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I erased the part about Deflategate because it looked like it was written by a New England Patriots' fan or a Tom Brady's fan and it didn't have any citations: /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Smithy5555
Here are some articles proving this section was biased:
http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402
http://deadspin.com/what-exactly-happened-with-the-steelers-headsets-1730005682
And this citations would describe my point very accurate:
http://deadspin.com/the-patriots-are-sketchy-and-deserve-scrutiny-1744511593
Leo Bonilla ( talk) 08:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
What about the Miguel Tejada controversy? They decieved him into having an interview where they confronted him about his age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.250.190 ( talk) 04:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone should add info on their alleged bias towards certain teams. For example there is much more coverage of teams from the northeast. —Preceding
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18:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
eddie g death. in the blurb or whatever its called. its said that he was criticized for saying that he died using steroids. but then at the end it DID say he died because of steroids. so wheres the problem? Ashburn247 ( talk) 03:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know that ESPN negatively covers SEC teams, it's almost impossible to do these days since the SEC is so dominant. Maybe this section should be amended or removed? -- Jessecurry ( talk) 15:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I just removed it. The link that was there (SEC TV & radio contracts) shows that ESPN now has a contract with the network, so it's redundant. They have an SEC game on every Saturday night now, so I don't see any bias. Beebs5000 ( talk) 04:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should include the fact that ESPN certainly has a conflict of interest (with both the Longhorn network, and their TV deals with the SEC). Even more glaring is the fact that ESPN owns the rights to 29 of the 35 College Football Bowl games. This gives them incredible leverage over the BCS and entire College Football Bowl Season. ESPN essentially has a monopoly on the broadcast of college football in this country, which has been pointed out repeatedly: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/963963-espn-owns-the-college-football-bowls-on-tv-a-look-at-who-is-calling-which-games
I would like to add this information to a section of this article. Thoughts? Scotsworth —Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC).
I think the lack of NHL coverage should be discussed. I am a big hockey fan, but looking for coverage of an NHL game on ESPN is like trying to find water on the sun. I was surprised this hasn't been talked about in this article already. The NHL is a huge league, with just as many teams as the NBA and MLB, but gets very little, if any coverage.
P.S. This is the first comment I have ever posted on Wiki, so if I didn't do it right or missed a step, I apologize, and welcome any advice on how to write better comments in the future. Supergoalie1617 ( talk) 20:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I was going to mention this — Preceding
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Honestly I think the lack of a section says it all: ESPN's coverage of hockey is so damn lacking it doesn't even warrant a section. And it's not as if there have not been articles about this.
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Brian Kinchen and Ron Franklin said nothing wrong and shouldn't even had to apologize.real humans weren't offended by what they said,only babies were.What a society —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.31.227 ( talk) 05:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I had to nominate this. Clearly the article is showing bias throughout the article, and needs to brought into a more wikified format. Chaz ( talk) 01:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I enjoy tennis and am appalled how the commentators cover it; especially Mary Carillo. I believe commentators should keep their personal biases off camera. American successful tennis players are few and the next set of up and coming ones do not appear to be of history making quality. The only Americans currently on tour winning anything are Serena and Venus Williams. They receive mostly negative evaluations from Mary Carillo, even when they win. Now Patrick McEnroe, who was no great tennis player, demeans Serena Williams in his book; blatantly missing in his analysis was his own brother's antics on court. These two aforementioned commentators having not had sucessful careers should not be assessing tennis through their obviously biased minds. Both need not work for ESPN nor NBC to win these companies back their credibility. Also, the message board pages are horrendous. The negative and biased statements are being monitored by less than quality individuals who wield their power to ban discussions they blatantly show an opposite opinion of. The views which are allowed to stay and fester prove that. ESPN is turning and tuning a lot of sports fans off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sershortie ( talk • contribs) 16:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
As a part of the NPOV debate, is this section even necessary? ABC Sports merging with ESPN doesn't seem like a bad thing to me, and the only evidence that there is criticism is that some dinosaurs of the industry are opposed to change. That'll happen no matter what the change is. This section should either be removed, expanded to better explain why there may be criticism with the integration, and/or balanced with comments on why this may be a good thing. -- Muboshgu ( talk) 12:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's what's wrong with the "ESPN on ABC" concept: The reasons why people around here care about ABC Sports once again using their own graphics, music, announcers, etc.:
If I were ESPN, I would break things down in so that every outlet has serves a very distinctive purpose. For example, ABC Sports would be the "Yellow Network" (meaning that it would mostly have a yellow color scheme), ESPN would be the "Red Network", ESPN2 would be the "Blue Network", ESPNNews would be the "Purple Network", ESPNU would be the "Orange Network", etc. Part of ESPN's problem right now (besides trying to blur the lines between serious journalism and tabloids/show business) is that they have too much of a homoginized look.
