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Anything on Billiards' game complexity? Is it infinite since there are infinite many positions and thus possibilities? 70.111.251.203 14:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Sadly I can't remember where, but someone actually did the math, and it's not infinite, but a very huge number. Because the balls, pockets, etc. have some "give" not every possible position of everything is significant (i.e. a difference of one micron in the position of one ball from one gendankenexperiment table to another doesn't make it different enough that the outcome of any conceivable shot would change.) Under that sort of definition, someone figured out how many possible pool layouts there were (I'd guess in an
eight-ball game, though I don't recall for sure), and it was in the quadrillions (by way of comparison, there have been fewer that one quadrillion seconds since the estimated time of the Big Bang!). If I ever find it again, I'll add it (sourced) to a "Trivia" section trivia sections have been deprecated since I wrote that. 05:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC) —
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I don't know that the comment on whether billiards (or cue sports if you insist,) makes sense in the introduction. The introduction should mention common games such as 8-ball, 9-ball, snooker, and three cushion billards (and other widespread variations. It should probably attempt to clarify the usage of the term billiards which is confusing to most people. It should differentiate carom and pocket billiard games as they are important broad categories. It should mention the popularity of league play, with mention of some important sanctioning bodies WPA, BCA etc.
In the past, I did a lot of work on this article and would like to see it improved
166.34.148.192 22:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone agree the list is misplaced, not to mention uncredited? More important, to me at least, would be a list of famous players hopefully not just in the US. Can we agree to remove or move that section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.34.148.192 ( talk) 22:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
[Salient comment refactored in from another thread:]
Someone wrote that the predominant use of green cloth on tables was a happy coincidence resulting in reduced eye strain, as the human eye is least sensitive to green light, which is incorrect. What is more, the reference that this person used to justify their claim ( A Strategy for the Use of Light Emitting Diodes by Autonomous Underwater Vehicles) directly contradicts the assertion that the human eye is least sensitive to green light. Hence, I've removed it. -- Nezuji 04:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
"and for those of you watching in black and white, the pink is behind the green ..." - Ted Lowe -- PBS ( talk) 23:13, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I also saw some Poker pool balls using Google Image Search. Honestly! There were blue balls marked J (for Jack), red balls marked Q (for Queen), purple balls marked K (for King), and yellow balls marked A (for Ace).-- Mathexpressions 04:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
A picture of billiard balls striking other billiard balls in constant motion would look really cool in my POV. Does anybody know how to find or create a .gif image of constant movement? If so, please add it to this article; plus, I could use an image like this for my coming article on philosophy. Here's a gif file of balls bouncing:-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 15:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cue sports/Archive 1#Charles Dickens on billiards! for details.
This article needs some references to some sort of standards for cue sports, such as pool. There seems to be lots of variety in table sizes and pocket widths available, ball size or weight, surface characteristics, cue characteristics or other factors designed to assure uniformity in the game. Perhaps this is deliberate - if so it should at least have some sort of minimum standards, e.g. a "level playing field" (pardon the pun). This should be especially important to tournament players. There are case examples with tournament bodies deliberately increasing table size and reducing pocket size in order to make the game more challenging for top players. -- 71.245.164.83 ( talk) 02:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The article currently contains the sentence:
Dating to approximately 1800, English billiards is a hybrid of carom and pocket billiards played on a 6-foot (1.8 m) by 12-foot (3.7 m) table
While it may be convent to describe to an American who does not know the game that the game is like carom but played on a snooker table which is similar to a large pool table. The wording does not say that it says that it is a bybrid of carom and pocket billiards. Is there any evidence that pool had any influence on the development of English billiards? If not then to remove the ambiguity from the current sentence the sentence needs changing to something like:
Dating to approximately 1800, English billiards is similar to carom, but unlike caron, which is played on a pocket-less table, English billiards is played on a snooker table and the potting balls is an integral part of the game.
-- PBS ( talk) 23:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I could be wrong but I think you are interpreting pocket billiards in the sentence as meaning pool in this strict sense, but it says nothing of the sort. "Snooker is a form of pocket billiards played on a special table in which 21 balls..." — George Sullivan The complete beginner's guide to pool and other billiard games 1979, p. 3. If you don't like that, try this London publication from long before most games that would later come under the scope of "pool" were even invented: "ATTEMPTS have before now been made to apply supplementary sections of cushion to pocket billiard-tables for the pur-pose of transforming them into carom tables, but these efforts have failed..." — The Furniture Gazette, 1880, London. Note that English Billiards, in fact, predates Snooker by about 80 years and was a combination of three games, two of which required pocketing ball as part of play and of course were thus played on pocket billiards table.
