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I don't think one can say that this is true: "Israeli culture is inseparable from Judaism which preceded it (i.e. dated earlier than the Israeli Declaration of Independence, on May 14, 1948). However, this article concerns only the cultural aspects of the modern Israeli state." Of course there is arelationship but it's not inseperable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.129.18 ( talk • contribs) 12:48, 20 January 2005
I know that Yosef Chaim Brenner and Micha Berdichevsky also wrote in Hebrew. I was wondering whether there is a reason they shouldn't be mentioned here... -- Jmabel | Talk 00:00, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
I have doubts about the recent addition of Joshua Wright as a poet. We have no article, I find nothing obvious via Google, can someone please explain who this person is? (If no one can, we should delete the name.) -- Jmabel | Talk 20:11, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
The following was recently removed without comment from the music section: "The transsexual singer Dana International won the 1998 Eurovision Song Contest." I don't have a strong feeling either way on whether this merits mention, but its removal without even an edit summary seemed wrong, so I am pointing it out here. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Would love to know sth about Israeli dance forms. deeptrivia ( talk) 03:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
These art villages are not relevant. Only in the 60's. Mirnamirna 15:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Despite its captioning, the external link to YnetNews doesn't particularly seem to me to be about Israeli culture. Some of it is about culture; some of it is about Israel; very little of it is about Israeli culture. I'm not going to remove it unilaterally, but consider me a voice weighing in for removal. - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
The entire Zionism section is a abbreviate version of [1] and has therefore been removed. Please double check that none of the following material comes from that or a similar source. It is not OK to summarize in the words of the original, but the material must be written from scratch. DGG 08:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The English here is substandard. The article needs to be re-written!-- Gilabrand 11:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree about the standard of English in this article. The following setence in the melting pot section needs to be edited because it is ungrammatical and unclear: "In a gradual process the Israeli society became more pluralistic and the melting pot derided with the years". Fairlane75 ( talk) 15:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 11:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The whole first paragraph is just blather - there is nothing in it that could be properly sourced.
The whole article is lacking in citations, I could put in numerous "needed" tags.
As far as I can tell "Israeli culture" is just the culture imported by the American and European invaders. There is nothing in the article to indicate otherwise. Fourtildas ( talk) 04:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
The last two paragraphs under the section of "1950s, 1960s, and 1970s" discuss the influence of Mizrahi Jews. I'm not sure that the subject matter fits here. However, if it should remain, then it would be helpful if some explanation is added of who the "Mizrahi Jews" are. Veritate10 ( talk) 18:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
It says there should be a list of museums, but I see none. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.171.73.120 ( talk) 21:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The culture of Israel developed long before the foundation of the State of Israel in 1948 and combines the heritage of secular and religious lives. Much of the diversity in Israel's culture comes from the diversity of its population. Originating in the Levant and around the world, immigrants arrived with diverse cultural backgrounds and contributed to the development of Israeli culture, which follows cultural trends and changes across the globe as well as expressing a unique spirit of its own. Israeli culture also reflects Jewish history in the diaspora, especially the ideology of the Zionist movement beginning in the late 19th century. Israeli traditions are rooted in a synthesis of ethnic and religious Hebrew Israelite traditions, and Israeli artists continually push the boundaries of their art forms. Through their work, Israel's artists provoke self-reflective and communal examination. Their creative and open discussions inspire social change, innovative thinking and multidisciplinary experimentation, while expressing the beauty of the people and the land of Israel.[1] Zionism is partly based on religious tradition. It links the Jewish people to the Land of Israel where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved between 1200 BCE and 70 CE (end of the Second Temple era). However, modern Zionism evolved both politically and religiously.[2] It mostly began as a response to the widespread antisemitism toward European Judaism. It constituted a branch of the broader phenomenon of modern nationalism. Though Zionist groups were first competing with other Jewish political movements, Zionism became an equivalent to political Judaism during and after the Holocaust.
The opening paragraph is a bit racist, as the nation of Israel, despite the government's desire to be called "The Jewish State", is still home to an Arab population that, even if the Jewish Israelis (or certain wikipedians, for that matter) would rather they didn't exist, constitutes 20% of the modern Israeli state. I suggest a complete re-writing of this article, so as to better reflect the demographic reality of Israel today.