The main problem isn't the idea of ABC and ESPN working together on sports coverage per se. It's what I would consider to be the sheer arrogance of those in charge at the moment, to make you want to believe that "ESPN has gotten so big that they're airing games on a major TV network now!" When you're presenting a sporting event on a broadcast network like ABC, NBC, CBS or FOX, you need to think beyond the concentrated demographic of diehard sports fans (which is a given in terms of attraction to what's still a niche cable channel like ESPN anyway). This to me, is further proof that the "ESPN on ABC" brand doesn't carry a whole lot of logic.
The whole "ESPN on ABC"/ABC Sports scenerio is in a way, like the New Coke saga. The people in charge felt that the formula needed to be updated in order to I suppose, more "in the now" or hip. But instead, it came across as a watered down version of what worked in the past. Diehard fans I feel, don't want the idea that ESPN is surperior than whatever worked before shoved in their faces. To me, the people in charge right now are discrediting and discounting those who came before them. I for one, don't like the fact that Disney is seemingly pretending that sports on ABC pre say, 1996 (when they bought the network) or 2006 (when the branding change was officially made) doesn't matter to them. I still think if smarter and less self-serving people were in charge, that the ABC Sports identity could be revived (I'm that optimistic) sometime down the line.
ABC also seriously needs to treat their current sports telecasts more like a "must see event" (much in the same way that NBC and CBS had before them) rather than purely time-filler bought and paid for by the Four Letter Network. Also, casual viewers, who see things on face value, might be a bit confused over the sports that Disney currently pays rights fees over. In other words, if ESPN airs Major League Baseball, then why can't ABC air baseball too for instance? Why does ESPN have 3/4s of the BCS while ABC has the rights to the Rose Bowl? Not to mention that when highlights of said ESPN on ABC games are rebroadcast, the black ABC watermark, that's on the bottom right side of the screen isn't there. Thus, people who hadn't seen the game live are likely to instantly assume that the game was first broadcast on ESPN, not ABC (thus, it's kind of counterproductive).
TMC1982 ( talk) 04:12 p.m., 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Nothing about Jemele Hill? She has faced controversy more than a few times, either for playing the race card in her columns, or comparing cheering for the Boston Celtics to cheering for Adolf Hitler. Zipster ( talk) 21:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
This is ridiculous! I counted 10-15 sections that flat out do not belong. "While some have been critical of Gray for being abrasive in interviews, others have also criticized him for giving soft interviews." That's blogger criticism, not a "controversy". Just cause MLK was called "Martin Luther Coon King Jr." doesn't mean we enshrine the slip-of-the-tongue here. I'm going to go through and remove the sections that don't belong. If necessary, they can be re-added to the person's article. This one's just way too long. Nolelover It's football season! 17:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Just because you personally think that "they don't belong" doesn't mean that they still aren't remotely controversial (and what exactly should the criteria be for you) or ergregous. You don't think that somebody saying "Martin Luther Coon..." isn't technically or by default, controversial even though said announcer made a slip-of-the-tounge (it was still a fairly big deal)! The fact of the matter is, whether it's truthful or not, ESPN's personalities dating back to at least, the early 1990s, have been involved in some sort of scandal (such as sexual harrassment or other typical "frat boy" antics) or faced harsh criticism for whatever the reasons from the media (bloggers count). BornonJune8 ( talk) 02:58 p.m., 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to run this up the flagpole and see if anyone saluted. Does it seem like ESPN reporters present their own personal opinions as undisputable facts? Here's what I mean. After the Dallas Mavericks won the 2010-2011 NBA Championship, I heard some guy (On Baseball Tonight, of all shows) claim, "No one outside of Miami wanted the Heat to win." Earlier, when the NBA playoffs started, a man was talking about the Heat on a show and his female co-anchor practically snapped, "The only thing anyone will remember about this season is that the Cavaliers won a game against the Heat!" Isn't that like saying the only thing people would remember about the 1975 Major League Baseball season is that New York Yankees won a game against the Boston Red Sox? This same reporter earlier said she wanted to spike a player's drinking water with laxatives. How could any of these three incidents possibly be considered professional, unbiased, accurate reporting? There are already a couple incidents mentioned in the article (like that guy claiming everyone would remember where they were when Danica Patrick took the lead that time, and Rush Limbaugh claiming people only talked about Donovan McNabb's achievements because he was black), but I know that this can't be put into the article unless enough outside sources bring up this issue. Evernut ( talk) 16:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
