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DMT AO US 36530 John fort ( talk) 00:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
On the main page, someone erroneously states that Mount Ida (a.k.a. Idha, Ídhi, Idi and now Psiloritis) is the highest mountain in Greece.
Untrue. Mount Olympus is much taller (9570 feet/2919 meters, vs. 8057 feet/2456 meters for Mount Ida).
Ummm...under famous Cretans, the first "person" listed was (before I changed it): Zeus. Are we serious? Yeah, I know, according to the myth he was born in Crete, or was raised there. But let's be serious folks. Zeus is not a "person". He's a literary and mythological figure to most people and, to others -the very few people who have revived the old pagan religion- a god, not a person (not even both human and god like Jesus Christ. Just a god). I deleted him from the list. Skyduster ( talk) 07:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I suppose that the word "Cre-te" is derived from word "Grae-ces" or " Graiae". Perhaps, Graices are Curetes (peoples of Acarnania and Crete) were the same tribe. Note: the suffices "-tes" and "-ces" or "-cae" were usual in ancient Greece. -- IonnKorr 19:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
The external links of this article seem to be an eternal problem, as tourism link are countinuosly k. It may be a good idea to take a decision once and for all about whether we accept these kinds of links or not. In particular, if we decide they are not needed, they all should go, as one link encourages new ones. I know there are a number of people having this article in their watchlist, and I would like their opinions. - Liberatore( T) 12:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I vote to keep these links out. If people want them they can search Google. -- Joshuagross 17:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Because there are not so much good photographs in the internet, the link http://www.picturechoice.org/crete/index.html can be useful to get only a visible impression of the island. --[ozes] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.22.179.161 ( talk) 08:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Removed from the article by me, posted by an unregistered user:
I think it's good info (if it's true) but it was placed in the See Also section. Either a vandalism or a clueless editor. So, it should either be ignored or verified. -- Joshuagross 22:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I've added List of earthquakes in Greece as a general warning. 78.17.16.157 ( talk) 10:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
There is a revert war about whether the Ottoman name should be mentioned. I will not revert again today. I prefer that the issue be resolved on the Talk page. The arguments that have been given so far for not including the Ottoman name include (from the edit comments):
1. no minority population 2. no proximity to turkey 3. no such historic importance ? what does this mean 4. it comes from the greek name 5. why not include the Latin and Arabic names: it was Roman for 400 years and Arab for 150
All of these points are true but largely irrelevant. The question is: what is the criterion for including a name in a given language? I would think that being Ottoman from the 1669-1897 would be a major argument for including the Ottoman name -- that is both a long time, and recent -- but I have no problem with including the Latin and Arabic names. After all, we do we include the Venetian name. -- Macrakis 19:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
By the way the article "Cretan Turks" is a bunch of Turkish POV. There used to be in total 500,000 MULSIMS (which was not equal to 'Turk' until very recently) in the entire of Greece, and I can guarantee you that they were not concentrated in Crete as the article's figures imply. Miskin 19:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
If the name appears in Crete, surely every Greek place on wikipedia should have the Turkish name? I dont see why the etymology, the arabic and latin terms for crete, cant appear later in the article but why would they appear at the top of the article
If I prove to you that I'm right will you apologise for having said that? Miskin 20:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, then get ready. :) Miskin 20:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
(moved some stuff to Talk:Cretan Turks) — Khoikhoi 22:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
... while the Greek governmnet is trying to convert Crete into an Asian colony, a polluted chinese type tansit port. Why don´t you try to improve the article about the plans. You might save Crete
Local people are divided on the issue. Why not bring in for and against arguments based on available research and information. Wiki is currently the only website that goes beyond simple formulaic arguments; dirty and disastrous for tourism, versus economic gain and.... well, economic gain is a big one. There are other considerations that might unite opinion; for example, a cast iron protocol for checking pollution and statutory testing (already partially in effect) of water quality. the area of Messara cannot exist on the vagueries of fruit and vegetables (greenhouse grown) in a changing eco-conscious world. Tourism, important as it is, in this part of Crete will only ever be marginal, based on individual taste rather than the package tour hell that strangles the North Coast.
