'He called her a slut, a pig and a whore,a bitch and a cunt and she slammed the door in a petulant frenzy'
There is no mention of the 1969 song by Grank Funk Railroad T. N. U. C., which is a lot earlier than any of the cited uses. Fetz the Chemist —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fetz the chemist ( talk • contribs) 03:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to include the February 14, 2008, incident when Jane Fonda said "cunt" on the Today Show? I'll leave this addition to the more astute Wiki-editors.
I think this article needs a picture of a 'cunt' to demonstrate what it is. Not a diagram but an actual image. It will help explain what the word is determined from 81.86.220.130 ( talk) 12:58, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes there is a description, but a picture paints a thousand words. And yes it is about the saying, but the saying relates to an actual thing. Given Wikipedia's policies of adding pictures to illustrate an article, and its no censorship policy, it is appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.86.220.130 ( talk) 14:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with the original comment, i think the article would be enhanced by a picture of a cunt. The only reason I think anyone would objec to it,t is because they think the picture would be offensive. But those people would also consider the word offensive, and the picture would emphasize the offensiveness of the word to some people. There is nothing it the Wikipedia policy to prevent it, and there is the WP:Not censored policy to allow it. - ... Misty Willows talk 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
The sheer number of lists and endless, marginally notable examples of the use of the word grossly detract from the quality of the article. I have eliminated [3] the worst of these lists, but my edits were quickly reverted [4] without a specific reason. I do not feel the removal of these lists was unwarranted, or even particularly bold. While the amount of text I deleted was enormous, the encyclopedic value contained therein was negligible. If someone wants to reintroduce one or more of the sections I deleted as polished, compelling prose, I'm all for it, but these lists are simply out of hand.-- The Fat Man Who Never Came Back ( talk) 01:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Again, this topic raises its head. OK, "in popular culture" is an unhelpful and deprecated subtitle, and as pointed out above, a magnet for any old unsourced rubbish. However, the word has a history and we should not edit out certain items on the basis that they are no longer controversial; the test should be that they were controversial, or otherwise notable, at the time. Given that some pruning has been on the agenda for some months now, this should not be taken as a licence for butchery, although surgery is appreciated. -- Rodhullandemu ( Talk) 15:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with the proper way of editing wikipedia articles, but I just wanted to point out that "cunt" played a major role in the movie Atonement, yet it has not been added as a pop culture reference under "film" at the bottom of this article. It would be nice to update this article by adding a blurb about "cunt"'s role in the movie.
I have removed the inappropriate tone tag. In the past couple weeks this article has had a significant facelift. I have half a mind now to nominate it for a "good article," except that it still needs more sources. If anybody disagrees, by all means say so and even put that tag back up. But I feel that this article's tone is now totally appropriate and in keeping with Wikipedia standards, an impressive feat for such a controversial and vulgar subject. Rudy Breteler ( talk) 01:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
It's locally known that in certain dialects of Urban Scots (notably the Glasgow Patter), "cunt" can be used to indiscriminately refer to a person; usually in the third person or in certain phrases ("Any cunt kens that"). While the word can be and is frequently used in the usual offensive manner within these dialects, in this context it is purely non-offensive. This is from personal knowledge, though I'm sure a citation could be found if anyone's willing to edit. 91.125.37.91 ( talk) 03:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
There is a mistake in the reference made to the use of the word "cunt" in the 1973 film The Exorcist. There are also 2 omissions regarding the use of the word in the film.
1. Chris MacNeil (Ellen Burstyn) takes her daughter Regan (Linda Blair) to hospital for medical testing, after which the doctor notifies her of Regan's swearing while he was examining her. He then tells her "Well, specifically, Mrs. MacNeil, she advised me to keep my fingers away from her goddam cunt."
2. Burke Dennings (Jack MacGowran) does NOT address the demon at any time during the film. Rather, he addresses the butler, Karl (played by Rudolf Schündler) whilst drunk at a party, and says to him: "Cunting Hun! Bloody damn butchering Nazi pig!"
