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This section as currently written is very misleading, because it reinforces the erroneous speculation that there might be an evolutionary link between ducks and crocodiles due to superficial morphology. "Duck bill" is a common name applied to pretty much anything that has an anatomical feature resembling a duck's bill, and contributes nothing to an article which is supposed to fairly define a "crocoduck". The great irony is that there IS an evolutionary link between crocodiles and ducks, but it is to found in the taxonomic clade of Sauropsida. The Wikipedia page on Sauropsida even shows a duck and a turtle together, stating they are both Sauropsids. I suggest renaming this section "Common ancestry of crocodiles and ducks," and including a brief non technical summary of the connection with a link to the Wikipedia page on clades, then including all clades between ducks and crocodiles (including Anatosuchus and Pelagornithids (which are also Sauropsids), Romeriida, Diapsida, Sauria and Archosauromorpha)in the "See Also" section. Anyone coming to the crocoduck page needs to work their way up through clades to evolution. RichardCraft ( talk) 23:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
The section on fossils shows some crocodile-like animals with some features resembling those of ducks, but these are actually irrelevant to the concept being described. In fact, the scientific view is that there is no transitional form between a crocodile and a duck, as misunderstood by creationists, but rather there is some common ancestor with a long line of transitional forms descending to each current species. This should be made more clear in that section, or it should be deleted. 92.20.10.252 ( talk) 23:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
The Anatosuchus and the Pelagornithids are good examples of convergency and analogous traits but should not we include more examples like Velociraptor that trully demonstrate evolutionary progress from last common ancestor towards the contemporary lineages? Maybe a basal archosaur close to the common ancestor of birds and crocodylians?-- 94.68.216.184 ( talk) 07:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Agree with editorial comments in second paragraph of "In Creationism" section. Language cleaned up to address comments on this sentence, followed by editorial comments: "Their composite picture of the imaginary "crocoduck" showed the head of a crocodile on a duck's body to show exactly what they thought evolutionists believe, but can't back up through the fossil record." clarification needed [1] RichardCraft ( talk)
References
This reference doesn't seem to have any relevant information: videos that might have covered the segment have been withdrawn by YouTube – "Atheist Face-Off: National Television Asks, "Does God Exist?" - BSAlert.com 360 - The Fairest and Balancest, Most Trusted Name In News". I've therefore removed the reference. . . dave souza, talk 20:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
It looks decidedly b3tan to me. Is there any sort of confirmation on that? -- Kawachan ( talk) 20:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I think the Golden Crocoduck Awards, created by BBC Journalist Peter Hadfield AKA youtube users Potholer54 / Potholer54debunks also are worth mentioning. Any objections? -- Johannes Rohr ( talk) 09:06, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Thinking that we need a separate section for the meme. Objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.154.90 ( talk) 14:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
[University of Chicago paleontologist Paul] Sereno is part of a team of researchers that was finally able to reconstruct Spinosaurus in full using newly discovered fossils and information gathered from the dinosaur’s initial discoverer, a German paleontologist named Ernst Stromer. According to their reconstruction, published today in Science, Spinosaurus aegyptiacus was a gigantic fish-eating, water-paddling marvel; one that, in Sereno’s words, was “a chimera — half duck, half crocodile.”