Regarding the text you replaced it with, it has some real problems. English Billiards is not "similar to carom billiards". That sentence would only make sense if carom billiards was a specific game. One could say it incorporates aspects typical of carom billiards games despite being played on a pocket billiards table. One could also say its typically played on a snooker table in modern times, despite thaty it predates snooker. But really what should be said is that it incorporates aspects of both pockets billiards and of carom billiards; one might even say it's a hybrid game between the two, exactly as it did before, though maybe the word hybrid is the sticking point, having a slightly different connotation than "incorporates aspects of..." or similar formulation.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The term pocket billiards is used inconsistently in the article. Does it mean:
or is it a generic name for all billiard [type] games played on a table with pockets as in its is used in the section Cue sports#Major games (carom and pocket). Because if the latter then the former is confusing and is further confused by the hatnote:
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(Where "Pocket billiards" links to Pool (cue sports)).
In a similar way the section Cue sports#List of cue sports says that "English billiards (another hybrid)" of "Carom billiards games", but in the previous talk section we have established that it is not a hybrid (as it is at least as old as all modern billiard games and modern pocket-less Carom games), and if "Snooker (see below; popularly regarded as its own sport, not a pool variant)" is its own sport so is English billiards.
If it can not be decided what "Pocket billiards" means in American English and Commonwealth English then we should avoid using the term, or define what we mean by it before it is used in the article. Also I do not think that sources over 30 years old, should be used to define a term like "Pocket billiards" as language changes and usage of such phrases does as well. Eg if the American professional organisations have been pressing for it to mean pool type games, and snooker professional organisations tend not to use the term, then it is probably better to define it that American way and stick with that American usage in an article such as this.
If "Pocket billiards" turns out not to have one meaning, and a definition can not be agreed upon then perhaps we should alter the section Cue sports#List of cue sports so that the list is either by table type sections, or by section based on the governing bodies of the various sports.
-- PBS ( talk) 22:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
(Outdent) For purposes of this article, "pocket billiards" should be interpreted in the broader sense, and American usage as meaning "just pool" can't really be shown to be a consistent usage. What's happened is that people with little familiarity with the topic went on the warpath back when and insisted that
Pocket billiards be moved to
Pool (cue sports), and similarly with the category (the CfD was unbelievably absurd, and ignored the category naming conventions, but succeeded anyway). The problem is that plans to detail the evolution of pocket billiards (billiards on pocket tables) and its writing up its history as it forked into English billiards, snooker, pool, Russian pyramid, etc., basically got derailed by this, with a lot of resultant confusion. That could have been all in the same
Pocket billiards article, which could have spawned a separate pool article if necessary. This is a really good case of people who are not specialists in a complicated area causing problems with they move for major article and categorization changes. But I digress. I am already working on a sourced, all-new
Pocket billiards article that will rectify the situation. It will be
WP:SUMMARY-style and include short bits on the pocket games/game types, with {{
Main}}
for each, and have a well-sourced history section unique to this article. This will obviate the need to go into history on the more specific game articles before the arising of their modern forms (i.e. the
Pool (pocket billiards) article needn't give historical detailia earlier than the late 1800s after the new
Pocket billiards article is done. Fuhghettaboutit, if you are also already working on such a solution, we need to merge our drafts I guess. And please jog my memory: There was an article draft or two in your userspace that I think you wanted or didn't mind outsider work on, but I can't remember which one(s). —
SMcCandlish
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05:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
PS: Did some cleanup on this in the article. The terminology should be far less confusing now, though Pocket billiards still goes to Pool (cue sports) for the short term, until that's done and posted. THIS article still needs an immense amount of cleanup. It's really bad. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 06:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Is there an equivalent term in english for the finnish word "taskubiljardi" (literally "pocket billiards", meaning keeping hands in pocket)? Just somehow occurred to me when I saw this section here... 85.217.36.130 ( talk) 04:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to a quirk of editing history, we have a detailed description of pool games in the general article Cue sports#Games played on a pool table and a far less detailed description in Pool (cue sports)#Game types. So I am going to swap the two section. -- PBS ( talk) 16:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
In the cue balls picture text reads: Not shown: half-scale children's miniature pool—approximately 28.5 mm (1 1⁄8 in).
But, I have a "MINI POOL TABLE", as the box reads, a 20.5 × 11.5 cm (about 8 × 4.5 in) table with 9.5 mm (3/8 in) balls. Though, the table and balls are probably not the same material than "normal" sets.
