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Says it all... Kurt Weber 02:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
My reading of Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming suggests that the standard page for cricket should be the disambiguation page, and not the Cricket (sport), because there is not a consensus on the primary meaning of the word. Has there been a vote deciding this issue? Nereocystis 21:44, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
No, a vote really isn't needed. It would almost automatic for a disambiguation page. Nereocystis 21:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I see over 2150 links to Cricket and less than 100 links to Cricket (insect). I glanced through those 2150 links and found only 7 that obviously did not refer to the sport (and I corrected those links). It seems clear that the sport is the more often linked and I believe the sport should be left here, however, if we made Cricket the dab page, it would be a lot easier to spot the incorrect wikilinks. DoubleBlue ( Talk) 23:00, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I am English and I live in a county where first-class cricket is played. I have played and supported the game since I was a little boy, so obviously I think of a fabulous sport whenever I hear the word
cricket. Having said that, I am also well aware that there is a famous insect of the same name and there are many people in England, let alone the world, who think neek-neek-neek first when they hear the word. So, huge
cricket (sport) fan that I am, I have no objection to a disambiguation page. But, please bear in mind that cricket the sport is inevitably going to have a massive presence on the site, while the insect is going to have one sizeable article and a few pics, but not much else.
I do want to say something about American attitudes in particular. It is about time Americans realised that their country's culture, including the bizarre activity known as baseball, is not paramount on this planet. Cricket has millions of fans throughout the whole world and it is generally reckoned there are more cricket fans in India alone than there are people in America. When has baseball ever created the sort of international fervour that the present Ashes series has aroused? -- Jack 12:28, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
rfc comment. Many more inward links and much more content and much greater following of (definitely) editors and (almost certainly) readers make this clearly a primary topic disambig. Rd232 21:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
RFC comment. All things being equal I think it would be best to have the disambiguation page at cricket. I don't think there's a clear primary meaning; for what it's worth, my OED lists cricket (insect) as the first meaning of the word. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:20, 2005 August 9 (UTC)
I de-archived this, since it's very much a pertinent discussion. Cricket should direct to the disambiguation page. This article should be at Cricket (sport). Seems obvious to me. – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 17:07, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
It's pertinent because consensus has not been achieved, and it's still listed on WP:RFC. It isn't clear-cut at all, since there are many who disagree with you. If you took a poll of all people who speak English as a first language, nearly all non-U.S.-residents would think of the sport when you say "Cricket", and nearly all U.S.-residents would think of the insect. If I'm right about that (and I think I am), then this suggests the insect is more prominent. The question isn't "How many clicks does it take?". It's about Wikipedia standards. Should a sentence like "Frogs eat [[cricket]]s and [[grasshopper]]s" link to the sport or not? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that the question has not been decided yet. Perhaps a straw poll is in order? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 19:28, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Oh, here we go again. I'm staying out of this for the sake of my blood pressure, except to reiterate my earlier comment. If a "baseball" was an insect meriting a total of about 1,000 words on Wikipedia, would these Americans who are clamouring for "cricket" to be a disambig page rather than the sport also be arguing that "baseball" should be a disambig page rather than the sport with a link to the insect? Really? And then after you answer that, remember that cricket is much more popular worldwide than baseball - it is not an insignificant, quaint, ridiculous sport that nobody understands, plays, or cares about. - dmmaus 23:25, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I think a valid comparison would be to Star Wars. With comparable significance to different cultures, and a comparably less significant homonym, there is no discussion as to whether Star Wars should link to Star Wars (disambiguation) so as to give Strategic Defense Initiative a fair shake. Granted, Star Wars and SDI don't stretch as far back as cricket and crickets, but I think it's a valid comparison. If one thinks Cricket ought to point at Cricket (disambiguation), then oughtn't Star Wars point at Star Wars (disambiguation)? Cigarette 16:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
i strongly disagree with the arguments presented here for the sport being on the main article because
1) the insect has been around for millions (billions?) of years and is infinitely more significant than the sport, or ANY sport (yes, including baseball). i say this because if the insect were gone, ecosystems around the world could collapse whereas life would go on without the sport. remember that cricket is the name for an ANIMAL, a scientific term that describes a very important animal to the world. i believe that along should settle the argument. show me another Wikipedia or encyclopedic article where the natural animal is less significant than anything else named called the same thing. How many people have seen a cricket compared to how many people have seen a cricket match?