Solntsa90 ( talk) 09:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
For starters, I suggest we incorporate more pictures of Old Yishuv and Arab Israelis (not Palestinian mind you, as it seems a few users here can't tell the difference, and such users shouldn't be editing articles about Israel in my opinion)in daily life, as well as pictures of Islamic and Christian Israeli culture.
For example, incorporating a picture or two of Nazereth can kill two birds with one stone, showing some Arab and Christian perspective at the same time. For a minority that represents 20-25% of Israel's total population, Arabs need to have more weight in this article, as you can't write about the the "Culture of Israel" if you leave out the voices of almost a quarter of the population.
With that said, there is an image I like from the "Nazareth" article of fireworks on Christmas Eve that I will be adding, as it's a good pictorial representation of the fact that Israel is not just Jews and Muslims.
Beyond that, some sources need to be gathered on the Arab perspective, particularly, from Arab-Israeli historians, as we don't want to make the mistake of framing their whole existence in a Western/Jewish framework. Solntsa90 ( talk) 03:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC) ,
You commented:
Christianity is a minority in Israel; Judaism a significant majority. Images must reflect that way. Holy Land is a Christian term and should only be used as link when is Christian-related, like "Christian pilgrims visited the Holy Land"."
In response:
1.) Jews are indeed the majority, but they are still only 75% of the country, and the fact that All of the pictures currently reflect only Judaica is inappropriate and a sign of WP:Bias;
2.) There is not a single cultural pictoral representation for the 2+ million non-Jews in Israel.
Thus, I suggest the picture of "Christmas in Nazereth" stays, as it kills three birds with one stone: It shows that not all Arabs in Israel are Muslims, it showcases Nazereth, an Arab city, and it showcases Christianity, another significant minority in Israel.
No more pictures of Judaica need to be added to this article. There are way more than enough. the 75% of Israel's culture has been covered. pictures are needed for the 25% of Israel that isn't represented fairly, or at all, in this article.
Solntsa90 ( talk) 23:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Arabs, far from being "widely mentioned in this article" are mentioned only in the first paragraph, and that's mostly my doing. Secondly, all of the "Israeli culture" posted doesn't reflect the Arab, Muslim/Christian presence--Shrine of the Book houses texts holy to Judaism and it's Tanakh, so that doesn't reflect Arab culture either.
On the picture of Judaica, it's not appropriate for the article "culture of Israel; it's like starting every Islamic State's wiki article with a 3D Crescent Star[.gif]] image. Judaica is much more appropriate in the articles about Judaism, also considering the fact that secular Israelis (of which there are many) my not identify with such symbols, thus making an attempt to place Judaica items as akin to placing a Cross in the opening page of "Denmark", because Denmark is officially Christian.
Now, on a completely sepratenote...Gilabrand? Tzofim? That is by no means in Israel; As per WP:Consensus, International law, American law (where wiki servers are hosted), etc. Tzofim is not in Israel, and I'll take it as a mistake of which of course happens and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on in good faith. If willfully placed however, it is not appropriate. Solntsa90 ( talk) 08:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
In fact, we're both correct, and it was an initial mis-linking to the Tzofim illegal settlement, which probably needs a disambiguation. But yes: Tzofim is both an illegal settlement and a scout movement.
Also, I agree with Ajnem 100% and that has been my attempted contribution to the Israel articles: to check for WP:BIAS and to help Israel's diversity be showcased and included in an article about the WHOLE of Israel, not just the 75%, of which, once again due to WP:BIAS, the Jewish narrative is the most predominant in all of the articles about Israel, to the exclusion of Druze, Arabs, Africans, etc.
There is nothing wrong with the Jewish narrative being most of the article, since it is Israel. But I think every article relating to Israel on wiki should be checked to include minority narratives: Otherwise, it's just like talking about South Africa without mentioning whites, or America without ever mentioning blacks. Solntsa90 ( talk) 01:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to have this photo in the article, as it doesn't really relate to mainstream Israeli culture, and indeed, it might even offend some orthodox Jews who wouldn't want their holy sacred symbols affiliated with secular Israeli culture (which I thought this article was about, seeing as Israeli culture =/= Jewish culture).