3. Later in the film, the demon-possessed Regan (Linda Blair), whilst sitting on her bed, twists her head 180 degrees so that it is facing backwards and tells her mother : "You know what she did, your cunting daughter?" Tend60 ( talk) 02:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Tend60
The article states:
"The word "cunt" is generally regarded in English-speaking countries as unusable in normal public discourse as it is perceived as an ultimate taboo."
In my experience, the word is treated quite a bit more casually in England than in the United States. In England the phrase "You silly c---!" is -- to the best of my knowledge -- not particularly taboo. Comments in sections above tend to corroborate that this is also true in Australia and some other countries.
I suggest that people avoid making vast generalizations without solid evidence. Daqu ( talk) 01:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know how to 'wiki', but in my lifetime of living in 5 English-speaking countries and being a native speaker myself, I have found that the idea that CUNT is an 'ultimate taboo' to be ludicrous, especially in the US. People don't say 'cunt' for the same reason they don't offer you a cup of tea- it isn't popular and would be regarded as weird before inappropriate! Fuck or shit would still be more taboo!
The taboo on this word has lasted longer in American English than in any other form of the English Language. Except for a brief period in the 1950's and 1960's when "cunt" was used in rural communities to describe the vulva of a cow, this term has been considered to be extremely obscene since it reemerged in the 19th century as a form of personal abuse.—Preceding unsigned comment added by ZStars14 ( talk • contribs)
The dramedy shows: Shameless and Skins in Channel 4 in Britain, are the only 2 shows that I know that uses the word "cunt" uncensored, which the writers wrote for the script, and they say it at least 3 times in an episode, should this be mentioned in the article?- SCB '92 ( talk) 15:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC) i like all the cunts in the world enit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.16.72 ( talk) 13:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Seriously though, this really IS an excellent article. I do rue the fact that Richard Burton's famous line on being called a "Selt" is not included though......"It's Kelt you sunt!" (or words to that effect). ;-)
Great effort people. :-) -- Phil Wardle ( talk) 03:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it be easier to describe the part in question if more pictures were shown of it. I find Hilter offensive, and there are LOADS of pictures on his article. 24.225.22.231 ( talk) 02:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I feel that this article could do with a perspective on the differences in country - for instance in the UK it's has entered pub banter - it's perfectly accceptalbe to call ones male friends cunts - as much as it is to call them fuckers, with no implied or expressed sexism. It's just the latest broken taboo.
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In the section "Usage: pre-20th century" please could someone change the link on the word "Bowdlerised" from the page Bowdler to the more relevant page Bowdlerise instead. Thanks, MikeEagling ( talk) 21:16, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
[As per suggestion from jehochman ( talk · contribs), removing the actual description of the alleged incident, because of WP:BLP issues. Leaving this section here as a record of the discussion and consensus. -- Narsil ( talk) 21:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
As of yesterday, the section Cunt#Usage in modern popular culture had a Politics section reading,
[REDACTED: Aleged incident where McCain used the word]
Both of the references lead to the same person, Cliff Schechter; the first is to a Raw Story article containing an excerpt from his book The Real McCain, the second is from an article on The Huffington Post describing an incident when someone asked McCain about the alleged exchange. (The Raw Deal article notes that a NEXIS search can turn up no evidence of this exchange occurring, even though it was supposedly in public; I can't find any witness accounts,
First off, I don't think this anecdote is really relevant to this article. It isn't a particularly odd, illustrative, or typical use of the word. The relevance is surely to McCain, not to the word; if he did say this, that would be noteworthy on the John McCain page, but not here.
And secondly, and more importantly--I don't think this one source is sufficient to include such an inflammatory charge. I think this runs afoul of WP:BLP--if McCain had really said something that offensive in public, I find it hard to believe that no media would cover it at the time (even in an elliptical, "McCain used foul language" kind of way), and that the story would remain completely hidden for 16 years (including a previous run for the presidency) until 2008, when it turns up in a very partisan book. Given that, I think this incident should be removed from the article until and unless a corroborating source can be found.