Messara is poor in opportunities. Allow money to come in but 'ring-fence'(a solid contract)a significant amount for socially beneficial works; housing, projects for immigrants and education for all. No influx of foreign trade without immediate and tangible results in better communities. That would unite many opposing views. –Louis
I added the demonym "Cretan" to the infobox, but it was reverted because demonym "isn't a field." Yet it's a field in other infoboxes. Why not here? I know the term "Cretan" appears elsewhere in the article, but I'm trained to check the infobox for demonyms whenever I wonder, "What are people from that place called?" 68.165.76.80 ( talk) 00:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is in desperate need of cleansing of its highly nationalistic tone. The arguments about Turk vs Muslim vs Ottoman is repulsive. As far as names, go check Istanbul article, it deals with it nicely. In fact, there is a whole article just about that. What did Ottomans do and build for all those centuries there? No mention. What about the other groups, Jews for example. Their fate desreves a mention I think.-- Murat ( talk) 00:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
A)I don't see the reason why Jews get so much attention in the article as they didn't have a big community there (as in Thessaloniki) especially with references like "greedy Venetians". Orthodox Christians were the vast majority there and we don't get to much details anyway. This is a summary.
B)I see a citation about Ottoman rule bringing Christianity to an end in the article. That's totally rubbish. In fact religious oppression was very strong during Venetian times and Ottoman empire was known for it's religious freedom. In any case Christianity survived as the history itself proves it.
C)Muslim Cretans weren't Turks. In fact Crete was one of the least settled regions by Ottomans (who themselves aren't quite accurate to be described as Turks only). It is known and a well recorded fact that for a variety of reasons the catholic and many of the orthodox community converted to Islam as a Muslim had more rights than a Christian to the Ottoman empire's theocracy.
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D)Famous cretans are people who have been recognized for their work in various fields and not people who have received TV exposure. There is a huge difference here. A model or a footballer can't be regarded to the same level with Kazantzakis. In fact the only sports person that can be noted is Machlas who won the golden boot. I can't see how Samaras or Daniiliodou or Glyniadakis or models can be fit here. Also we should refer to noted and important politicians. Kefalogiannis is just a MP never had a defining role in Greece's politics. -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 11:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
That's not an argument at all -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 09:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
We had a recent discussion for adding genetic findings in articles about small regions at Talk:Epirus (region). The article should not be an index of specialized topics about Crete. I really can't see how a reader searching for this article would expect to see or would be interested in this section (or even be able to understand it for that matter). For anyone interested in genetics we have Genetic history of Europe, and we could even have a Genetics of Greece or Greeks or Genetics of the Mediterranean if we had enough material. Crete is not specifically notable from this scientific research as far as i know. I'm repeating what i've said in my edit summaries, since genetics is not an established topic in this kind of articles, inside wikipedia or in other encyclopedias, the question should not be what we can find on genetics about Crete (using genetic research sources) but if some genetic results about Crete are being noted in sources of a more general interest. Say for intance we have the topic "Cancer research", Crete has a renowed med school which does research on cancer, we can find specialized sources proving that but neither the local university nor Crete are known for the cancer research that is conducted there, that would be a job for, say, a newspaper article, an encyclopedia or a publication not focused on cancer to show. Knowing very little about genetics, i'm not even getting into the issue of a possible POV fork here. -- Δρακόλακκος ( talk) 08:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
This was not only written in the first person, which we deprecate, and was unverifiable as there were no page numbers, it was purely promotional. It is from [2], " a non-profit organization founded by the four Prefectures of Crete to rescue, promote and disseminate the model of the Cretan diet and the certification of catering offering Cretan cuisine". I'm dubious about the parent article Cretan diet. It also breaks the licence of the web page from which it was copied. Even if that were fixed, it's inappropriate. Dougweller ( talk) 20:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the image of Nicholas Kalliakis. Though this person may be notable enough to have an entry in Wikipedia, surely he is not notable enough to justify more than a brief mention on page for Crete -- especially since though he was born there he spent most of his life elsewhere. Images take up a lot of screen real estate, and should only be included when there is clear justification for them. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 02:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I've replaced the image of Komos beach with one of the Lassithi Plateau. Sure, the beach image was a nice photo, but it seemed to me it could be anywhere in Greece. The Lassithi Plateau image seems much more characteristically Cretan. Also, the Lassithi image corresponds to the mention of Lassithi in the adjoining text, and it is more appropriate than a beach to the Geography section. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 02:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I've deleted one of the antique map images -- there's nothing wrong with having an antique Cretan map image on the page, but I don't think we need two of them -- and substituted an image of the famous Snake Goddess. Some might argue this image would be more appropriate in an article on ancient religion, but surely this image is the most famous single image associated with Crete in the general public worldwide consciousness, so it seems to me we can't not have it on the Crete page. Also, it fits in with the mention of Minoan Crete in the adjoining text. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 02:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Böri ( talk) 10:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
= Arabic name of Crete Böri ( talk) 11:11, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
KAPTARA/KFTIU or whatever = cappadokia and not crete
See this book:
https://books.google.gr/books?id=jaGOAAAAMAAJ&q=kaptara&dq=kaptara&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp5-i3rtXLAhWiYpoKHTL9C8YQ6AEIUzAI Read this book and many other books — Preceding
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Also this book:
https://books.google.gr/books?id=yT1XAAAAcAAJ&dq=caphtorim&hl=el&pg=PA284#v=onepage&q=caphtorim&f=false
So the citation in front No 2 is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.92.167.31 ( talk) 23:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Out of curiosity by what definition are we using "civilization" and "Europe" in the lead. I raise this question because we see extensive agriculture and community (civilization) in say Ireland long before 2700 bc and the use of metal during the same Bronze Age as we are giving to Crete. Pudge MclameO ( talk) 01:36, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Using terms like "liberate" or "liberation" about early medieval warfare sounds very unnecessary and inappropriate. I see no reason to use it since the idea of what empire a certain region belonged to was a matter mostly relevant to the empires, not the local population. It's an especially poor choice of wording in an era before centralized nation states, modern democracy and monopoly on violence.
