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In the article, it lists two routes which were planned for this line. Underneath, it then reads "Of the three routes in south-west London the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea initially favoured the first, but now supports the second". To what is this refering to? Simply south 11:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added a route diagram to this article. For clarity, I left out some of the details mentioned in the diagram on Central Line such as motorway crossings. Also, the Woodford/South Woodford interchange is Difficult, and I don't know the precise mechanics of how that's going to work, so I've simplified it to marking those two stations as junctions (rather than doing all that funky stuff with the branching line symbols).
If someone could produce an actual map a la Image:Central Line.svg, that would be super awesome. — Scott • talk 03:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
There have been stories in some railway journals about a western route from Chelsea to Fulham, Barnes, Hounslow and Heathrow Airport or Southall. I cannot remember which journals or the exact route. If someone else knows, can it be added to the article? 139.133.7.37 ( talk) 17:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC) L. E. Greys
Based on reading up on things, i have made SIMPLE diagrams of what i forsee for services on the future Central Line and with the proprosed Chelsea-Hackney Line. Just ideas in my sandbox. Check it out please. Dkpintar ( talk) 13:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I can see someone has gone to quite a lot of effort in adding to this section but I would query whether any of it is more than speculation unworthy of an encyclopedia. There are only two references provided. One is to the excellent but now out-of-date alwaystouchout.com and I can't say it really supports what is written. The other is an out-of-date ELL map showing Clapham Junction as interchanging with Crossrail 2 - but this is not shown on later maps.
In all honesty I think the whole section should be removed but that seems a bit drastic. What do others think ?-- Pedantic of Purley ( talk) 14:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Having just read it, it does seem like wishful speculation. There seems to be no supporting material on the web, and I've not heard of it in published form either. Something just doesnt quite seem right.
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The first plans refered to were actually from Hammersmith. Saying 'South West' London in this instance may seem confusing, as its Hammersmith is far more west than it is south-west. I know its a pedantic point, but it undermines what the point of the introduction was. South West - North East is a relatively new concept, but the idea of West - North East has a far longer pedigree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OutrageousBenedict ( talk • contribs) 10:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The article has been made completely inconsistent in its use of "Line" or "line" due to recent changes made. The wikipedia convention is to follow the LUL convention and use "line" when following the name of a tube line. One can argue that this is grammatically wrong but it is probably more important to be consistent than correct. In any case it is what people as used to as this is what appears in official publications. I have attempted to be consistent throughout this article and with other wikipedia articles and change all references to "line" except where they should obviously remain e.g. referring to a source where "Line" was used.-- Pedantic of Purley ( talk) 04:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if that's some kind of British slang, but clarification in the article would be appreciated. Google "safeguarding rail" gets this article as the first hit, so it seems kind of unique. Gigs ( talk) 18:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
This was in a government document, source
The development of large scale infrastructure, such as roads or railways, takes a considerable length of
time. To protect the proposed alignment from conflicting development the Secretary of State can issue a direction under Articles 10(3) 14(1) and 27 of the Town and Country Planning (General Development Procedure) Order 1995. The Secretary of State issues the safeguarding to local planning authorities in the form of the direction, plans and explanatory notes. The direction requires the local planning authorities to consult TfL (through its agent CLRL) when determining planning applications for land within the limits shown on the plans attached to the direction.