That, and it's a bit of a push to have it as the opening photo in a state that, while Judaism is the state religion, it'd be like putting a Cross in the opening article of Denmark or the UK, since both are officially Christian nations. Solntsa90 ( talk) 10:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting concerned, and more than a little offended, by trends that I see here.
I'm going to strongly suggest the following so that this article doesn't go the way of so many articles in being a forum for Israeli-Arab conflict:
Thanks to all for your cooperation. If you're Jewish, chag sameach. StevenJ81 ( talk) 15:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
On your points:
1.) First-off, I see NO ONE denigrating Jewish culture; Who do you see denigrating Jews or their culture, or it's role in Israel? If you see this, please, cite it and point it out please, and in fact, report it to an Administrator immediately (assuming you aren't one yourself). Otherwise, please be cautious with wild accusations with limited evidence to carry them. Otherwise, I'd say that the article, far from "denigrating" Jews, almost denigrates Arabs, Druze, etc. by completely writing them out of this narrative, Hence why I'm stressing the inclusion for more diversity. So if Israeli and Jewish culture are synonymous, then what was the whole Chuck Hagel "Jewish Lobby/anti-Semitism" controversy all about? But that's another story.
2.) Secondly, Referring to Jews as "Jewish", and minorities as "other things" is extremely offensive, and borderline racist. They are people, not "things" . To your other points, We're not here to discuss Zionism, Anti-Zionism, the importance of Israel to the Jewish people (which , etc. We're here to describe the culture of the Israeli population, Jew, Muslim, Atheist and Christian. Your "Raison d'etre" seems a bit NPOV, and indeed, might even constitute original research, so unless you have proper unbiased citation, this cannot be included in the article.
3.) Jewish Culture and Israeli culture, contrary to your opinion, are completely different. Even if Jewish culture has influenced Israeli culture significantly, Not all Jews are Israeli, Not all Israelis are Jews. Thus to equate Jewish culture with Israeli culture is to do a grave dis-service to the reader, and borders on offensiveness towards non-Jewish Israelis. Mentioning Jewish culture and its influence on secular Israeli culture definitely has its place in this article, that does not mean it should dominate the article to the exclusion of the 2,000,000 non-Jews in Israel (And to reiterate as before, reflecting this reality does not mean one is denigrating Jewish culture, and to suggest such requires evidence of some sort).
4.) I will not agree to a moratorium until I believe that the minorities of Israel are adequately represented in the images of this article. This has vastly improved, but I still question the Judaica.jpg file's place in this article. I think that is close to conflating Israeli culture with Jewish culture, when they are in fact not one in the same.
Read the discussions on this page, if you'd like to help this article, you can add more Christian, Muslim, Druze, etc. perspective, which this article is still sorely lacking. That would be the best thing you can do right now to help it improve.
Азбука, к мудрости ступенька (As the Russians say),
Solntsa90 ( talk) 21:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
SoIntsa90, I am getting fairly frustrated at this point. I really, really take your point, and I'm really trying to assume good faith. But I don't agree with your POV on this, and I especially don't agree with the way you are handling this. And mostly, I think per WP:NPOV that there are several ways to look at this, and they don't all require this picture to be deleted, as much as the picture seems to bother you.