85.217.36.130 (
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I expect I will have to live with it – as the expression does seem to be in fairly wide use, especially on the Web – but I continue to find the term "cue sports" a very strange one (and one I would never have thought of looking for before stumbling across this page). It's not the word cue but the use of the term sports. For me, billiards, pool, snooker, and all the rest are games, not "sports". My view of the matter is doubtless influenced by the fact that I am someone who loves playing games but hates sport... -- Picapica ( talk) 12:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed this portion:
" The first known mention of a form of the word "billiards" appears in Edmund Spenser's Mother Hubberd's Tale in 1591, where he speaks of "all thriftles games that may be found ... with dice, with cards, with balliards." [1] "
Because, the statement made is not true, likewise, the meaning of the sentence is not clear. As an example, billiard tables were being licensed in Holland (and in other countries) as early as the 1470s. Surely a form of the word "billiard" appeared in writing, and was used verbally prior to 1591. As a matter of fact, the wiki article itself currently contradicts the 1591 claim by mentioning the Duke of Norfolk and Queen Mary.
To be accurate, the sentence should have specified: the first known "mention in writing" (which it's not) Or the first known mention in a "book". (are you sure?) Or the first known mention "verbally".(highly unlikely)
Taken one step further, why would "bille" NOT be a form of the word: billiards?
DB Bond ( talk) 18:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
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The history section said "In 1588, the Duke of Norfolk, owned a 'billyard bord coered with a greene cloth... three billyard sticks and 11 balls of yvery'." There was no Duke of Norfolk in 1588, so I deleted the info, which is obviously mistaken. Leefeni de Karik ( talk) 01:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The billiard ball image labeled 57 mm as 2 1/4 inches when 2 1/4 inches is 57.15 mm. 2 inches is 50.8 mm whereas 51 mm is 2 1/127 inches which's 0.393700787401574803183734729827847331762% (or just over 0.39%) above 2 inches. Pool balls have a diameter tolerance no greater than +/- 0.005 inches which is 0.22222222222+% of its diameter yet the rules also state so. I knew correction had to be done on the image description, as one thing must equal and match another and such balls are measured in specific sizes and by rule of the games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.58.216.93 ( talk) 12:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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Anything on Billiards' game complexity? Is it infinite since there are infinite many positions and thus possibilities? 70.111.251.203 14:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Sadly I can't remember where, but someone actually did the math, and it's not infinite, but a very huge number. Because the balls, pockets, etc. have some "give" not every possible position of everything is significant (i.e. a difference of one micron in the position of one ball from one gendankenexperiment table to another doesn't make it different enough that the outcome of any conceivable shot would change.) Under that sort of definition, someone figured out how many possible pool layouts there were (I'd guess in an
eight-ball game, though I don't recall for sure), and it was in the quadrillions (by way of comparison, there have been fewer that one quadrillion seconds since the estimated time of the Big Bang!). If I ever find it again, I'll add it (sourced) to a "Trivia" section trivia sections have been deprecated since I wrote that. 05:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC) —
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I don't know that the comment on whether billiards (or cue sports if you insist,) makes sense in the introduction. The introduction should mention common games such as 8-ball, 9-ball, snooker, and three cushion billards (and other widespread variations. It should probably attempt to clarify the usage of the term billiards which is confusing to most people. It should differentiate carom and pocket billiard games as they are important broad categories. It should mention the popularity of league play, with mention of some important sanctioning bodies WPA, BCA etc.
In the past, I did a lot of work on this article and would like to see it improved
166.34.148.192 22:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone agree the list is misplaced, not to mention uncredited? More important, to me at least, would be a list of famous players hopefully not just in the US. Can we agree to remove or move that section? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.34.148.192 ( talk) 22:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
[Salient comment refactored in from another thread:]
Someone wrote that the predominant use of green cloth on tables was a happy coincidence resulting in reduced eye strain, as the human eye is least sensitive to green light, which is incorrect. What is more, the reference that this person used to justify their claim ( A Strategy for the Use of Light Emitting Diodes by Autonomous Underwater Vehicles) directly contradicts the assertion that the human eye is least sensitive to green light. Hence, I've removed it. -- Nezuji 04:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
"and for those of you watching in black and white, the pink is behind the green ..." - Ted Lowe -- PBS ( talk) 23:13, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I also saw some Poker pool balls using Google Image Search. Honestly! There were blue balls marked J (for Jack), red balls marked Q (for Queen), purple balls marked K (for King), and yellow balls marked A (for Ace).-- Mathexpressions 04:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
A picture of billiard balls striking other billiard balls in constant motion would look really cool in my POV. Does anybody know how to find or create a .gif image of constant movement? If so, please add it to this article; plus, I could use an image like this for my coming article on philosophy. Here's a gif file of balls bouncing:-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 15:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cue sports/Archive 1#Charles Dickens on billiards! for details.