2) a longer, more in-depth article for the sport does not necessitate it being more significant than the insect because the insect page could very well be improved in a short while (physiology, anatomy, mating patterns, geographic distribution, growth cycle, popular culture, etc.) and i doubt the sports fans will change their minds
3) assuming that there really are a billion fans for cricket, the vast majority are from India. of those, only a small fraction of Indians would go on English wikipedia to look up Cricket. that said, I will claim China as a country that understands cricket to mean the insect. assuming both have populations approx equal in their command of english. with ~1 billion people each, we can cancel both countries out. also, I did not see anyone American (or Norwegian or Portuguese), state or imply that the reason they want cricket link to the insect or dab because they feel it is more significant to them. they were saying it would be more significant to the English-speaking population in general. Quote:
Statistics are like a broken lamp-post. Great for leaning on, useless for illumination. Replying to your actual point, I still don't get what you hope to gain from the move. What will be improved for the reader? There isn't a neutrality issue at stake here. This is a simple editorial decision. We just have to balance up costs and return. I can't see much return. Please illuminate. [[smoddy]] 21:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
in direct reply to smoddy, if you are going to discount statistics, then you are contradicting yourself with "There are over a billion fans of the sport in the world." in response to the gain to the reader, imagine the number of people who see or hear crickets everyday to the number of people who see or hear the cricket sport everyday. obviously the former is larger (rough estimate, i'd say there are AT LEAST tens of billions of crickets in the world, no exaggeration). i can imagine just as many if not more people who see a cricket (and say their friend tells them its called a cricket) and look it up than the number of people who look up the sport. assuming the numbers are equal, the scientific argument for the insect should weigh out. i understand than changing 2150 links is a pain but for the sake of the scientific value of Wikipedia as a factual encyclopedia, it should be done. if it makes a difference, I will volunteer to change 500 links (probably more). for these reasons, Cricket should link to the insect article and there should be a link at the top for the sport. if it makes a difference, i am a huge basketball fan and if there were any relevant scientific value to the word "basketball" i would vote to have it precede the sport.
-- Bubbachuck 15:23, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone looked up "cricket" in the OED or in Encyclopedia Britannica? I suspect that in a dictionary, the insect comes up first while in an Encyclopedia, the game does. BTW I came upon this article after a weekend trip to England where I saw strange people dressed in white doing strange things. I wanted to know more about it, so I went to wiki, and I AM SOOOOOO HAPPY that I didn't have to click that extra click through a disambiguation page. Really would have ruined my day otherwise. (Right. I of all people should talk...) Vincent 16:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Please note that the centre of the cricket oval is called a 'wicket' and that the wooden posts are called 'stumps', someone has been referring to the 'wicket' as a 'pitch' which is inaccurate and I have never seen this term used. Fairywings 10:54, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
It may be incorrect by the laws of cricket, but the point I was making is that almost no-one refers to the Wicket as a pitch, so popular usage means that either Wicket or both should be used. Fairywings 10:54, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
Having had to revert this twice in a short period I thought I might mention it here: the German for cricket is Cricket, and not Kricket as two bots have now erroneously had it. See (and note the spelling of) the Deutscher Cricket Bund website. Loganberry ( Talk) 23:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
"A bowler delivers the ball toward the batsmen, using what is known as a bowling action: his arm must not straighten at the elbow during the delivery. If he bends his arm in any manner, it is an illegal throw" From this excerpt, it would appear that the bowler's arm can be neither bent nor straight; as a non-cricketer, I am confused. Escheffel 23:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
This poll will be closed in 2 weeks,
September 2, after which the
consensus (or lack thereof) will be noted.