Peter Isotalo 14:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
This section has either been vandalised or half edited or badly translated. Someone who knows the subject should look at it please. kritikos99 ( talk) 15:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I made a comparison to other Wiki pages related to regions of Greece. In each of them, I can see a respective flag in the blue box on the right side of the tube. Unfortunately, in Crete's page, there is none. Please, add! Thank you for reading. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.25.38.151 ( talk) 13:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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It is claimed that the first human settlement is from 130,000 years ago but the sources cited claim human or possibly prehuman/hominids. 94.65.149.245 ( talk) 05:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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It seems to be that everything after "...earliest recorded civilization in Europe" doesn't belong in the introduction. Perhaps the information "There are many villages up in the mountains of Crete, one of which is a beautiful little village called Pinochiano, otherwise known as Lasithi Plateau" could be moved to another section, such as tourism? Or perhaps it could be reworded to something like "Crete is notable as a tourist destination because of its mountain villages, including the Lasithi plateau"?
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I read the article, I made some changes to the text. Then I made a major effort trying to improve the layout by reorganizing, shuffling, resizing and removing images. I also noticed a few issues that I list below.
1. "Crete is mountainous, and its character is defined by a high mountain range crossing from west to east, formed by three different groups of mountains."
The list that follows has 5 instead of 3 groups of mountains which is inconsistent.
2. What the heck is "Human geography"? I changed it to "Geography" which makes more sense and sounds better. There is nothing human about geography.
3. The Diktaean Cave is not the only birthplace of Zeus. Crete has at least another place in the west of the island called Idaean Cave on Mount Ida (I visited both and I like Greek mythology so I'm not making it up).
4. The image [ [4]] is not truly at the Heraklion Archeological Museum. I have been on site and it looks quite different. Also, it should be labeled "Bull-leaping" and not just "Minoan fresco".
5. The article talks about Giacomo Foscarini and Marco Foscarini. Was there a connection between the two?
6. "on the eve of the Greek War of Independence, as much as 45% of the population of the island may have been Muslim."
What´s the year? Most readers certainly do not know. It should be added.
7. "Tahmiscizade Mehmed Macid: Memorialst".
What the heck does "Memorialst" mean? Explain.
8. "*Likewise, as stated above, Mustafa Naili Pasha was Albanian/Egyptian."
This note is unrelated, unnecessary and useless. It should be removed.
ICE77 ( talk) 06:24, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I took the liberty of doing a re-write and adding references, hope no one minds. Mickmct ( talk) 08:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
For all of you who argue about various names of Crete, go to the book of William Martin Leake (1814) Researches in Greece page 64-65 where William Martin Leake apologise for english speaking people, for calling Crete anything else than Crete, as he personally observed in the early 19th century, the people of Crete only refered to the islan with its anciant name, Κρήτη, therafore all other names mentioned in this article will be removed. W5ry3 ( talk) 21:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Based on the latest , I wanted to check on what the sources were for Crete's land area. I narrowed my search parameters to Greek government sources, but I ended up with conflicting information.
My first result was the Enterprise Greek brochure attempting to attract investment on Crete, which states 8335 square kilometers. This is one off from the originally stated land area in the article of 8336 square kilometers. A second source from Greece's GeoData website, lists 8312.9 square kilometers (the file is in Greek). The Greek wiki article has a different value of 8303 kilometers squared in the infobox and 8336 in the article text.