This article needs some references to some sort of standards for cue sports, such as pool. There seems to be lots of variety in table sizes and pocket widths available, ball size or weight, surface characteristics, cue characteristics or other factors designed to assure uniformity in the game. Perhaps this is deliberate - if so it should at least have some sort of minimum standards, e.g. a "level playing field" (pardon the pun). This should be especially important to tournament players. There are case examples with tournament bodies deliberately increasing table size and reducing pocket size in order to make the game more challenging for top players. -- 71.245.164.83 ( talk) 02:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
The article currently contains the sentence:
Dating to approximately 1800, English billiards is a hybrid of carom and pocket billiards played on a 6-foot (1.8 m) by 12-foot (3.7 m) table
While it may be convent to describe to an American who does not know the game that the game is like carom but played on a snooker table which is similar to a large pool table. The wording does not say that it says that it is a bybrid of carom and pocket billiards. Is there any evidence that pool had any influence on the development of English billiards? If not then to remove the ambiguity from the current sentence the sentence needs changing to something like:
Dating to approximately 1800, English billiards is similar to carom, but unlike caron, which is played on a pocket-less table, English billiards is played on a snooker table and the potting balls is an integral part of the game.
-- PBS ( talk) 23:04, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I could be wrong but I think you are interpreting pocket billiards in the sentence as meaning pool in this strict sense, but it says nothing of the sort. "Snooker is a form of pocket billiards played on a special table in which 21 balls..." — George Sullivan The complete beginner's guide to pool and other billiard games 1979, p. 3. If you don't like that, try this London publication from long before most games that would later come under the scope of "pool" were even invented: "ATTEMPTS have before now been made to apply supplementary sections of cushion to pocket billiard-tables for the pur-pose of transforming them into carom tables, but these efforts have failed..." — The Furniture Gazette, 1880, London. Note that English Billiards, in fact, predates Snooker by about 80 years and was a combination of three games, two of which required pocketing ball as part of play and of course were thus played on pocket billiards table.
Regarding the text you replaced it with, it has some real problems. English Billiards is not "similar to carom billiards". That sentence would only make sense if carom billiards was a specific game. One could say it incorporates aspects typical of carom billiards games despite being played on a pocket billiards table. One could also say its typically played on a snooker table in modern times, despite thaty it predates snooker. But really what should be said is that it incorporates aspects of both pockets billiards and of carom billiards; one might even say it's a hybrid game between the two, exactly as it did before, though maybe the word hybrid is the sticking point, having a slightly different connotation than "incorporates aspects of..." or similar formulation.-- Fuhghettaboutit ( talk) 00:07, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
The term pocket billiards is used inconsistently in the article. Does it mean:
or is it a generic name for all billiard [type] games played on a table with pockets as in its is used in the section Cue sports#Major games (carom and pocket). Because if the latter then the former is confusing and is further confused by the hatnote:
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(Where "Pocket billiards" links to Pool (cue sports)).
In a similar way the section Cue sports#List of cue sports says that "English billiards (another hybrid)" of "Carom billiards games", but in the previous talk section we have established that it is not a hybrid (as it is at least as old as all modern billiard games and modern pocket-less Carom games), and if "Snooker (see below; popularly regarded as its own sport, not a pool variant)" is its own sport so is English billiards.
If it can not be decided what "Pocket billiards" means in American English and Commonwealth English then we should avoid using the term, or define what we mean by it before it is used in the article. Also I do not think that sources over 30 years old, should be used to define a term like "Pocket billiards" as language changes and usage of such phrases does as well. Eg if the American professional organisations have been pressing for it to mean pool type games, and snooker professional organisations tend not to use the term, then it is probably better to define it that American way and stick with that American usage in an article such as this.
If "Pocket billiards" turns out not to have one meaning, and a definition can not be agreed upon then perhaps we should alter the section Cue sports#List of cue sports so that the list is either by table type sections, or by section based on the governing bodies of the various sports.