This poll has been cancelled. User:Quadell set this poll up, but it quickly became clear from several user comments that the poll could have been better constructed. Because of that, the aborted poll has been archived at Talk:Cricket/oldpoll and is no longer active. Instead, discussion is ongoing on how to best run such a poll.
Okay, I'll make some statements about a new poll that I hope are non-controversial. If you disagree with any of the statements, please say so.
Can we agree on these points? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 20:49, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what American culture has to do with anything - is the cricket (the insect) a cultural icon of some sort? Mind you, I suppose this had to happen - the United States cricket team has been split asunder and chucked out of the 2005 ICC Intercontinental Cup, riven by internecine disputes - we might as well have a US v The Rest debate here.
The abortive poll already showed strong views in support of this page remaining at the sport - and Quadell himself has said his preference for a disambiguation page is only a mild one. The abortive poll already showed that there was no realistic possibility of a consensus emerging to change to a disambiguation page. In the interests of WP harmony, may I suggest we leave things as they are? jguk 21:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Also, I propose that the following relevant statements are factually accurate:
Okay so far? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 21:12, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
As for #6, I think we can agree on what the page says - but some of you are questioning the page's accuracy. I've asked the author of the page for comment. – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 22:16, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
As for #7, it's a guideline, just as much as any other. It's been widely discussed ( Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation has five archives going back to 2002!). We generally follow guidelines on Wikipedia unless there's a good reason not to; that's why they're called guidelines. I think this issue is primarily a disambiguation issue, not a rename/move issue, but I would change the wording of #7 to say "We should follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:Rename and Wikipedia:Disambiguation if at all possible". This sound good? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 22:23, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
current month's hit only lists the top 100 items, so it is not as complete as Dcoetzee's list. I would also like to know more Dcoetzee's list. Express skepticism, but wait for final judgement. Special:Watchlist should not be included, since it is different for every user. I'm not sure that #4 and #5 are complete. Most English speakers anywhere will recognize cricket (insect). Slightly fewer perhaps, but a very large number will recognize cricket (sport). Nereocystis 23:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey everybody. Sorry if I caused trouble - the list should not be considered to be 100% accurate. It's simply based on the cur_counter field from the last database dump, and I don't quite understand myself how often this number is reset or what types of hits are counted (it's also a bit out of date). Moreover, hit counts alone don't establish which topic should be the primary topic - often one article is simply more popular either because it's higher in Google results, it's linked from popular external sites, or something like that (none of which seem to be the case in this case, oddly enough). In this case, my personal opinion is that they're equally notable (and so this page should be disambiguation). Deco 04:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I would like to work out one matter. I am still not sure why the move is being proposed. The only reasoning that I have seen is Wikipedia:Disambiguation suggests it, and why this is relevant. I am beginning to feel that, strictly applying guideline, the move may be appropriate. However, I am still opposed to making the move. I can see no benefit to the reader, and thus I feel that WP:IAR should apply. This statement is not intended to be awkward, I just want to work out why the move is being made. "Because policy says so" is just not enough for me. [[smoddy]] 11:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Anyone has any ideas as to where the acronym NFL leads to? =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:58, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
discussion of whether cricket should be moved to cricket (sport) so cricket (disambiguation) can move to cricket. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 03:18, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
The guideline is clear. There isn't consensus for one choice, therefore it should be disambiguation. Nereocystis 12:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Althought your argument about "what suits my point-of-view best" is often vaid, in this case it does not matter how one measures the number as either first or second language speakers as the Indian subcontinent is a stronghold of the game. Philip Baird Shearer 20:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
There is now a very similar debate to cricket disambiguation debate about "William of Orange" see Talk:William of Orange Philip Baird Shearer 00:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
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Says it all... Kurt Weber 02:40, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
My reading of Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Page_naming suggests that the standard page for cricket should be the disambiguation page, and not the Cricket (sport), because there is not a consensus on the primary meaning of the word. Has there been a vote deciding this issue? Nereocystis 21:44, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
No, a vote really isn't needed. It would almost automatic for a disambiguation page. Nereocystis 21:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
I see over 2150 links to Cricket and less than 100 links to Cricket (insect). I glanced through those 2150 links and found only 7 that obviously did not refer to the sport (and I corrected those links). It seems clear that the sport is the more often linked and I believe the sport should be left here, however, if we made Cricket the dab page, it would be a lot easier to spot the incorrect wikilinks. DoubleBlue ( Talk) 23:00, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
I am English and I live in a county where first-class cricket is played. I have played and supported the game since I was a little boy, so obviously I think of a fabulous sport whenever I hear the word
cricket. Having said that, I am also well aware that there is a famous insect of the same name and there are many people in England, let alone the world, who think neek-neek-neek first when they hear the word. So, huge
cricket (sport) fan that I am, I have no objection to a disambiguation page. But, please bear in mind that cricket the sport is inevitably going to have a massive presence on the site, while the insect is going to have one sizeable article and a few pics, but not much else.