This article has pretty severe WP:NPOV problems. Dozens of uncited and nebulous claims and statements without context throughout the article. I've gone through half of it and tagged several statements that needed sources, and removed some pretty blatant non-neutral examples. The article needs to be thoroughly examined. Falcon8765 (TALK) 23:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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This article, despite its problems being raised for years now, is still grossly filled with NPOV and BLP violations. As far as I can tell, the article is just a dumping ground for every negative op-ed about an ESPN employee ever published. If anyone even remotely connected with ESPN has a single negative thing said (or even suspected) about them, it seems they're fair game for their own section in this article. See Dick Vitale's section. A single reference to one retired coach accusing Vitale of Duke bias, and then the rest of the section is completely unsubstantiated weasels. Wow. How horrible of Mr. Vitale, ESPN should be ashamed. As far as I'm concerned, the entire article needs to be re-written from scratch, and without the blatant rap sheet format. Lizard ( talk) 05:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
No mention of ESPN's NHL coverage?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vilgotaan ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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I erased the part about Deflategate because it looked like it was written by a New England Patriots' fan or a Tom Brady's fan and it didn't have any citations: /info/en/?search=Special:Contributions/Smithy5555
Here are some articles proving this section was biased:
http://deadspin.com/bombshell-espn-report-the-patriots-were-huge-cheaters-1729286402
http://deadspin.com/what-exactly-happened-with-the-steelers-headsets-1730005682
And this citations would describe my point very accurate:
http://deadspin.com/the-patriots-are-sketchy-and-deserve-scrutiny-1744511593
Leo Bonilla ( talk) 08:06, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
What about the Miguel Tejada controversy? They decieved him into having an interview where they confronted him about his age. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.250.190 ( talk) 04:50, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Someone should add info on their alleged bias towards certain teams. For example there is much more coverage of teams from the northeast. —Preceding
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192.133.12.101 (
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18:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
eddie g death. in the blurb or whatever its called. its said that he was criticized for saying that he died using steroids. but then at the end it DID say he died because of steroids. so wheres the problem? Ashburn247 ( talk) 03:31, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't know that ESPN negatively covers SEC teams, it's almost impossible to do these days since the SEC is so dominant. Maybe this section should be amended or removed? -- Jessecurry ( talk) 15:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I just removed it. The link that was there (SEC TV & radio contracts) shows that ESPN now has a contract with the network, so it's redundant. They have an SEC game on every Saturday night now, so I don't see any bias. Beebs5000 ( talk) 04:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I think we should include the fact that ESPN certainly has a conflict of interest (with both the Longhorn network, and their TV deals with the SEC). Even more glaring is the fact that ESPN owns the rights to 29 of the 35 College Football Bowl games. This gives them incredible leverage over the BCS and entire College Football Bowl Season. ESPN essentially has a monopoly on the broadcast of college football in this country, which has been pointed out repeatedly: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/963963-espn-owns-the-college-football-bowls-on-tv-a-look-at-who-is-calling-which-games
I would like to add this information to a section of this article. Thoughts? Scotsworth —Preceding undated comment added 16:40, 19 January 2012 (UTC).
I think the lack of NHL coverage should be discussed. I am a big hockey fan, but looking for coverage of an NHL game on ESPN is like trying to find water on the sun. I was surprised this hasn't been talked about in this article already. The NHL is a huge league, with just as many teams as the NBA and MLB, but gets very little, if any coverage.