Please consider further discussion here rather than making more unilateral decisions on removing pictures. StevenJ81 ( talk) 15:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Explain to me how you can talk about the culture of Israel before 1948 when it didn't exist? Any history before that cannot be part of a country which didn't exist. Perhaps it was part of Judean tradition or Palestinian tradition but not Israel. Marccran ( talk) 02:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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I don't think one can say that this is true: "Israeli culture is inseparable from Judaism which preceded it (i.e. dated earlier than the Israeli Declaration of Independence, on May 14, 1948). However, this article concerns only the cultural aspects of the modern Israeli state." Of course there is arelationship but it's not inseperable.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.65.129.18 ( talk • contribs) 12:48, 20 January 2005
I know that Yosef Chaim Brenner and Micha Berdichevsky also wrote in Hebrew. I was wondering whether there is a reason they shouldn't be mentioned here... -- Jmabel | Talk 00:00, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)
I have doubts about the recent addition of Joshua Wright as a poet. We have no article, I find nothing obvious via Google, can someone please explain who this person is? (If no one can, we should delete the name.) -- Jmabel | Talk 20:11, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)
The following was recently removed without comment from the music section: "The transsexual singer Dana International won the 1998 Eurovision Song Contest." I don't have a strong feeling either way on whether this merits mention, but its removal without even an edit summary seemed wrong, so I am pointing it out here. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Would love to know sth about Israeli dance forms. deeptrivia ( talk) 03:27, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
These art villages are not relevant. Only in the 60's. Mirnamirna 15:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Despite its captioning, the external link to YnetNews doesn't particularly seem to me to be about Israeli culture. Some of it is about culture; some of it is about Israel; very little of it is about Israeli culture. I'm not going to remove it unilaterally, but consider me a voice weighing in for removal. - Jmabel | Talk 06:46, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
The entire Zionism section is a abbreviate version of [1] and has therefore been removed. Please double check that none of the following material comes from that or a similar source. It is not OK to summarize in the words of the original, but the material must be written from scratch. DGG 08:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
The English here is substandard. The article needs to be re-written!-- Gilabrand 11:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree about the standard of English in this article. The following setence in the melting pot section needs to be edited because it is ungrammatical and unclear: "In a gradual process the Israeli society became more pluralistic and the melting pot derided with the years". Fairlane75 ( talk) 15:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
For the Israel stamp collectors and lovers, there is no article yet for Postage stamps and postal history of Israel (part of Category:Postal history by country) that would have so many Jewish themes. Feel free to go ahead and start it. (See the other country's in Category:Postage stamps by country that have theirs.) Nothing for Israel on Category:Postage stamps by country neither on List of country articles containing postal sections nor on List of philatelic bureaus. (but just a teeny note on Israel at Compendium of postage stamp issuers (Io - Iz).) This is truly a great shame and pity because Israel, and before that when it was the British Mandate produced and continues to issue the most beautiful and extensive stamps by any country. Thank you, IZAK ( talk) 11:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
The whole first paragraph is just blather - there is nothing in it that could be properly sourced.
The whole article is lacking in citations, I could put in numerous "needed" tags.
As far as I can tell "Israeli culture" is just the culture imported by the American and European invaders. There is nothing in the article to indicate otherwise. Fourtildas ( talk) 04:48, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
The last two paragraphs under the section of "1950s, 1960s, and 1970s" discuss the influence of Mizrahi Jews. I'm not sure that the subject matter fits here. However, if it should remain, then it would be helpful if some explanation is added of who the "Mizrahi Jews" are. Veritate10 ( talk) 18:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
It says there should be a list of museums, but I see none. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.171.73.120 ( talk) 21:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The culture of Israel developed long before the foundation of the State of Israel in 1948 and combines the heritage of secular and religious lives. Much of the diversity in Israel's culture comes from the diversity of its population. Originating in the Levant and around the world, immigrants arrived with diverse cultural backgrounds and contributed to the development of Israeli culture, which follows cultural trends and changes across the globe as well as expressing a unique spirit of its own. Israeli culture also reflects Jewish history in the diaspora, especially the ideology of the Zionist movement beginning in the late 19th century. Israeli traditions are rooted in a synthesis of ethnic and religious Hebrew Israelite traditions, and Israeli artists continually push the boundaries of their art forms. Through their work, Israel's artists provoke self-reflective and communal examination. Their creative and open discussions inspire social change, innovative thinking and multidisciplinary experimentation, while expressing the beauty of the people and the land of Israel.[1] Zionism is partly based on religious tradition. It links the Jewish people to the Land of Israel where the concept of Jewish nationhood first evolved between 1200 BCE and 70 CE (end of the Second Temple era). However, modern Zionism evolved both politically and religiously.[2] It mostly began as a response to the widespread antisemitism toward European Judaism. It constituted a branch of the broader phenomenon of modern nationalism. Though Zionist groups were first competing with other Jewish political movements, Zionism became an equivalent to political Judaism during and after the Holocaust.
