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Suggestion: Rewrite the offending parts.
Suggestion: Write a more thorough explanation. (What's English for "linnaleiri"?)
Suggestion: Remove the word "Swedish".
Suggestion: Delete the whole paragraph. Alternatively, if someone can provide a cite for the viewpoint presented therein, point out that the insurgents sought help from Sweden, included Swedish-speaking peasants among them, etc. Jouten 01:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The recent by 192.100.124.219 seems quite problematic to me. I'd be interested to know what sources state that the rebels viewed themselves as fighting against a foreign occupation. How do these sources explain the rebels' repeated requests that the rather Swedish Duke Charles intervene on their behalf against Parainen-born Klaus Fleming? I'd also like to hear about the basis for the claim that the historical community has largely dismissed both Renvall's and Ylikangas's interpretations. -- Jouten 12:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Also remember the definition of occupation is according to wikipedia
Occupation occurs when the control and authority over a territory belonging to a state passes to a hostile army.
So you better correct that first as there never was a state of Finland (In fact even the name "Finland" as a name is an anachronism if we are talking about pre 19th century events) before it being considered historically a part of Sweden. There may have been a number of persons high on national romantic fumes at some point claiming otherwise, but never any considerable part of "the historical community". This was a peasant's uprising against a king. Something that happened far more in other place around Europe, and still never considered as a rebellion to occupation. Gillis 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
The yeomen did not use cudgels and maces because they couldn't have afforded swords and spears. They used blunt weapons because they simply were the most efficient weapons against plate armour. Ostrobothnia was the wealthiest region of Finland, and Ostrobothnian yeomen could well afford any wapons they wished. The cudgels, flails and maces were primary weapons; the yeomen also had swords, guns and two cannon. 82.181.79.37 ( talk) 15:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
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Suggestion: Rewrite the offending parts.
Suggestion: Write a more thorough explanation. (What's English for "linnaleiri"?)
Suggestion: Remove the word "Swedish".
Suggestion: Delete the whole paragraph. Alternatively, if someone can provide a cite for the viewpoint presented therein, point out that the insurgents sought help from Sweden, included Swedish-speaking peasants among them, etc. Jouten 01:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The recent by 192.100.124.219 seems quite problematic to me. I'd be interested to know what sources state that the rebels viewed themselves as fighting against a foreign occupation. How do these sources explain the rebels' repeated requests that the rather Swedish Duke Charles intervene on their behalf against Parainen-born Klaus Fleming? I'd also like to hear about the basis for the claim that the historical community has largely dismissed both Renvall's and Ylikangas's interpretations. -- Jouten 12:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Also remember the definition of occupation is according to wikipedia
Occupation occurs when the control and authority over a territory belonging to a state passes to a hostile army.
So you better correct that first as there never was a state of Finland (In fact even the name "Finland" as a name is an anachronism if we are talking about pre 19th century events) before it being considered historically a part of Sweden. There may have been a number of persons high on national romantic fumes at some point claiming otherwise, but never any considerable part of "the historical community". This was a peasant's uprising against a king. Something that happened far more in other place around Europe, and still never considered as a rebellion to occupation. Gillis 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
The yeomen did not use cudgels and maces because they couldn't have afforded swords and spears. They used blunt weapons because they simply were the most efficient weapons against plate armour. Ostrobothnia was the wealthiest region of Finland, and Ostrobothnian yeomen could well afford any wapons they wished. The cudgels, flails and maces were primary weapons; the yeomen also had swords, guns and two cannon. 82.181.79.37 ( talk) 15:06, 18 September 2011 (UTC)