P.S. This is the first comment I have ever posted on Wiki, so if I didn't do it right or missed a step, I apologize, and welcome any advice on how to write better comments in the future. Supergoalie1617 ( talk) 20:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I was going to mention this — Preceding
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Honestly I think the lack of a section says it all: ESPN's coverage of hockey is so damn lacking it doesn't even warrant a section. And it's not as if there have not been articles about this.
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Brian Kinchen and Ron Franklin said nothing wrong and shouldn't even had to apologize.real humans weren't offended by what they said,only babies were.What a society —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.90.31.227 ( talk) 05:25, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I had to nominate this. Clearly the article is showing bias throughout the article, and needs to brought into a more wikified format. Chaz ( talk) 01:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
I enjoy tennis and am appalled how the commentators cover it; especially Mary Carillo. I believe commentators should keep their personal biases off camera. American successful tennis players are few and the next set of up and coming ones do not appear to be of history making quality. The only Americans currently on tour winning anything are Serena and Venus Williams. They receive mostly negative evaluations from Mary Carillo, even when they win. Now Patrick McEnroe, who was no great tennis player, demeans Serena Williams in his book; blatantly missing in his analysis was his own brother's antics on court. These two aforementioned commentators having not had sucessful careers should not be assessing tennis through their obviously biased minds. Both need not work for ESPN nor NBC to win these companies back their credibility. Also, the message board pages are horrendous. The negative and biased statements are being monitored by less than quality individuals who wield their power to ban discussions they blatantly show an opposite opinion of. The views which are allowed to stay and fester prove that. ESPN is turning and tuning a lot of sports fans off. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sershortie ( talk • contribs) 16:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
As a part of the NPOV debate, is this section even necessary? ABC Sports merging with ESPN doesn't seem like a bad thing to me, and the only evidence that there is criticism is that some dinosaurs of the industry are opposed to change. That'll happen no matter what the change is. This section should either be removed, expanded to better explain why there may be criticism with the integration, and/or balanced with comments on why this may be a good thing. -- Muboshgu ( talk) 12:04, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Here's what's wrong with the "ESPN on ABC" concept: The reasons why people around here care about ABC Sports once again using their own graphics, music, announcers, etc.:
If I were ESPN, I would break things down in so that every outlet has serves a very distinctive purpose. For example, ABC Sports would be the "Yellow Network" (meaning that it would mostly have a yellow color scheme), ESPN would be the "Red Network", ESPN2 would be the "Blue Network", ESPNNews would be the "Purple Network", ESPNU would be the "Orange Network", etc. Part of ESPN's problem right now (besides trying to blur the lines between serious journalism and tabloids/show business) is that they have too much of a homoginized look.
The main problem isn't the idea of ABC and ESPN working together on sports coverage per se. It's what I would consider to be the sheer arrogance of those in charge at the moment, to make you want to believe that "ESPN has gotten so big that they're airing games on a major TV network now!" When you're presenting a sporting event on a broadcast network like ABC, NBC, CBS or FOX, you need to think beyond the concentrated demographic of diehard sports fans (which is a given in terms of attraction to what's still a niche cable channel like ESPN anyway). This to me, is further proof that the "ESPN on ABC" brand doesn't carry a whole lot of logic.
The whole "ESPN on ABC"/ABC Sports scenerio is in a way, like the New Coke saga. The people in charge felt that the formula needed to be updated in order to I suppose, more "in the now" or hip. But instead, it came across as a watered down version of what worked in the past. Diehard fans I feel, don't want the idea that ESPN is surperior than whatever worked before shoved in their faces. To me, the people in charge right now are discrediting and discounting those who came before them. I for one, don't like the fact that Disney is seemingly pretending that sports on ABC pre say, 1996 (when they bought the network) or 2006 (when the branding change was officially made) doesn't matter to them. I still think if smarter and less self-serving people were in charge, that the ABC Sports identity could be revived (I'm that optimistic) sometime down the line.