-- PBS ( talk) 22:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
(Outdent) For purposes of this article, "pocket billiards" should be interpreted in the broader sense, and American usage as meaning "just pool" can't really be shown to be a consistent usage. What's happened is that people with little familiarity with the topic went on the warpath back when and insisted that
Pocket billiards be moved to
Pool (cue sports), and similarly with the category (the CfD was unbelievably absurd, and ignored the category naming conventions, but succeeded anyway). The problem is that plans to detail the evolution of pocket billiards (billiards on pocket tables) and its writing up its history as it forked into English billiards, snooker, pool, Russian pyramid, etc., basically got derailed by this, with a lot of resultant confusion. That could have been all in the same
Pocket billiards article, which could have spawned a separate pool article if necessary. This is a really good case of people who are not specialists in a complicated area causing problems with they move for major article and categorization changes. But I digress. I am already working on a sourced, all-new
Pocket billiards article that will rectify the situation. It will be
WP:SUMMARY-style and include short bits on the pocket games/game types, with {{
Main}}
for each, and have a well-sourced history section unique to this article. This will obviate the need to go into history on the more specific game articles before the arising of their modern forms (i.e. the
Pool (pocket billiards) article needn't give historical detailia earlier than the late 1800s after the new
Pocket billiards article is done. Fuhghettaboutit, if you are also already working on such a solution, we need to merge our drafts I guess. And please jog my memory: There was an article draft or two in your userspace that I think you wanted or didn't mind outsider work on, but I can't remember which one(s). —
SMcCandlish
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05:38, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
PS: Did some cleanup on this in the article. The terminology should be far less confusing now, though Pocket billiards still goes to Pool (cue sports) for the short term, until that's done and posted. THIS article still needs an immense amount of cleanup. It's really bad. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 06:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Is there an equivalent term in english for the finnish word "taskubiljardi" (literally "pocket billiards", meaning keeping hands in pocket)? Just somehow occurred to me when I saw this section here... 85.217.36.130 ( talk) 04:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks to a quirk of editing history, we have a detailed description of pool games in the general article Cue sports#Games played on a pool table and a far less detailed description in Pool (cue sports)#Game types. So I am going to swap the two section. -- PBS ( talk) 16:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
In the cue balls picture text reads: Not shown: half-scale children's miniature pool—approximately 28.5 mm (1 1⁄8 in).
But, I have a "MINI POOL TABLE", as the box reads, a 20.5 × 11.5 cm (about 8 × 4.5 in) table with 9.5 mm (3/8 in) balls. Though, the table and balls are probably not the same material than "normal" sets.
85.217.36.130 (
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I expect I will have to live with it – as the expression does seem to be in fairly wide use, especially on the Web – but I continue to find the term "cue sports" a very strange one (and one I would never have thought of looking for before stumbling across this page). It's not the word cue but the use of the term sports. For me, billiards, pool, snooker, and all the rest are games, not "sports". My view of the matter is doubtless influenced by the fact that I am someone who loves playing games but hates sport... -- Picapica ( talk) 12:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I removed this portion:
" The first known mention of a form of the word "billiards" appears in Edmund Spenser's Mother Hubberd's Tale in 1591, where he speaks of "all thriftles games that may be found ... with dice, with cards, with balliards." [1] "
Because, the statement made is not true, likewise, the meaning of the sentence is not clear. As an example, billiard tables were being licensed in Holland (and in other countries) as early as the 1470s. Surely a form of the word "billiard" appeared in writing, and was used verbally prior to 1591. As a matter of fact, the wiki article itself currently contradicts the 1591 claim by mentioning the Duke of Norfolk and Queen Mary.
To be accurate, the sentence should have specified: the first known "mention in writing" (which it's not) Or the first known mention in a "book". (are you sure?) Or the first known mention "verbally".(highly unlikely)
Taken one step further, why would "bille" NOT be a form of the word: billiards?
DB Bond ( talk) 18:29, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
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There is a draft for an outline of cue sports at Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of cue sports if anyone is interested. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 09:54, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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The history section said "In 1588, the Duke of Norfolk, owned a 'billyard bord coered with a greene cloth... three billyard sticks and 11 balls of yvery'." There was no Duke of Norfolk in 1588, so I deleted the info, which is obviously mistaken. Leefeni de Karik ( talk) 01:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The billiard ball image labeled 57 mm as 2 1/4 inches when 2 1/4 inches is 57.15 mm. 2 inches is 50.8 mm whereas 51 mm is 2 1/127 inches which's 0.393700787401574803183734729827847331762% (or just over 0.39%) above 2 inches. Pool balls have a diameter tolerance no greater than +/- 0.005 inches which is 0.22222222222+% of its diameter yet the rules also state so. I knew correction had to be done on the image description, as one thing must equal and match another and such balls are measured in specific sizes and by rule of the games. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.58.216.93 ( talk) 12:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)