I would like to use the 8312.9 value from the GeoData set since it comes from the Greek (Hellenic Statistical Authority), but since this change looks like it might have to apply to numerous foreign language wikis I want to be sure. Inomyabcs ( talk) 21:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
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DMT AO US 36530 John fort ( talk) 00:18, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
On the main page, someone erroneously states that Mount Ida (a.k.a. Idha, Ídhi, Idi and now Psiloritis) is the highest mountain in Greece.
Untrue. Mount Olympus is much taller (9570 feet/2919 meters, vs. 8057 feet/2456 meters for Mount Ida).
Ummm...under famous Cretans, the first "person" listed was (before I changed it): Zeus. Are we serious? Yeah, I know, according to the myth he was born in Crete, or was raised there. But let's be serious folks. Zeus is not a "person". He's a literary and mythological figure to most people and, to others -the very few people who have revived the old pagan religion- a god, not a person (not even both human and god like Jesus Christ. Just a god). I deleted him from the list. Skyduster ( talk) 07:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
I suppose that the word "Cre-te" is derived from word "Grae-ces" or " Graiae". Perhaps, Graices are Curetes (peoples of Acarnania and Crete) were the same tribe. Note: the suffices "-tes" and "-ces" or "-cae" were usual in ancient Greece. -- IonnKorr 19:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
The external links of this article seem to be an eternal problem, as tourism link are countinuosly k. It may be a good idea to take a decision once and for all about whether we accept these kinds of links or not. In particular, if we decide they are not needed, they all should go, as one link encourages new ones. I know there are a number of people having this article in their watchlist, and I would like their opinions. - Liberatore( T) 12:31, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
I vote to keep these links out. If people want them they can search Google. -- Joshuagross 17:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Because there are not so much good photographs in the internet, the link http://www.picturechoice.org/crete/index.html can be useful to get only a visible impression of the island. --[ozes] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.22.179.161 ( talk) 08:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Removed from the article by me, posted by an unregistered user:
I think it's good info (if it's true) but it was placed in the See Also section. Either a vandalism or a clueless editor. So, it should either be ignored or verified. -- Joshuagross 22:38, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
I've added List of earthquakes in Greece as a general warning. 78.17.16.157 ( talk) 10:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
There is a revert war about whether the Ottoman name should be mentioned. I will not revert again today. I prefer that the issue be resolved on the Talk page. The arguments that have been given so far for not including the Ottoman name include (from the edit comments):
1. no minority population 2. no proximity to turkey 3. no such historic importance ? what does this mean 4. it comes from the greek name 5. why not include the Latin and Arabic names: it was Roman for 400 years and Arab for 150
All of these points are true but largely irrelevant. The question is: what is the criterion for including a name in a given language? I would think that being Ottoman from the 1669-1897 would be a major argument for including the Ottoman name -- that is both a long time, and recent -- but I have no problem with including the Latin and Arabic names. After all, we do we include the Venetian name. -- Macrakis 19:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
By the way the article "Cretan Turks" is a bunch of Turkish POV. There used to be in total 500,000 MULSIMS (which was not equal to 'Turk' until very recently) in the entire of Greece, and I can guarantee you that they were not concentrated in Crete as the article's figures imply. Miskin 19:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
If the name appears in Crete, surely every Greek place on wikipedia should have the Turkish name? I dont see why the etymology, the arabic and latin terms for crete, cant appear later in the article but why would they appear at the top of the article
If I prove to you that I'm right will you apologise for having said that? Miskin 20:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, then get ready. :) Miskin 20:19, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
(moved some stuff to Talk:Cretan Turks) — Khoikhoi 22:00, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
... while the Greek governmnet is trying to convert Crete into an Asian colony, a polluted chinese type tansit port. Why don´t you try to improve the article about the plans. You might save Crete
Local people are divided on the issue. Why not bring in for and against arguments based on available research and information. Wiki is currently the only website that goes beyond simple formulaic arguments; dirty and disastrous for tourism, versus economic gain and.... well, economic gain is a big one. There are other considerations that might unite opinion; for example, a cast iron protocol for checking pollution and statutory testing (already partially in effect) of water quality. the area of Messara cannot exist on the vagueries of fruit and vegetables (greenhouse grown) in a changing eco-conscious world. Tourism, important as it is, in this part of Crete will only ever be marginal, based on individual taste rather than the package tour hell that strangles the North Coast.