ABC also seriously needs to treat their current sports telecasts more like a "must see event" (much in the same way that NBC and CBS had before them) rather than purely time-filler bought and paid for by the Four Letter Network. Also, casual viewers, who see things on face value, might be a bit confused over the sports that Disney currently pays rights fees over. In other words, if ESPN airs Major League Baseball, then why can't ABC air baseball too for instance? Why does ESPN have 3/4s of the BCS while ABC has the rights to the Rose Bowl? Not to mention that when highlights of said ESPN on ABC games are rebroadcast, the black ABC watermark, that's on the bottom right side of the screen isn't there. Thus, people who hadn't seen the game live are likely to instantly assume that the game was first broadcast on ESPN, not ABC (thus, it's kind of counterproductive).
TMC1982 ( talk) 04:12 p.m., 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Nothing about Jemele Hill? She has faced controversy more than a few times, either for playing the race card in her columns, or comparing cheering for the Boston Celtics to cheering for Adolf Hitler. Zipster ( talk) 21:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
This is ridiculous! I counted 10-15 sections that flat out do not belong. "While some have been critical of Gray for being abrasive in interviews, others have also criticized him for giving soft interviews." That's blogger criticism, not a "controversy". Just cause MLK was called "Martin Luther Coon King Jr." doesn't mean we enshrine the slip-of-the-tongue here. I'm going to go through and remove the sections that don't belong. If necessary, they can be re-added to the person's article. This one's just way too long. Nolelover It's football season! 17:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Just because you personally think that "they don't belong" doesn't mean that they still aren't remotely controversial (and what exactly should the criteria be for you) or ergregous. You don't think that somebody saying "Martin Luther Coon..." isn't technically or by default, controversial even though said announcer made a slip-of-the-tounge (it was still a fairly big deal)! The fact of the matter is, whether it's truthful or not, ESPN's personalities dating back to at least, the early 1990s, have been involved in some sort of scandal (such as sexual harrassment or other typical "frat boy" antics) or faced harsh criticism for whatever the reasons from the media (bloggers count). BornonJune8 ( talk) 02:58 p.m., 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to run this up the flagpole and see if anyone saluted. Does it seem like ESPN reporters present their own personal opinions as undisputable facts? Here's what I mean. After the Dallas Mavericks won the 2010-2011 NBA Championship, I heard some guy (On Baseball Tonight, of all shows) claim, "No one outside of Miami wanted the Heat to win." Earlier, when the NBA playoffs started, a man was talking about the Heat on a show and his female co-anchor practically snapped, "The only thing anyone will remember about this season is that the Cavaliers won a game against the Heat!" Isn't that like saying the only thing people would remember about the 1975 Major League Baseball season is that New York Yankees won a game against the Boston Red Sox? This same reporter earlier said she wanted to spike a player's drinking water with laxatives. How could any of these three incidents possibly be considered professional, unbiased, accurate reporting? There are already a couple incidents mentioned in the article (like that guy claiming everyone would remember where they were when Danica Patrick took the lead that time, and Rush Limbaugh claiming people only talked about Donovan McNabb's achievements because he was black), but I know that this can't be put into the article unless enough outside sources bring up this issue. Evernut ( talk) 16:08, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
This article has pretty severe WP:NPOV problems. Dozens of uncited and nebulous claims and statements without context throughout the article. I've gone through half of it and tagged several statements that needed sources, and removed some pretty blatant non-neutral examples. The article needs to be thoroughly examined. Falcon8765 (TALK) 23:37, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
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This article, despite its problems being raised for years now, is still grossly filled with NPOV and BLP violations. As far as I can tell, the article is just a dumping ground for every negative op-ed about an ESPN employee ever published. If anyone even remotely connected with ESPN has a single negative thing said (or even suspected) about them, it seems they're fair game for their own section in this article. See Dick Vitale's section. A single reference to one retired coach accusing Vitale of Duke bias, and then the rest of the section is completely unsubstantiated weasels. Wow. How horrible of Mr. Vitale, ESPN should be ashamed. As far as I'm concerned, the entire article needs to be re-written from scratch, and without the blatant rap sheet format. Lizard ( talk) 05:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
No mention of ESPN's NHL coverage?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vilgotaan ( talk • contribs) 15:41, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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Someone from the same IP address keeps adding that site into the article. I personally don't believe that this site is notable enough to be included in the article. Anyone here has any thoughts on the matter? LouisVuittonDevil17 ( talk) 01:06, 1 May 2020 (UTC)