In the meantime, I've edited the section somewhat, adding some "allegedly"s and noting that Schecter is the only source for the incident. -- Narsil ( talk) 17:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
I was reading about how the word Cunt is used in Australia, I think it's use is closer to how people will use the term Bitch in America, just Bitch alone not as in Son of a Bitch that was mentioned in the article. Like, people will say "That car is being a Bitch!" if it won't work, stuff like that. Violet yoshi ( talk) 20:02, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Cunt aslso stand for Can't Understand Normal Thinking —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.12.153 ( talk) 07:46, 27 September 2008
Foreign Uses In Australia, the term "cunt" is used as a positive. People refer to their friends as "mad cunts" in order to display a compliment like saying.
Sorry, but for multiple reasons, I must remain anonymous regarding this. I think that this word should specifically reference the Cleft of Venus or the more generic Pudendal cleft article. That is most specifically what people mean by literally referring to the word "cunt". So I propose this addition to the lead sentence:
Cunt ( IPA:/kʌnt/) is an English language vulgarism referring generally to the female genitalia, specifically the pudendal cleft.
This is a good faith suggestion (from a woman, if that makes any difference, but I don't think it should), not an attempt at vandalism. 71.254.7.35 ( talk) 19:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Who the hell does that? ""Did you see the cunting he got for saying that?"" No one says that. How about a cite?
Carnal Knowledge (1971) was not the first film to use the word in its dialogue. Two Henry Miller adaptations from the previous year do: Tropic of Cancer, directed by Joseph Strick, and an English-language Danish film, Quiet Days in Clichy. I don't know if this counts as original research as I can't point to a source other than the films themselves. The latter has been released on DVD in the UK. The former was on VHS in the USA, but has not had a DVD release. Anatedhrai ( talk) 09:48, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
I just fixed a couple of tags at the beginning of the body text that referred to specific individuals' names, in the context of them being "cunts". Someone's idea of being funny, I guess. Zedweiller ( talk) 06:27, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Can someone fix the "[British Asian|Pakistani immigrant]] " reference in the text? 192.127.94.7 ( talk) 15:03, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
I added a fact tag to "kut is considered far less offensive in Dutch-speaking areas than cunt is in the English speaking world". I would've removed it entirely, as I think it is incorrect and based on a misunderstanding, but perhaps there have been some surveys, and being Dutch I do not know the full extent of the English offensiveness. The imho misunderstanding is that 'kut' can be used as a swear word or modifier, similar to AmEn 'fuck'. The expression 'dat is kut' is roughly equal to 'that sucks'. However, referring to a female's genitals with 'kut' is still considered highly obscene. Jalwikip ( talk) 19:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
This website looks to be a source of useful info that could be incorporated. (And before you scream at me to add it myself - I will if I have time!) -- Chzz ► 16:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
That website is simply a (unauthorised) cut-and-paste of Cunt: A Cultural History, which is already included in the External Links. Please delete.
We call the word a vulgarism; according to that page, the word "vulgarism" "carries cultural baggage from the outset". Does this mean that we're straying into POV territory by calling "cunt" a vulgarism? The Wednesday Island ( talk) 15:04, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I doubt I'll get many people who know what they're talking about over there, so I'll mention it here: on simple:Cunt they claim that the word is derived from Latin and did not exist in OE. This is directly contradictory to what we say here. Are we right or are they? The Wednesday Island ( talk) 18:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
One theory regarding why women hate this word so much is that they have no response to it. "If a man calls a woman a ' bitch' she can usually respond by calling him an ' asshole.' But if he calls her a ' cunt' she has no response."
I've removed this. Of course a woman has many choices of response to make in this situation, verbal and physical. The implication that "bitch" invites a standard reply "asshole" is misleading - it may be standard practice in some areas but it is by no means universal. And the whole shebang is unreferenced whereas this article is generally very well-sourced. pablo hablo. 11:14, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
The word cunt is said during the opening of The Suffering (as seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3qhXaW0BJ8 at 2:11. The Suffering came out March 9, 2004, The Getaway: Black Monday, 12 November 2004.