The opening paragraph is a bit racist, as the nation of Israel, despite the government's desire to be called "The Jewish State", is still home to an Arab population that, even if the Jewish Israelis (or certain wikipedians, for that matter) would rather they didn't exist, constitutes 20% of the modern Israeli state. I suggest a complete re-writing of this article, so as to better reflect the demographic reality of Israel today.
Solntsa90 ( talk) 09:32, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
For starters, I suggest we incorporate more pictures of Old Yishuv and Arab Israelis (not Palestinian mind you, as it seems a few users here can't tell the difference, and such users shouldn't be editing articles about Israel in my opinion)in daily life, as well as pictures of Islamic and Christian Israeli culture.
For example, incorporating a picture or two of Nazereth can kill two birds with one stone, showing some Arab and Christian perspective at the same time. For a minority that represents 20-25% of Israel's total population, Arabs need to have more weight in this article, as you can't write about the the "Culture of Israel" if you leave out the voices of almost a quarter of the population.
With that said, there is an image I like from the "Nazareth" article of fireworks on Christmas Eve that I will be adding, as it's a good pictorial representation of the fact that Israel is not just Jews and Muslims.
Beyond that, some sources need to be gathered on the Arab perspective, particularly, from Arab-Israeli historians, as we don't want to make the mistake of framing their whole existence in a Western/Jewish framework. Solntsa90 ( talk) 03:54, 9 May 2013 (UTC) ,
You commented:
Christianity is a minority in Israel; Judaism a significant majority. Images must reflect that way. Holy Land is a Christian term and should only be used as link when is Christian-related, like "Christian pilgrims visited the Holy Land"."
In response:
1.) Jews are indeed the majority, but they are still only 75% of the country, and the fact that All of the pictures currently reflect only Judaica is inappropriate and a sign of WP:Bias;
2.) There is not a single cultural pictoral representation for the 2+ million non-Jews in Israel.
Thus, I suggest the picture of "Christmas in Nazereth" stays, as it kills three birds with one stone: It shows that not all Arabs in Israel are Muslims, it showcases Nazereth, an Arab city, and it showcases Christianity, another significant minority in Israel.
No more pictures of Judaica need to be added to this article. There are way more than enough. the 75% of Israel's culture has been covered. pictures are needed for the 25% of Israel that isn't represented fairly, or at all, in this article.
Solntsa90 ( talk) 23:17, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Arabs, far from being "widely mentioned in this article" are mentioned only in the first paragraph, and that's mostly my doing. Secondly, all of the "Israeli culture" posted doesn't reflect the Arab, Muslim/Christian presence--Shrine of the Book houses texts holy to Judaism and it's Tanakh, so that doesn't reflect Arab culture either.
On the picture of Judaica, it's not appropriate for the article "culture of Israel; it's like starting every Islamic State's wiki article with a 3D Crescent Star[.gif]] image. Judaica is much more appropriate in the articles about Judaism, also considering the fact that secular Israelis (of which there are many) my not identify with such symbols, thus making an attempt to place Judaica items as akin to placing a Cross in the opening page of "Denmark", because Denmark is officially Christian.
Now, on a completely sepratenote...Gilabrand? Tzofim? That is by no means in Israel; As per WP:Consensus, International law, American law (where wiki servers are hosted), etc. Tzofim is not in Israel, and I'll take it as a mistake of which of course happens and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on in good faith. If willfully placed however, it is not appropriate. Solntsa90 ( talk) 08:35, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
In fact, we're both correct, and it was an initial mis-linking to the Tzofim illegal settlement, which probably needs a disambiguation. But yes: Tzofim is both an illegal settlement and a scout movement.
Also, I agree with Ajnem 100% and that has been my attempted contribution to the Israel articles: to check for WP:BIAS and to help Israel's diversity be showcased and included in an article about the WHOLE of Israel, not just the 75%, of which, once again due to WP:BIAS, the Jewish narrative is the most predominant in all of the articles about Israel, to the exclusion of Druze, Arabs, Africans, etc.