I do want to say something about American attitudes in particular. It is about time Americans realised that their country's culture, including the bizarre activity known as baseball, is not paramount on this planet. Cricket has millions of fans throughout the whole world and it is generally reckoned there are more cricket fans in India alone than there are people in America. When has baseball ever created the sort of international fervour that the present Ashes series has aroused? -- Jack 12:28, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
rfc comment. Many more inward links and much more content and much greater following of (definitely) editors and (almost certainly) readers make this clearly a primary topic disambig. Rd232 21:01, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
RFC comment. All things being equal I think it would be best to have the disambiguation page at cricket. I don't think there's a clear primary meaning; for what it's worth, my OED lists cricket (insect) as the first meaning of the word. Christopher Parham (talk) 20:20, 2005 August 9 (UTC)
I de-archived this, since it's very much a pertinent discussion. Cricket should direct to the disambiguation page. This article should be at Cricket (sport). Seems obvious to me. – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 17:07, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
It's pertinent because consensus has not been achieved, and it's still listed on WP:RFC. It isn't clear-cut at all, since there are many who disagree with you. If you took a poll of all people who speak English as a first language, nearly all non-U.S.-residents would think of the sport when you say "Cricket", and nearly all U.S.-residents would think of the insect. If I'm right about that (and I think I am), then this suggests the insect is more prominent. The question isn't "How many clicks does it take?". It's about Wikipedia standards. Should a sentence like "Frogs eat [[cricket]]s and [[grasshopper]]s" link to the sport or not? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I am saying that the question has not been decided yet. Perhaps a straw poll is in order? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 19:28, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Oh, here we go again. I'm staying out of this for the sake of my blood pressure, except to reiterate my earlier comment. If a "baseball" was an insect meriting a total of about 1,000 words on Wikipedia, would these Americans who are clamouring for "cricket" to be a disambig page rather than the sport also be arguing that "baseball" should be a disambig page rather than the sport with a link to the insect? Really? And then after you answer that, remember that cricket is much more popular worldwide than baseball - it is not an insignificant, quaint, ridiculous sport that nobody understands, plays, or cares about. - dmmaus 23:25, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
I think a valid comparison would be to Star Wars. With comparable significance to different cultures, and a comparably less significant homonym, there is no discussion as to whether Star Wars should link to Star Wars (disambiguation) so as to give Strategic Defense Initiative a fair shake. Granted, Star Wars and SDI don't stretch as far back as cricket and crickets, but I think it's a valid comparison. If one thinks Cricket ought to point at Cricket (disambiguation), then oughtn't Star Wars point at Star Wars (disambiguation)? Cigarette 16:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
i strongly disagree with the arguments presented here for the sport being on the main article because
1) the insect has been around for millions (billions?) of years and is infinitely more significant than the sport, or ANY sport (yes, including baseball). i say this because if the insect were gone, ecosystems around the world could collapse whereas life would go on without the sport. remember that cricket is the name for an ANIMAL, a scientific term that describes a very important animal to the world. i believe that along should settle the argument. show me another Wikipedia or encyclopedic article where the natural animal is less significant than anything else named called the same thing. How many people have seen a cricket compared to how many people have seen a cricket match?
