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The two different meanings within the code of nomenclature seem to me to have too much emphasis, which is getting in the way of explaining what a cultivar is to those who don't know. I'd like to trim the lede to remove that discussion from that part of the page (leaving it below under "Formal definition"). As it stands I hesitate to do what I had intended, which was to list "cv." as an abbreviation, link to it from CV, and from Malus (the last of which needs some cleaning up about how it formats cultivar names, but that would require a clear definition of cultivar and cv.). Nadiatalent ( talk) 12:24, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Granitethighs, re: this revert and this note – I put the link back in, at least (important concepts like cultivar group should be linked at first occurrence). I don't agree with your capitalization of "Group" as a term itself; just because it is capitalized when used as part of scientific name, immediately after the group name, does not mean we would capitalize it outside of that context. It looks silly and it's simply grammatically wrong, like writing "I founded a software Company", mistaking the capitalization immediately after a company names (e.g. The New York Times Company) for a general requirement to always capitalize it. And decapitalizing it doesn't change the meaning, since "group" in the context of cultivars doesn't have some magically different meaning when the case is changed. I don't care if the article calls it a "group" or spells it out as "cultivar group". Our article is at "cultivar group", so if you want to change it, you'll need to take that up with editors at that article. Also, "grex" shouldn't be capitalized, either. In one place it was (I fixed it), while it wasn't otherwise. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 08:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't need to work out anything with ICNCP. You are simply failing completely to understand the argument I'm making, so I consider it to remain unchallenged on logical grounds. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 23:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I've waited almost four months for a reasoned response to the capitalization abuse issue raised above, and not received one, so I'm going with what MOS says and clarifying the messy, confusing use and misuse of the term and capitalization of it in this article. I've changed it to not refer to anything but cultivar group by the word "group" herein, and to capitalize that term, per MOS:CAPS, only where the actual standard is to do so, i.e. when it is used in a name. If anyone has an issue with that, take it up at WT:MOS, because it's going to be about how this term is treated site-wide, not just in this article. Actually, I've done this already at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Cultivar group capitalization, as more than two editors' input here would be helpful to arriving at a consensus. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 23:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
As I stated before, the capitalized word Group has a very specific meaning ib Cultivated Plant taxonomy. You clearly do not understand this field of study where precision of word presentation and use is critical. In the interests of avoiding "weird stylistic ideas" you have suggested modifications that will result in the following botanical entities:
Amazing though you might find this claim it is absolutely true. All of these are technically different entities. In a campaign for political correctness you sadly do not have the interests of the wikipedia reader at heart or the interests of plant science. The logic of this claim is absolutely clear - what is also perfectly clear is that you have no intention of listening to reason. As noted in the article the capitalisation of Group is specified in the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants so you can check this out for yourself - click on the link. (Cultivated Plant Code Art. 3 Brickell 2009, pp. 10–12). Granitethighs 06:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Can someone explain in plain English what the difference is between the two definitions? -- Bod ( talk) 22:41, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Which of the following passages, as the beginning of the introduction to this article, is more readily understood by a general, non-specialized reader?
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From Study.com:
It's no contest in my opinion: the Study.com text is far more easily understood by anyone who is not already familiar with the term cultivar and botany in general. I plan to rework the opening sentences using the Study.com text as a guide in achieving the goal for the introduction to this, or any article: to be instantly comprehensible to non-specialized people, who form the majority of this site's readership. Comments invited.
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Hello, I am asking if is there a taxonomic rank below cultivar? like subcultivar? if there are more then one please tell me! also below cultivar is there format? BloxyColaSweet ( talk) 21:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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The two different meanings within the code of nomenclature seem to me to have too much emphasis, which is getting in the way of explaining what a cultivar is to those who don't know. I'd like to trim the lede to remove that discussion from that part of the page (leaving it below under "Formal definition"). As it stands I hesitate to do what I had intended, which was to list "cv." as an abbreviation, link to it from CV, and from Malus (the last of which needs some cleaning up about how it formats cultivar names, but that would require a clear definition of cultivar and cv.). Nadiatalent ( talk) 12:24, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Granitethighs, re: this revert and this note – I put the link back in, at least (important concepts like cultivar group should be linked at first occurrence). I don't agree with your capitalization of "Group" as a term itself; just because it is capitalized when used as part of scientific name, immediately after the group name, does not mean we would capitalize it outside of that context. It looks silly and it's simply grammatically wrong, like writing "I founded a software Company", mistaking the capitalization immediately after a company names (e.g. The New York Times Company) for a general requirement to always capitalize it. And decapitalizing it doesn't change the meaning, since "group" in the context of cultivars doesn't have some magically different meaning when the case is changed. I don't care if the article calls it a "group" or spells it out as "cultivar group". Our article is at "cultivar group", so if you want to change it, you'll need to take that up with editors at that article. Also, "grex" shouldn't be capitalized, either. In one place it was (I fixed it), while it wasn't otherwise. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 08:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't need to work out anything with ICNCP. You are simply failing completely to understand the argument I'm making, so I consider it to remain unchallenged on logical grounds. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 23:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I've waited almost four months for a reasoned response to the capitalization abuse issue raised above, and not received one, so I'm going with what MOS says and clarifying the messy, confusing use and misuse of the term and capitalization of it in this article. I've changed it to not refer to anything but cultivar group by the word "group" herein, and to capitalize that term, per MOS:CAPS, only where the actual standard is to do so, i.e. when it is used in a name. If anyone has an issue with that, take it up at WT:MOS, because it's going to be about how this term is treated site-wide, not just in this article. Actually, I've done this already at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Cultivar group capitalization, as more than two editors' input here would be helpful to arriving at a consensus. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ɖ∘¿¤þ Contrib. 23:25, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
As I stated before, the capitalized word Group has a very specific meaning ib Cultivated Plant taxonomy. You clearly do not understand this field of study where precision of word presentation and use is critical. In the interests of avoiding "weird stylistic ideas" you have suggested modifications that will result in the following botanical entities:
Amazing though you might find this claim it is absolutely true. All of these are technically different entities. In a campaign for political correctness you sadly do not have the interests of the wikipedia reader at heart or the interests of plant science. The logic of this claim is absolutely clear - what is also perfectly clear is that you have no intention of listening to reason. As noted in the article the capitalisation of Group is specified in the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants so you can check this out for yourself - click on the link. (Cultivated Plant Code Art. 3 Brickell 2009, pp. 10–12). Granitethighs 06:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Can someone explain in plain English what the difference is between the two definitions? -- Bod ( talk) 22:41, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, I am asking if is there a taxonomic rank below cultivar? like subcultivar? if there are more then one please tell me! also below cultivar is there format? BloxyColaSweet ( talk) 21:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
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