There is nothing wrong with the Jewish narrative being most of the article, since it is Israel. But I think every article relating to Israel on wiki should be checked to include minority narratives: Otherwise, it's just like talking about South Africa without mentioning whites, or America without ever mentioning blacks. Solntsa90 ( talk) 01:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Is it really appropriate to have this photo in the article, as it doesn't really relate to mainstream Israeli culture, and indeed, it might even offend some orthodox Jews who wouldn't want their holy sacred symbols affiliated with secular Israeli culture (which I thought this article was about, seeing as Israeli culture =/= Jewish culture).
That, and it's a bit of a push to have it as the opening photo in a state that, while Judaism is the state religion, it'd be like putting a Cross in the opening article of Denmark or the UK, since both are officially Christian nations. Solntsa90 ( talk) 10:14, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm getting concerned, and more than a little offended, by trends that I see here.
I'm going to strongly suggest the following so that this article doesn't go the way of so many articles in being a forum for Israeli-Arab conflict:
Thanks to all for your cooperation. If you're Jewish, chag sameach. StevenJ81 ( talk) 15:33, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
On your points:
1.) First-off, I see NO ONE denigrating Jewish culture; Who do you see denigrating Jews or their culture, or it's role in Israel? If you see this, please, cite it and point it out please, and in fact, report it to an Administrator immediately (assuming you aren't one yourself). Otherwise, please be cautious with wild accusations with limited evidence to carry them. Otherwise, I'd say that the article, far from "denigrating" Jews, almost denigrates Arabs, Druze, etc. by completely writing them out of this narrative, Hence why I'm stressing the inclusion for more diversity. So if Israeli and Jewish culture are synonymous, then what was the whole Chuck Hagel "Jewish Lobby/anti-Semitism" controversy all about? But that's another story.
2.) Secondly, Referring to Jews as "Jewish", and minorities as "other things" is extremely offensive, and borderline racist. They are people, not "things" . To your other points, We're not here to discuss Zionism, Anti-Zionism, the importance of Israel to the Jewish people (which , etc. We're here to describe the culture of the Israeli population, Jew, Muslim, Atheist and Christian. Your "Raison d'etre" seems a bit NPOV, and indeed, might even constitute original research, so unless you have proper unbiased citation, this cannot be included in the article.
3.) Jewish Culture and Israeli culture, contrary to your opinion, are completely different. Even if Jewish culture has influenced Israeli culture significantly, Not all Jews are Israeli, Not all Israelis are Jews. Thus to equate Jewish culture with Israeli culture is to do a grave dis-service to the reader, and borders on offensiveness towards non-Jewish Israelis. Mentioning Jewish culture and its influence on secular Israeli culture definitely has its place in this article, that does not mean it should dominate the article to the exclusion of the 2,000,000 non-Jews in Israel (And to reiterate as before, reflecting this reality does not mean one is denigrating Jewish culture, and to suggest such requires evidence of some sort).
4.) I will not agree to a moratorium until I believe that the minorities of Israel are adequately represented in the images of this article. This has vastly improved, but I still question the Judaica.jpg file's place in this article. I think that is close to conflating Israeli culture with Jewish culture, when they are in fact not one in the same.
Read the discussions on this page, if you'd like to help this article, you can add more Christian, Muslim, Druze, etc. perspective, which this article is still sorely lacking. That would be the best thing you can do right now to help it improve.
Азбука, к мудрости ступенька (As the Russians say),
Solntsa90 ( talk) 21:26, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
SoIntsa90, I am getting fairly frustrated at this point. I really, really take your point, and I'm really trying to assume good faith. But I don't agree with your POV on this, and I especially don't agree with the way you are handling this. And mostly, I think per WP:NPOV that there are several ways to look at this, and they don't all require this picture to be deleted, as much as the picture seems to bother you.
Please consider further discussion here rather than making more unilateral decisions on removing pictures. StevenJ81 ( talk) 15:40, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Explain to me how you can talk about the culture of Israel before 1948 when it didn't exist? Any history before that cannot be part of a country which didn't exist. Perhaps it was part of Judean tradition or Palestinian tradition but not Israel. Marccran ( talk) 02:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
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Content in Philosophy and Science and technology sections contain content from Martin Buber, Yeshayahu Leibowitz, Joseph Raz and Science and technology in Israel. Infantom ( talk) 13:25, 28 January 2018 (UTC)