Is the problem YouTube or it being a video? http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/thesuffering/video/6096387/the-suffering-cutscene?tag=videos;title;7
CUNNING (artfully subtle or shrewd; crafty; sly) UNWILLING(opposed; offering resistance; stubborn or obstinate; refractory: an unwilling partner) NARCISSISTIC(excessive love or admiration of oneself, self preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem) TEASE(to irritate or provoke with persistent petty distractions, trifling raillery, or other annoyance, often in sex) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fjpalacios1 ( talk • contribs) 04:31, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Why is this article not illustrated? 93.96.148.42 ( talk) 03:24, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
At the moment, "cunny" redirects to coney - which is a disambiguation page with no mention at all of "cunt". In my head, "cunny" should probably redirect to "cunt", with a note at the top along the lines of " Cunny redirects here. For other uses, see Coney." I'm well aware of the sensitivities of certain readers, but this is an encyclopedia, and to not even signpost readers from there to this page seems a little prudish. Apologies if I'm reviving a debate that's done and dusted, but is there any compelling reason for this? There's no discussion on either of those talk pages Dom Kaos ( talk) 18:18, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
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Please change "The name [[Mike Hunt]] is a frequent substitute" to "The name Mike Hunt is a frequent substitute" ( Mike Hunt article is for a football player). Thanks. 58.8.1.199 ( talk) 14:03, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
A user repeatedly tried to add the following text to Gropecunt Lane. It seems worthwhile keeping it, but not in that article — so I'll paste it here instead, for possible integration into this article:
Acoording to Rawson, "The English word has cognates in other languages, ancient and modern, including the German ''kunte'', the French ''con'', Old Norse ''kunte'', Latin ''cunnus'', and apparently the Basque ''kuna'' and the ancient Egyptian ''qefn-t''. Its distribution suggests a link to some primordial term implying quintessential femininity, perhaps ''kuni'', the word for ''wife'' or ''woman'' in [[Nostratic]], the hypothetical proto-language spoken in the Middle east prior to 10,000 B.C."<ref>Rawson, Hugh, ''Wicked Words,'' Crown Press, 1989, p. 107 (http://www.lib.utulsa.edu/databases/descriptions/RWW.asp)</ref>
Parrot of Doom ( talk) 13:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
the show dexter, and the band bring me the horizon have both said cunt in the show and music respectively Unsigned Person
Have they? Well, that's interesting to know. Sorry if my comment comes off as a bit rude, but it wouldn't exactly be a good idea to have a section of the article named "List of media that has used the word "cunt"", would it? -- LordNecronus ( talk) 00:47, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
the article says:
"it is one of the few remaining words in the English language with a genuine power to shock." ... ...When used as a slang term with a positive qualifier (good, funny, clever, etc) in countries such as Great Britain, New Zealand and Australia, it conveys a positive sense of the object or person to which it refers.[4]
OK, so the second part obviously entails that it is losing the sentiment that the first line claims... maybe the article should find a quote saying that only recently it is becoming a non-universally offensive term beyond words such as "fuck" & "shit" which are not quite as looked down upon as 'cunt' and that 'cunt' has a use that is not so universally shocking in the anglosphere. 4.242.174.102 ( talk) 10:07, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there's actually any inherent contradiction there: the word does still have a genuine power to shock but it does not necessarily follow that every instance of its use is shocking. Like most words, its effect depends on usage, context, intent etc. When intended offensively, "cunt" is almost always more offensive than "shit", and usually more so than "fuck". However, in informal use the word "cunt" can be sometimes be used quite inoffensively even when directed towards another person, e.g. "You won how much? Jammy cunt! Your round then?" whereas I don't think anyone would be likely to call another person a "shit" unless they intended it as an insult. Contains Mild Peril ( talk) 00:32, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Had an edit reverted. List heading was already there. Small addition for a common usage term (at least here in England). Sex-Lexis UrbanDictionary. I'd like to put it back in. Never been in a dispute over an edit so don't know what to do. PReDiToR ( talk) 22:34, 21 October 2009 (UTC)