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See the spate of edit warring around this. Discuss... Just plain Bill ( talk) 15:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
By my count, IP 32.97.110.61 is now at 6RR, with the goalposts set at "you will need to prove all branches of science have been debated by creationists to claim that we debate 'science'." diff I do not consider that the language of a WP article's lead merits that sort of casuistry. Just plain Bill ( talk) 17:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Since the only debate mentioned in the article has Cameron and Comfort discussing the existence of God, I have boldly (and drastically) pruned the distracting part of the intro to reflect the critter's status as a symbol of misunderstanding of how evolution works. Is OK? Just plain Bill ( talk) 16:29, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
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This section as currently written is very misleading, because it reinforces the erroneous speculation that there might be an evolutionary link between ducks and crocodiles due to superficial morphology. "Duck bill" is a common name applied to pretty much anything that has an anatomical feature resembling a duck's bill, and contributes nothing to an article which is supposed to fairly define a "crocoduck". The great irony is that there IS an evolutionary link between crocodiles and ducks, but it is to found in the taxonomic clade of Sauropsida. The Wikipedia page on Sauropsida even shows a duck and a turtle together, stating they are both Sauropsids. I suggest renaming this section "Common ancestry of crocodiles and ducks," and including a brief non technical summary of the connection with a link to the Wikipedia page on clades, then including all clades between ducks and crocodiles (including Anatosuchus and Pelagornithids (which are also Sauropsids), Romeriida, Diapsida, Sauria and Archosauromorpha)in the "See Also" section. Anyone coming to the crocoduck page needs to work their way up through clades to evolution. RichardCraft ( talk) 23:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
The section on fossils shows some crocodile-like animals with some features resembling those of ducks, but these are actually irrelevant to the concept being described. In fact, the scientific view is that there is no transitional form between a crocodile and a duck, as misunderstood by creationists, but rather there is some common ancestor with a long line of transitional forms descending to each current species. This should be made more clear in that section, or it should be deleted. 92.20.10.252 ( talk) 23:11, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
The Anatosuchus and the Pelagornithids are good examples of convergency and analogous traits but should not we include more examples like Velociraptor that trully demonstrate evolutionary progress from last common ancestor towards the contemporary lineages? Maybe a basal archosaur close to the common ancestor of birds and crocodylians?-- 94.68.216.184 ( talk) 07:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Agree with editorial comments in second paragraph of "In Creationism" section. Language cleaned up to address comments on this sentence, followed by editorial comments: "Their composite picture of the imaginary "crocoduck" showed the head of a crocodile on a duck's body to show exactly what they thought evolutionists believe, but can't back up through the fossil record." clarification needed [1] RichardCraft ( talk)
References
This reference doesn't seem to have any relevant information: videos that might have covered the segment have been withdrawn by YouTube – "Atheist Face-Off: National Television Asks, "Does God Exist?" - BSAlert.com 360 - The Fairest and Balancest, Most Trusted Name In News". I've therefore removed the reference. . . dave souza, talk 20:19, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
It looks decidedly b3tan to me. Is there any sort of confirmation on that? -- Kawachan ( talk) 20:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
I think the Golden Crocoduck Awards, created by BBC Journalist Peter Hadfield AKA youtube users Potholer54 / Potholer54debunks also are worth mentioning. Any objections? -- Johannes Rohr ( talk) 09:06, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Thinking that we need a separate section for the meme. Objections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.236.154.90 ( talk) 14:38, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
[University of Chicago paleontologist Paul] Sereno is part of a team of researchers that was finally able to reconstruct Spinosaurus in full using newly discovered fossils and information gathered from the dinosaur’s initial discoverer, a German paleontologist named Ernst Stromer. According to their reconstruction, published today in Science, Spinosaurus aegyptiacus was a gigantic fish-eating, water-paddling marvel; one that, in Sereno’s words, was “a chimera — half duck, half crocodile.”
Spinosaurus aegyptiacus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khalidesmagia ( talk • contribs) 17:36, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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See the spate of edit warring around this. Discuss... Just plain Bill ( talk) 15:09, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
By my count, IP 32.97.110.61 is now at 6RR, with the goalposts set at "you will need to prove all branches of science have been debated by creationists to claim that we debate 'science'." diff I do not consider that the language of a WP article's lead merits that sort of casuistry. Just plain Bill ( talk) 17:00, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Since the only debate mentioned in the article has Cameron and Comfort discussing the existence of God, I have boldly (and drastically) pruned the distracting part of the intro to reflect the critter's status as a symbol of misunderstanding of how evolution works. Is OK? Just plain Bill ( talk) 16:29, 11 December 2018 (UTC)