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The "Idols in Mecca" section has a very non-objective view placing Islamic Religious claims as "the Historical truth". Someone should probably edit this to give it more neutral language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.6.246.240 ( talk) 20:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
So, why were no sources cited? I, for one, would like to know the academic data from which this article has been cullt, because it is a subject that I am in the process of researching, at the moment.
so why is there a seperate section for it? Terrasidius ( talk) 18:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
{{
Main|Idolatry}}
at the top of it. Otherwise this is going to turn into a
WP:POV fork to present alternative views of idolatry in Abrahamic religions. —
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13:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)It's surprising how little there is outside the Abrahamic, given how pervasive this is in world religions. Why is that? And how is it particularly relevant/part of christianity? 66.170.243.1 ( talk) 17:01, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
An idol is worship, a cult image can be worshipped or venerated. Rafaelosornio ( talk) 17:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Reasonable arguments from both sides and votes are roughly split. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Cult image →
Ritual object – Use modern, broad, non-confusing anthropological term. While "cult" does have a non-PoV definition in that field, that is also sometimes used in art history, etc., its use has been declining markedly over the last couple of generations, with the rise of "cult" in everyday English meaning "weird little pseudo-religious group full of nutjobs", the meaning virtually all of our readers are familiar with, and which is very difficult to shake. It's objectionable to many Hindus, Native Americans, and others, to have their ritual objects referred to as "cult" images/objects. "Image" is also too narrow, as many ritual objects are not images per se. The present name of the article has encouraged the shifting of this page toward a Christianity-focused
WP:POVFORK of
Idolatry, and presents both
WP:UNDUE and
WP:POV problems as well as this viewpoint splitting redundancy. We already have an article about idols (and ikons, and other "cult images") in Abrahamic religions at that other article. What we do not have is a balanced article on ritual objects and their uses, cultural roles, similarities and differences, cultural appropriation, etc., from an objective, analytical point of view, though the present article can and should be that, and has been trying to be that, both for anthropological and closely related art historical approaches. —
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The lead cites three dictionaries to say that idol is a pejorative term. None of these dictionaries actually say that though. We either need an actual source that says that idol is pejorative or we should remove the sentence. Perhaps we even consider moving the easily misunderstood “cult” image to “idol “. When the average person thinks of a “cult”, they don’t have nicer associations than they do with an “idol”.— Ermenrich ( talk) 11:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
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The "Idols in Mecca" section has a very non-objective view placing Islamic Religious claims as "the Historical truth". Someone should probably edit this to give it more neutral language —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.6.246.240 ( talk) 20:41, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
So, why were no sources cited? I, for one, would like to know the academic data from which this article has been cullt, because it is a subject that I am in the process of researching, at the moment.
so why is there a seperate section for it? Terrasidius ( talk) 18:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
{{
Main|Idolatry}}
at the top of it. Otherwise this is going to turn into a
WP:POV fork to present alternative views of idolatry in Abrahamic religions. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼
13:16, 14 September 2015 (UTC)It's surprising how little there is outside the Abrahamic, given how pervasive this is in world religions. Why is that? And how is it particularly relevant/part of christianity? 66.170.243.1 ( talk) 17:01, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
An idol is worship, a cult image can be worshipped or venerated. Rafaelosornio ( talk) 17:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus. Reasonable arguments from both sides and votes are roughly split. Jenks24 ( talk) 16:10, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Cult image →
Ritual object – Use modern, broad, non-confusing anthropological term. While "cult" does have a non-PoV definition in that field, that is also sometimes used in art history, etc., its use has been declining markedly over the last couple of generations, with the rise of "cult" in everyday English meaning "weird little pseudo-religious group full of nutjobs", the meaning virtually all of our readers are familiar with, and which is very difficult to shake. It's objectionable to many Hindus, Native Americans, and others, to have their ritual objects referred to as "cult" images/objects. "Image" is also too narrow, as many ritual objects are not images per se. The present name of the article has encouraged the shifting of this page toward a Christianity-focused
WP:POVFORK of
Idolatry, and presents both
WP:UNDUE and
WP:POV problems as well as this viewpoint splitting redundancy. We already have an article about idols (and ikons, and other "cult images") in Abrahamic religions at that other article. What we do not have is a balanced article on ritual objects and their uses, cultural roles, similarities and differences, cultural appropriation, etc., from an objective, analytical point of view, though the present article can and should be that, and has been trying to be that, both for anthropological and closely related art historical approaches. —
SMcCandlish ☺
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The lead cites three dictionaries to say that idol is a pejorative term. None of these dictionaries actually say that though. We either need an actual source that says that idol is pejorative or we should remove the sentence. Perhaps we even consider moving the easily misunderstood “cult” image to “idol “. When the average person thinks of a “cult”, they don’t have nicer associations than they do with an “idol”.— Ermenrich ( talk) 11:52, 17 October 2022 (UTC)
Johnbod ( talk) 15:01, 17 October 2022 (UTC)