Is it? Are there sources of such references or are these coinings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 ( talk) 10:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
There is an interesting article released today in 'RAIL' Magazine in which the Regional Route (described as Route 'B') is gaining increasing favour with TfL. Economic indicators would suggest that returns on this option are now signifcantly stronger than the earlier option. I am happy to provide a comprehensive quotation of the article on the Talk page here, as I am simply not brave enough to tackle it's introduction to the Article. Ds1994 ( talk) 14:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
This article has been due a working-over given the departure of the current plans from the 2008 safeguarded route. As a result, I moved it to "Crossrail 2" from its previous title of "Chelsea–Hackney line". An anonymous editor had added details of the current route options, but unfortunately made something of a mess by moving a large chunk of the article up to the top without rewriting it to reflect its new position. I did a bit of copy-editing to clean that up, but the "current plans" section still needs work. Particularly, it needs to integrate better with the "2010s" section; at present, a reader could be forgiven for thinking that the new route options are entirely the work of London First. — Scott • talk 17:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
TfL have published the results of a public consultation into Crossrail 2 which is available here: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/corporate/crossrail_2_Consultation_Report.pdf SheffGruff ( talk) 13:13, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I have added in a lot of detail from the [ [2]] https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/ to the route diagram template. I was a little put out that the corrections I have made based on the new consultation were reverted to wrong version because they contained "dross". If you want to remove the TPH data, please do it whilst maintaining the other corrections. BRIANTIST (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I know nothing about construction of rail or tube lines, so I was wondering what a rough guide would be to completion date? Twenty years from today?, 30 years?, 40 years?, half a century from today? I ask this because the article gives no inkling of how long it might take to complete this line once it gets started. Thank in advance to anybody who might know something about these type of projects. 88.105.111.93 ( talk) 11:57, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Might be good to look at Crossrail, which started in May 2009 and full services will start in December 2019, so ten years for construction, but the main determinant of when it will open is likely to be the time until construction starts. The first proposals for Crossrail were in 1948 so hopefully the preconstruction phase of Crossrail 2 will be slightly quicker than that! Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 12:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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See recent page history. The "Support Soho" group did not issue the statement about "deeply worrying", so I changed it to say that the chairman said it, which is more accurate. The fact that the chairman happens to be Stephen Fry rather than Fred Bloggs seemed to notable, so I included that. I was accused of "name dropping", which is rather unkind and untrue - if the chairman had been Fred Bloggs and not Fry, I would still have added it. Would "Sport and Politics" have deleted the change for the same reason? I suspect not! I rather think that it is "Sport and Politics" doesn't want the article suggest that Crossrail 2 has some celebrity opposition, maybe? Anyway, I have put the "chairman" bit back, leaving out Fry's name. 86.130.176.228 ( talk) 19:37, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Isn't Crossrail 2 currently just about as dead as Old Marley or at least a Norwegian Blue Parrot? Mon 2 Nov 2020 11.03 EST: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/02/crossrail-2-plans-shelved-transport-for-london-funding-deal Shouldn't the article somehow reflect that?
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"shelved"would be a wasted of many editors' time. Even changing the first sentence to "was a proposed..." would be fine if sources confirm it's no longer viable etc. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 11:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
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In the article, it lists two routes which were planned for this line. Underneath, it then reads "Of the three routes in south-west London the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea initially favoured the first, but now supports the second". To what is this refering to? Simply south 11:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I've added a route diagram to this article. For clarity, I left out some of the details mentioned in the diagram on Central Line such as motorway crossings. Also, the Woodford/South Woodford interchange is Difficult, and I don't know the precise mechanics of how that's going to work, so I've simplified it to marking those two stations as junctions (rather than doing all that funky stuff with the branching line symbols).
If someone could produce an actual map a la Image:Central Line.svg, that would be super awesome. — Scott • talk 03:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
There have been stories in some railway journals about a western route from Chelsea to Fulham, Barnes, Hounslow and Heathrow Airport or Southall. I cannot remember which journals or the exact route. If someone else knows, can it be added to the article? 139.133.7.37 ( talk) 17:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC) L. E. Greys
Based on reading up on things, i have made SIMPLE diagrams of what i forsee for services on the future Central Line and with the proprosed Chelsea-Hackney Line. Just ideas in my sandbox. Check it out please. Dkpintar ( talk) 13:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I can see someone has gone to quite a lot of effort in adding to this section but I would query whether any of it is more than speculation unworthy of an encyclopedia. There are only two references provided. One is to the excellent but now out-of-date alwaystouchout.com and I can't say it really supports what is written. The other is an out-of-date ELL map showing Clapham Junction as interchanging with Crossrail 2 - but this is not shown on later maps.
In all honesty I think the whole section should be removed but that seems a bit drastic. What do others think ?-- Pedantic of Purley ( talk) 14:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Having just read it, it does seem like wishful speculation. There seems to be no supporting material on the web, and I've not heard of it in published form either. Something just doesnt quite seem right.
