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Dr. Blofeld and Rosiestep, while I appreciate your hard work improving this article, I don't think that removing the notability tag was justified yet. Let's look at the sources available right now. 1/ A catalog entry, notoriously unreliable and only used to source the possible use of "Cretan Annals" as alternative title. 2/ Another catalog entry, used to source the fact that this is published in Heraklion. 3/ The journal's own homepage. 4/ Dr. Hionides in 1972 citing an article that he published in this journal in 1949. Why is this factoid even included? Who says this was an important article? 5/ Somebody cited an article on Atlantis. One citation... 6/ A travelers guide citing an article in the journal, again, just one citation. 7/ Again, just a citation of an article in the journal. Nowhere is there any discussion of this journal. In fact, not even the cited articles are discussed (they're just listed with others to support some statement made). Finally, there was a list of "other notable contributors" added, something otherwise never done in articles on academic journals, given that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. I'm perfectly willing to believe that this journal is notable, but I'd like to see some evidence for that and, unfortunately (given the time you spend on this), I don't think the references presented establish anything approaching notability. -- Randykitty ( talk) 21:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
It's utter BS Randykitty that this isn't a notable journal. It's widely documented. Exactly how many existing articles on journals do we have which don't have a massive amount of coverage actually discussing the publication itself but is referenced in countless reliable sources? I'd say a very sizable percentage. I suggest you do something more useful with your time. If you took it to AFD it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance. I'd argue that this is exactly the sort of article which makes wikipedia so valuable as a resource.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I would have thought you'd be the last person to throw WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS at me. I don't care about all that fictional cruft and I don't edit in that area. I care about encyclopedic content in the articles that I edit, and that includes this one. The article currently goes against all standards that we have for journal articles (list of "notable authors", list of people on the editorial board, without any evidence that those people ever actually did on the board; etc.) See WP:JWG. You claim to have seen "at least five sources which said either previously unpublished or manuscript", but I don't see any of that. I see two possibilities: we stubify this to the lead as it was before the editorial board members were added (mening that we only leave the reliable information and no OR/SYNTH stuff) or we take this to AfD and waste some more time. -- Randykitty ( talk) 18:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
LOL, I did a test and sure enough OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.. Have you not got anything better to do than to bully the people who try hard to improve wikipedia as a resource with your "expert" snotty superiority on journals? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and if the "guidelines" for how to write journal articles say to avoid stating notable authors who've contributed to it then I say WP:IGNORE ALL RULES applies.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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Dr. Blofeld and Rosiestep, while I appreciate your hard work improving this article, I don't think that removing the notability tag was justified yet. Let's look at the sources available right now. 1/ A catalog entry, notoriously unreliable and only used to source the possible use of "Cretan Annals" as alternative title. 2/ Another catalog entry, used to source the fact that this is published in Heraklion. 3/ The journal's own homepage. 4/ Dr. Hionides in 1972 citing an article that he published in this journal in 1949. Why is this factoid even included? Who says this was an important article? 5/ Somebody cited an article on Atlantis. One citation... 6/ A travelers guide citing an article in the journal, again, just one citation. 7/ Again, just a citation of an article in the journal. Nowhere is there any discussion of this journal. In fact, not even the cited articles are discussed (they're just listed with others to support some statement made). Finally, there was a list of "other notable contributors" added, something otherwise never done in articles on academic journals, given that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. I'm perfectly willing to believe that this journal is notable, but I'd like to see some evidence for that and, unfortunately (given the time you spend on this), I don't think the references presented establish anything approaching notability. -- Randykitty ( talk) 21:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
It's utter BS Randykitty that this isn't a notable journal. It's widely documented. Exactly how many existing articles on journals do we have which don't have a massive amount of coverage actually discussing the publication itself but is referenced in countless reliable sources? I'd say a very sizable percentage. I suggest you do something more useful with your time. If you took it to AFD it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance. I'd argue that this is exactly the sort of article which makes wikipedia so valuable as a resource.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I would have thought you'd be the last person to throw WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS at me. I don't care about all that fictional cruft and I don't edit in that area. I care about encyclopedic content in the articles that I edit, and that includes this one. The article currently goes against all standards that we have for journal articles (list of "notable authors", list of people on the editorial board, without any evidence that those people ever actually did on the board; etc.) See WP:JWG. You claim to have seen "at least five sources which said either previously unpublished or manuscript", but I don't see any of that. I see two possibilities: we stubify this to the lead as it was before the editorial board members were added (mening that we only leave the reliable information and no OR/SYNTH stuff) or we take this to AfD and waste some more time. -- Randykitty ( talk) 18:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
LOL, I did a test and sure enough OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.. Have you not got anything better to do than to bully the people who try hard to improve wikipedia as a resource with your "expert" snotty superiority on journals? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:17, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and if the "guidelines" for how to write journal articles say to avoid stating notable authors who've contributed to it then I say WP:IGNORE ALL RULES applies.♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:55, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
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