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I'm moving this here so that interested editors can modify it or discuss how to make a subsection for this article:
The result of the merge request was: consensus to merge. ( non-admin closure) PluniaZ ( talk) 05:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
A terrible new article, full of mistakes & mostly as POV as its title. Johnbod ( talk) 23:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The opening paragraph of this page is a horrendously worded inflammatory opinion piece that bears no resemblance to the actual content:
Subject to criticism by who? This sentence needs to cite sources.
Where the formation of these other groups based upon criticism of the Catholic Church's beliefs and practices or were they political disputes that used religion as a post or pre-text? This sentence needs to cite sources.
Criticized by who for what political decisions? The Church's promotion of the Crusades sentence conflicts with what this post actually states about the crusades, which was that the most of the crusades were actions taken by sovereign states, not by the Church itself. This section needs to cite sources.
Suggested New Opening Paragraph: Over the span of its existence, there have been a number of sustained criticisms against the Catholic Church. These criticisms have concerned its magisterial teachings and its activities outside of the sphere of dogmatic theology.
Wiki Comic Relief ( talk) 15:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Any specific reason why "during" in the opening paragraph is capitalized? Myownworst ( talk) 22:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
First of all there was an omission in the lede; the Church cannot ordain women to the sacerdotal priesthood, and it is this ordination that has been the focus of Ordinatio sacerdotalis etc. So the statement must be qualified in this way. Secondly, the church cannot oppose something she cannot do. The church considers it impossible to ordain women to the priesthood. Could a Newtonian physicist measure a sphere using the Pythagorean theorem? The church has no authority to ordain women to the priesthood and so canonically, it terms these as "attempts" to ordain a woman, because they cannot ontologically succeed. It would be incorrect point-of-view to say the church opposes it without qualification. Elizium23 ( talk) 22:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Catholic clergy have been implicated in the violent repression by the Ustaše regime in Croatia during the Second World War. [1]
The information is reliably sourced, and covers the Catholic Church's controversial involvement in the Croatia. No argument has been provided as to why it should be excluded, only a statement that it does not include "criticism", which seems unfounded given the church's involvement in the Croatian government has been the subject of heavy criticism. – Zfish118⋉ talk 18:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC) – Zfish118⋉ talk 18:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
The information is reliably sourced, and covers the Catholic Church's controversial involvement in the Croatia.Not disagreeing at all with this.
unfoundedto say that this sentence does not include any criticism because
the church's involvement in the Croatian government has been the subject of heavy criticism. Where is this heavy criticism? I'm not deny it exists, but no reference to this criticism existing appears in the line "Catholic clergy have been implicated in the violent repression by the Ustaše regime in Croatia during the Second World War".
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I'm moving this here so that interested editors can modify it or discuss how to make a subsection for this article:
The result of the merge request was: consensus to merge. ( non-admin closure) PluniaZ ( talk) 05:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
A terrible new article, full of mistakes & mostly as POV as its title. Johnbod ( talk) 23:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The opening paragraph of this page is a horrendously worded inflammatory opinion piece that bears no resemblance to the actual content:
Subject to criticism by who? This sentence needs to cite sources.
Where the formation of these other groups based upon criticism of the Catholic Church's beliefs and practices or were they political disputes that used religion as a post or pre-text? This sentence needs to cite sources.
Criticized by who for what political decisions? The Church's promotion of the Crusades sentence conflicts with what this post actually states about the crusades, which was that the most of the crusades were actions taken by sovereign states, not by the Church itself. This section needs to cite sources.
Suggested New Opening Paragraph: Over the span of its existence, there have been a number of sustained criticisms against the Catholic Church. These criticisms have concerned its magisterial teachings and its activities outside of the sphere of dogmatic theology.
Wiki Comic Relief ( talk) 15:16, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
Any specific reason why "during" in the opening paragraph is capitalized? Myownworst ( talk) 22:40, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
First of all there was an omission in the lede; the Church cannot ordain women to the sacerdotal priesthood, and it is this ordination that has been the focus of Ordinatio sacerdotalis etc. So the statement must be qualified in this way. Secondly, the church cannot oppose something she cannot do. The church considers it impossible to ordain women to the priesthood. Could a Newtonian physicist measure a sphere using the Pythagorean theorem? The church has no authority to ordain women to the priesthood and so canonically, it terms these as "attempts" to ordain a woman, because they cannot ontologically succeed. It would be incorrect point-of-view to say the church opposes it without qualification. Elizium23 ( talk) 22:06, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Catholic clergy have been implicated in the violent repression by the Ustaše regime in Croatia during the Second World War. [1]
The information is reliably sourced, and covers the Catholic Church's controversial involvement in the Croatia. No argument has been provided as to why it should be excluded, only a statement that it does not include "criticism", which seems unfounded given the church's involvement in the Croatian government has been the subject of heavy criticism. – Zfish118⋉ talk 18:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC) – Zfish118⋉ talk 18:13, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
The information is reliably sourced, and covers the Catholic Church's controversial involvement in the Croatia.Not disagreeing at all with this.
unfoundedto say that this sentence does not include any criticism because
the church's involvement in the Croatian government has been the subject of heavy criticism. Where is this heavy criticism? I'm not deny it exists, but no reference to this criticism existing appears in the line "Catholic clergy have been implicated in the violent repression by the Ustaše regime in Croatia during the Second World War".
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