OutrageousBenedict (
talk) 04:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
The first plans refered to were actually from Hammersmith. Saying 'South West' London in this instance may seem confusing, as its Hammersmith is far more west than it is south-west. I know its a pedantic point, but it undermines what the point of the introduction was. South West - North East is a relatively new concept, but the idea of West - North East has a far longer pedigree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OutrageousBenedict ( talk • contribs) 10:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
The article has been made completely inconsistent in its use of "Line" or "line" due to recent changes made. The wikipedia convention is to follow the LUL convention and use "line" when following the name of a tube line. One can argue that this is grammatically wrong but it is probably more important to be consistent than correct. In any case it is what people as used to as this is what appears in official publications. I have attempted to be consistent throughout this article and with other wikipedia articles and change all references to "line" except where they should obviously remain e.g. referring to a source where "Line" was used.-- Pedantic of Purley ( talk) 04:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if that's some kind of British slang, but clarification in the article would be appreciated. Google "safeguarding rail" gets this article as the first hit, so it seems kind of unique. Gigs ( talk) 18:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
This was in a government document, source
The development of large scale infrastructure, such as roads or railways, takes a considerable length of
time. To protect the proposed alignment from conflicting development the Secretary of State can issue a direction under Articles 10(3) 14(1) and 27 of the Town and Country Planning (General Development Procedure) Order 1995. The Secretary of State issues the safeguarding to local planning authorities in the form of the direction, plans and explanatory notes. The direction requires the local planning authorities to consult TfL (through its agent CLRL) when determining planning applications for land within the limits shown on the plans attached to the direction.
Is it? Are there sources of such references or are these coinings? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 ( talk) 10:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
There is an interesting article released today in 'RAIL' Magazine in which the Regional Route (described as Route 'B') is gaining increasing favour with TfL. Economic indicators would suggest that returns on this option are now signifcantly stronger than the earlier option. I am happy to provide a comprehensive quotation of the article on the Talk page here, as I am simply not brave enough to tackle it's introduction to the Article. Ds1994 ( talk) 14:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
This article has been due a working-over given the departure of the current plans from the 2008 safeguarded route. As a result, I moved it to "Crossrail 2" from its previous title of "Chelsea–Hackney line". An anonymous editor had added details of the current route options, but unfortunately made something of a mess by moving a large chunk of the article up to the top without rewriting it to reflect its new position. I did a bit of copy-editing to clean that up, but the "current plans" section still needs work. Particularly, it needs to integrate better with the "2010s" section; at present, a reader could be forgiven for thinking that the new route options are entirely the work of London First. — Scott • talk 17:40, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
TfL have published the results of a public consultation into Crossrail 2 which is available here: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/corporate/crossrail_2_Consultation_Report.pdf SheffGruff ( talk) 13:13, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
I have added in a lot of detail from the [ [2]] https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/ to the route diagram template. I was a little put out that the corrections I have made based on the new consultation were reverted to wrong version because they contained "dross". If you want to remove the TPH data, please do it whilst maintaining the other corrections. BRIANTIST (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
I know nothing about construction of rail or tube lines, so I was wondering what a rough guide would be to completion date? Twenty years from today?, 30 years?, 40 years?, half a century from today? I ask this because the article gives no inkling of how long it might take to complete this line once it gets started. Thank in advance to anybody who might know something about these type of projects. 88.105.111.93 ( talk) 11:57, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Might be good to look at Crossrail, which started in May 2009 and full services will start in December 2019, so ten years for construction, but the main determinant of when it will open is likely to be the time until construction starts. The first proposals for Crossrail were in 1948 so hopefully the preconstruction phase of Crossrail 2 will be slightly quicker than that! Absolutelypuremilk ( talk) 12:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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See recent page history. The "Support Soho" group did not issue the statement about "deeply worrying", so I changed it to say that the chairman said it, which is more accurate. The fact that the chairman happens to be Stephen Fry rather than Fred Bloggs seemed to notable, so I included that. I was accused of "name dropping", which is rather unkind and untrue - if the chairman had been Fred Bloggs and not Fry, I would still have added it. Would "Sport and Politics" have deleted the change for the same reason? I suspect not! I rather think that it is "Sport and Politics" doesn't want the article suggest that Crossrail 2 has some celebrity opposition, maybe? Anyway, I have put the "chairman" bit back, leaving out Fry's name. 86.130.176.228 ( talk) 19:37, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Isn't Crossrail 2 currently just about as dead as Old Marley or at least a Norwegian Blue Parrot? Mon 2 Nov 2020 11.03 EST: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/02/crossrail-2-plans-shelved-transport-for-london-funding-deal Shouldn't the article somehow reflect that?
Atlant ( talk) 15:49, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
"shelved"would be a wasted of many editors' time. Even changing the first sentence to "was a proposed..." would be fine if sources confirm it's no longer viable etc. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 11:03, 23 November 2022 (UTC)