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In a recent edit - some things seem to have disappeared such as external links and see also section as well as most of the Billy Joe section. These things appear in the history section but not on the page. I have NO clue what gives. i will attempt to restore this stuff after wikipedia gets over its headache and ehaves normally! I didn't do this on purpose folks Lisapollison 04:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following addition from the article:
It was removed because it had no bearing on the Crybaby bridge folklore. Also, it is pure speculation and original research unless a source can be cited. If this material is to be included anywhere, it would be within the body of the article on the song Ode to Billie Joe and not here. Also, to be included, a citeable source is needed. The supposition that it was a baby thrown off the bridge is properly cited in the article on the song so I added a note to see that article for a full discussion of that implication. LiPollis 12:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The supposed other location in Maryland on Beaver Dam Road is actually located in the Agriculture Research Farms in beltsville. Although, I've heard that the location in Bowie is along Govenor's Bridge Road close to Rt. 50. Anonymous
An anonymous editor has recently made some huge changes to this article that appear to constiute original reserach. The section on the hoax, while compelling, is not referenced and reeads like one person's conjucture. I would like to get some feedback before deleting or editing it. I would also like to put back some of the material that appears to have been deleted i n the overhaul by that editor. Interested editors, please feel free to express your opinions about the article in its current state. LiPollis 20:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but this material is indeed referenced using primary sources (and cheack external links as well), which is totally acceptable in folkloric scholarship. The material is not conjecture but as close to fact as anyone--this side of the hoaxer--can come, and sufficient evidence is clearly set forth to call into doubt the Carroll County Crybaby Bridge. The argument that the material advances a "position" can be applied to the bulk of the Crybaby Bridge article, which could easily be read as presenting "Crybaby Bridges" as paranormal. This paranormal "position" is enhanced by the inclusion of the "paranormal project tag" (see above!!!!) on the site, which clearly violates the same Wiki rule you cite by presenting an obviousa "position" in relation to the article. Please notice this contradiction before you begin to edit or delete the new material! In summation, this added material is 1) clearly referenced and 2) a needed alternative and an addition to the objectivity of the article, which seems, without it, to be skewed toward the promotion of a belief in the paranormal. Thanks for reading. Dr. Jesse Glass, Maryland historian, and folklorist.
I'm happy to disabuse you of the notion of my not understanding your position. I wrote those books and did that research--please read the posting closely--and am a recognized authority on the folklore of that area of Maryland. If you read the original posting I am offering a very specific set of deductions about a specific appearance of one Crybaby Bridge in Carroll County, Maryland and do not pretend to offer anything else other than the possibility that the other Crybaby Bridges that appeared at the same time may also be the work of an Internet hoaxer working through Shadowlands. Thanks to everyone taking the time to care about this topic enough to chew it over with this corresponent. Internet Hoaxing and the ease of creating "Fakelore" in the electronic age is indeed the subject of a presentation I am at the moment polishing. More specific documentation is in the works and will be available to you. Thanks and every best wish to Lisa and the others, Dr. Jesse Glass.
I just reorganized the unreferenced template. This article's information is cited through external links, which (for the most part) are going on a state-by-state basis. It would be great to cite in a better manner, but I didn't know what other way these could be presented. If anyone does, go for it. 130.101.100.106 ( talk) 14:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I can recall hearing stories about Crybaby Bridge as prototypical ghost story as a child in Maryland in the 1980's, well before the internet age, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.167.61 ( talk) 05:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Despite an extensive Google search I can't find any evidence that a place called "Helltown, Ohio" or "Boston Mills, Ohio" exists or has ever existed; further, I can't even find any evidence that a real and persistent urban legend about the existence of such a place exists. The multiple references to it across the internet are all on unverified, open content sites - it appears to be an extensive campaign by one individual (with rather poor writing skills) to retroactively create this legend, possibly for the purposes of a work of fiction or Alternate Reality Game. Unless anyone can provide a reliable citation for this "Crybaby Bridge" of Helltown I recommend the reference be deleted. DustFormsWords ( talk) 05:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
There is supposed to be a Crybaby Hollow outside of Decatur, Alabama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.209.144.16 ( talk) 23:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to be geared towards those that believe in these liebaby--er, crybaby bridges, particularily the Oklahoma section. How do you recommend that the article be changed to have a more neutral point of view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venku Tur'Mukan ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
There's a pattern to all of the locations listed... they're all in the US. Is that because the urban legend itself is of US origin, or is the article biased to that one country? 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 00:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm from Anderson, Indiana, and I've been to that bridge, its not in Anderson, its in Markleville, a town next to Anderson. So I corrected that part. -- ECayce187 ( talk) 15:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I reworded to
after finding, roughly, the vaguer yet even less plausible version
(Look up the exact bizarre wording in the edit history, if you think i was lax in being more concerned with the exact new wording than abt the old, and might have inadvertantly made the removed wording sound even more outrageous than you think it really was -- if you think i was, don't expect to make your best possible case for you. I'm editing with an iPad 2, and jumping back and forth to make multiple pastes here would be even more stressful than this one-finger typing on the touch-scream. [That's intentional
sarcasm, to lessen my stress in this talk-edit; don't hope for me to apologize.])< br>--
Jerzy•
t 03:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.246.18.45 ( talk • contribs) 14:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