2) a longer, more in-depth article for the sport does not necessitate it being more significant than the insect because the insect page could very well be improved in a short while (physiology, anatomy, mating patterns, geographic distribution, growth cycle, popular culture, etc.) and i doubt the sports fans will change their minds
3) assuming that there really are a billion fans for cricket, the vast majority are from India. of those, only a small fraction of Indians would go on English wikipedia to look up Cricket. that said, I will claim China as a country that understands cricket to mean the insect. assuming both have populations approx equal in their command of english. with ~1 billion people each, we can cancel both countries out. also, I did not see anyone American (or Norwegian or Portuguese), state or imply that the reason they want cricket link to the insect or dab because they feel it is more significant to them. they were saying it would be more significant to the English-speaking population in general. Quote:
Statistics are like a broken lamp-post. Great for leaning on, useless for illumination. Replying to your actual point, I still don't get what you hope to gain from the move. What will be improved for the reader? There isn't a neutrality issue at stake here. This is a simple editorial decision. We just have to balance up costs and return. I can't see much return. Please illuminate. [[smoddy]] 21:40, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
in direct reply to smoddy, if you are going to discount statistics, then you are contradicting yourself with "There are over a billion fans of the sport in the world." in response to the gain to the reader, imagine the number of people who see or hear crickets everyday to the number of people who see or hear the cricket sport everyday. obviously the former is larger (rough estimate, i'd say there are AT LEAST tens of billions of crickets in the world, no exaggeration). i can imagine just as many if not more people who see a cricket (and say their friend tells them its called a cricket) and look it up than the number of people who look up the sport. assuming the numbers are equal, the scientific argument for the insect should weigh out. i understand than changing 2150 links is a pain but for the sake of the scientific value of Wikipedia as a factual encyclopedia, it should be done. if it makes a difference, I will volunteer to change 500 links (probably more). for these reasons, Cricket should link to the insect article and there should be a link at the top for the sport. if it makes a difference, i am a huge basketball fan and if there were any relevant scientific value to the word "basketball" i would vote to have it precede the sport.
-- Bubbachuck 15:23, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Has anyone looked up "cricket" in the OED or in Encyclopedia Britannica? I suspect that in a dictionary, the insect comes up first while in an Encyclopedia, the game does. BTW I came upon this article after a weekend trip to England where I saw strange people dressed in white doing strange things. I wanted to know more about it, so I went to wiki, and I AM SOOOOOO HAPPY that I didn't have to click that extra click through a disambiguation page. Really would have ruined my day otherwise. (Right. I of all people should talk...) Vincent 16:56, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Please note that the centre of the cricket oval is called a 'wicket' and that the wooden posts are called 'stumps', someone has been referring to the 'wicket' as a 'pitch' which is inaccurate and I have never seen this term used. Fairywings 10:54, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
It may be incorrect by the laws of cricket, but the point I was making is that almost no-one refers to the Wicket as a pitch, so popular usage means that either Wicket or both should be used. Fairywings 10:54, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
Having had to revert this twice in a short period I thought I might mention it here: the German for cricket is Cricket, and not Kricket as two bots have now erroneously had it. See (and note the spelling of) the Deutscher Cricket Bund website. Loganberry ( Talk) 23:22, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
"A bowler delivers the ball toward the batsmen, using what is known as a bowling action: his arm must not straighten at the elbow during the delivery. If he bends his arm in any manner, it is an illegal throw" From this excerpt, it would appear that the bowler's arm can be neither bent nor straight; as a non-cricketer, I am confused. Escheffel 23:45, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
This poll will be closed in 2 weeks,
September 2, after which the
consensus (or lack thereof) will be noted.