About two miles south of the oil refinery in Coffeyville, KS. Only good after dark of course. Scream at your own risk!? 2600:100A:A011:891C:8D43:8610:8A11:EDE1 ( talk) 05:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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In a recent edit - some things seem to have disappeared such as external links and see also section as well as most of the Billy Joe section. These things appear in the history section but not on the page. I have NO clue what gives. i will attempt to restore this stuff after wikipedia gets over its headache and ehaves normally! I didn't do this on purpose folks Lisapollison 04:38, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
I removed the following addition from the article:
It was removed because it had no bearing on the Crybaby bridge folklore. Also, it is pure speculation and original research unless a source can be cited. If this material is to be included anywhere, it would be within the body of the article on the song Ode to Billie Joe and not here. Also, to be included, a citeable source is needed. The supposition that it was a baby thrown off the bridge is properly cited in the article on the song so I added a note to see that article for a full discussion of that implication. LiPollis 12:11, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The supposed other location in Maryland on Beaver Dam Road is actually located in the Agriculture Research Farms in beltsville. Although, I've heard that the location in Bowie is along Govenor's Bridge Road close to Rt. 50. Anonymous
An anonymous editor has recently made some huge changes to this article that appear to constiute original reserach. The section on the hoax, while compelling, is not referenced and reeads like one person's conjucture. I would like to get some feedback before deleting or editing it. I would also like to put back some of the material that appears to have been deleted i n the overhaul by that editor. Interested editors, please feel free to express your opinions about the article in its current state. LiPollis 20:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, but this material is indeed referenced using primary sources (and cheack external links as well), which is totally acceptable in folkloric scholarship. The material is not conjecture but as close to fact as anyone--this side of the hoaxer--can come, and sufficient evidence is clearly set forth to call into doubt the Carroll County Crybaby Bridge. The argument that the material advances a "position" can be applied to the bulk of the Crybaby Bridge article, which could easily be read as presenting "Crybaby Bridges" as paranormal. This paranormal "position" is enhanced by the inclusion of the "paranormal project tag" (see above!!!!) on the site, which clearly violates the same Wiki rule you cite by presenting an obviousa "position" in relation to the article. Please notice this contradiction before you begin to edit or delete the new material! In summation, this added material is 1) clearly referenced and 2) a needed alternative and an addition to the objectivity of the article, which seems, without it, to be skewed toward the promotion of a belief in the paranormal. Thanks for reading. Dr. Jesse Glass, Maryland historian, and folklorist.
I'm happy to disabuse you of the notion of my not understanding your position. I wrote those books and did that research--please read the posting closely--and am a recognized authority on the folklore of that area of Maryland. If you read the original posting I am offering a very specific set of deductions about a specific appearance of one Crybaby Bridge in Carroll County, Maryland and do not pretend to offer anything else other than the possibility that the other Crybaby Bridges that appeared at the same time may also be the work of an Internet hoaxer working through Shadowlands. Thanks to everyone taking the time to care about this topic enough to chew it over with this corresponent. Internet Hoaxing and the ease of creating "Fakelore" in the electronic age is indeed the subject of a presentation I am at the moment polishing. More specific documentation is in the works and will be available to you. Thanks and every best wish to Lisa and the others, Dr. Jesse Glass.
I just reorganized the unreferenced template. This article's information is cited through external links, which (for the most part) are going on a state-by-state basis. It would be great to cite in a better manner, but I didn't know what other way these could be presented. If anyone does, go for it. 130.101.100.106 ( talk) 14:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
I can recall hearing stories about Crybaby Bridge as prototypical ghost story as a child in Maryland in the 1980's, well before the internet age, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.230.167.61 ( talk) 05:26, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Despite an extensive Google search I can't find any evidence that a place called "Helltown, Ohio" or "Boston Mills, Ohio" exists or has ever existed; further, I can't even find any evidence that a real and persistent urban legend about the existence of such a place exists. The multiple references to it across the internet are all on unverified, open content sites - it appears to be an extensive campaign by one individual (with rather poor writing skills) to retroactively create this legend, possibly for the purposes of a work of fiction or Alternate Reality Game. Unless anyone can provide a reliable citation for this "Crybaby Bridge" of Helltown I recommend the reference be deleted. DustFormsWords ( talk) 05:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
There is supposed to be a Crybaby Hollow outside of Decatur, Alabama. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.209.144.16 ( talk) 23:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
This article seems to be geared towards those that believe in these liebaby--er, crybaby bridges, particularily the Oklahoma section. How do you recommend that the article be changed to have a more neutral point of view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venku Tur'Mukan ( talk • contribs) 03:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
There's a pattern to all of the locations listed... they're all in the US. Is that because the urban legend itself is of US origin, or is the article biased to that one country? 66.102.83.61 ( talk) 00:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm from Anderson, Indiana, and I've been to that bridge, its not in Anderson, its in Markleville, a town next to Anderson. So I corrected that part. -- ECayce187 ( talk) 15:51, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
I reworded to
after finding, roughly, the vaguer yet even less plausible version
(Look up the exact bizarre wording in the edit history, if you think i was lax in being more concerned with the exact new wording than abt the old, and might have inadvertantly made the removed wording sound even more outrageous than you think it really was -- if you think i was, don't expect to make your best possible case for you. I'm editing with an iPad 2, and jumping back and forth to make multiple pastes here would be even more stressful than this one-finger typing on the touch-scream. [That's intentional
sarcasm, to lessen my stress in this talk-edit; don't hope for me to apologize.])< br>--
Jerzy•
t 03:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.246.18.45 ( talk • contribs) 14:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
About two miles south of the oil refinery in Coffeyville, KS. Only good after dark of course. Scream at your own risk!? 2600:100A:A011:891C:8D43:8610:8A11:EDE1 ( talk) 05:50, 3 February 2024 (UTC)