This poll has been cancelled. User:Quadell set this poll up, but it quickly became clear from several user comments that the poll could have been better constructed. Because of that, the aborted poll has been archived at Talk:Cricket/oldpoll and is no longer active. Instead, discussion is ongoing on how to best run such a poll.
Okay, I'll make some statements about a new poll that I hope are non-controversial. If you disagree with any of the statements, please say so.
Can we agree on these points? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 20:49, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure what American culture has to do with anything - is the cricket (the insect) a cultural icon of some sort? Mind you, I suppose this had to happen - the United States cricket team has been split asunder and chucked out of the 2005 ICC Intercontinental Cup, riven by internecine disputes - we might as well have a US v The Rest debate here.
The abortive poll already showed strong views in support of this page remaining at the sport - and Quadell himself has said his preference for a disambiguation page is only a mild one. The abortive poll already showed that there was no realistic possibility of a consensus emerging to change to a disambiguation page. In the interests of WP harmony, may I suggest we leave things as they are? jguk 21:03, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Also, I propose that the following relevant statements are factually accurate:
Okay so far? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 21:12, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
As for #6, I think we can agree on what the page says - but some of you are questioning the page's accuracy. I've asked the author of the page for comment. – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 22:16, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
As for #7, it's a guideline, just as much as any other. It's been widely discussed ( Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation has five archives going back to 2002!). We generally follow guidelines on Wikipedia unless there's a good reason not to; that's why they're called guidelines. I think this issue is primarily a disambiguation issue, not a rename/move issue, but I would change the wording of #7 to say "We should follow the guidelines at Wikipedia:Rename and Wikipedia:Disambiguation if at all possible". This sound good? – Quadell ( talk) ( sleuth) 22:23, August 19, 2005 (UTC)
current month's hit only lists the top 100 items, so it is not as complete as Dcoetzee's list. I would also like to know more Dcoetzee's list. Express skepticism, but wait for final judgement. Special:Watchlist should not be included, since it is different for every user. I'm not sure that #4 and #5 are complete. Most English speakers anywhere will recognize cricket (insect). Slightly fewer perhaps, but a very large number will recognize cricket (sport). Nereocystis 23:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Hey everybody. Sorry if I caused trouble - the list should not be considered to be 100% accurate. It's simply based on the cur_counter field from the last database dump, and I don't quite understand myself how often this number is reset or what types of hits are counted (it's also a bit out of date). Moreover, hit counts alone don't establish which topic should be the primary topic - often one article is simply more popular either because it's higher in Google results, it's linked from popular external sites, or something like that (none of which seem to be the case in this case, oddly enough). In this case, my personal opinion is that they're equally notable (and so this page should be disambiguation). Deco 04:15, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I would like to work out one matter. I am still not sure why the move is being proposed. The only reasoning that I have seen is Wikipedia:Disambiguation suggests it, and why this is relevant. I am beginning to feel that, strictly applying guideline, the move may be appropriate. However, I am still opposed to making the move. I can see no benefit to the reader, and thus I feel that WP:IAR should apply. This statement is not intended to be awkward, I just want to work out why the move is being made. "Because policy says so" is just not enough for me. [[smoddy]] 11:30, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Anyone has any ideas as to where the acronym NFL leads to? =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:58, August 21, 2005 (UTC)
discussion of whether cricket should be moved to cricket (sport) so cricket (disambiguation) can move to cricket. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:19, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. Dragons flight 03:18, August 24, 2005 (UTC)
The guideline is clear. There isn't consensus for one choice, therefore it should be disambiguation. Nereocystis 12:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
Althought your argument about "what suits my point-of-view best" is often vaid, in this case it does not matter how one measures the number as either first or second language speakers as the Indian subcontinent is a stronghold of the game. Philip Baird Shearer 20:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
There is now a very similar debate to cricket disambiguation debate about "William of Orange" see Talk:William of Orange Philip Baird Shearer 00:47, 23 August 2005 (UTC)