Messara is poor in opportunities. Allow money to come in but 'ring-fence'(a solid contract)a significant amount for socially beneficial works; housing, projects for immigrants and education for all. No influx of foreign trade without immediate and tangible results in better communities. That would unite many opposing views. –Louis
I added the demonym "Cretan" to the infobox, but it was reverted because demonym "isn't a field." Yet it's a field in other infoboxes. Why not here? I know the term "Cretan" appears elsewhere in the article, but I'm trained to check the infobox for demonyms whenever I wonder, "What are people from that place called?" 68.165.76.80 ( talk) 00:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
This article is in desperate need of cleansing of its highly nationalistic tone. The arguments about Turk vs Muslim vs Ottoman is repulsive. As far as names, go check Istanbul article, it deals with it nicely. In fact, there is a whole article just about that. What did Ottomans do and build for all those centuries there? No mention. What about the other groups, Jews for example. Their fate desreves a mention I think.-- Murat ( talk) 00:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
A)I don't see the reason why Jews get so much attention in the article as they didn't have a big community there (as in Thessaloniki) especially with references like "greedy Venetians". Orthodox Christians were the vast majority there and we don't get to much details anyway. This is a summary.
B)I see a citation about Ottoman rule bringing Christianity to an end in the article. That's totally rubbish. In fact religious oppression was very strong during Venetian times and Ottoman empire was known for it's religious freedom. In any case Christianity survived as the history itself proves it.
C)Muslim Cretans weren't Turks. In fact Crete was one of the least settled regions by Ottomans (who themselves aren't quite accurate to be described as Turks only). It is known and a well recorded fact that for a variety of reasons the catholic and many of the orthodox community converted to Islam as a Muslim had more rights than a Christian to the Ottoman empire's theocracy.
--
D)Famous cretans are people who have been recognized for their work in various fields and not people who have received TV exposure. There is a huge difference here. A model or a footballer can't be regarded to the same level with Kazantzakis. In fact the only sports person that can be noted is Machlas who won the golden boot. I can't see how Samaras or Daniiliodou or Glyniadakis or models can be fit here. Also we should refer to noted and important politicians. Kefalogiannis is just a MP never had a defining role in Greece's politics. -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 11:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
That's not an argument at all -- Ioannes Tzimiskes ( talk) 09:01, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
We had a recent discussion for adding genetic findings in articles about small regions at Talk:Epirus (region). The article should not be an index of specialized topics about Crete. I really can't see how a reader searching for this article would expect to see or would be interested in this section (or even be able to understand it for that matter). For anyone interested in genetics we have Genetic history of Europe, and we could even have a Genetics of Greece or Greeks or Genetics of the Mediterranean if we had enough material. Crete is not specifically notable from this scientific research as far as i know. I'm repeating what i've said in my edit summaries, since genetics is not an established topic in this kind of articles, inside wikipedia or in other encyclopedias, the question should not be what we can find on genetics about Crete (using genetic research sources) but if some genetic results about Crete are being noted in sources of a more general interest. Say for intance we have the topic "Cancer research", Crete has a renowed med school which does research on cancer, we can find specialized sources proving that but neither the local university nor Crete are known for the cancer research that is conducted there, that would be a job for, say, a newspaper article, an encyclopedia or a publication not focused on cancer to show. Knowing very little about genetics, i'm not even getting into the issue of a possible POV fork here. -- Δρακόλακκος ( talk) 08:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
This was not only written in the first person, which we deprecate, and was unverifiable as there were no page numbers, it was purely promotional. It is from [2], " a non-profit organization founded by the four Prefectures of Crete to rescue, promote and disseminate the model of the Cretan diet and the certification of catering offering Cretan cuisine". I'm dubious about the parent article Cretan diet. It also breaks the licence of the web page from which it was copied. Even if that were fixed, it's inappropriate. Dougweller ( talk) 20:42, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the image of Nicholas Kalliakis. Though this person may be notable enough to have an entry in Wikipedia, surely he is not notable enough to justify more than a brief mention on page for Crete -- especially since though he was born there he spent most of his life elsewhere. Images take up a lot of screen real estate, and should only be included when there is clear justification for them. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 02:15, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I've replaced the image of Komos beach with one of the Lassithi Plateau. Sure, the beach image was a nice photo, but it seemed to me it could be anywhere in Greece. The Lassithi Plateau image seems much more characteristically Cretan. Also, the Lassithi image corresponds to the mention of Lassithi in the adjoining text, and it is more appropriate than a beach to the Geography section. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 02:22, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
I've deleted one of the antique map images -- there's nothing wrong with having an antique Cretan map image on the page, but I don't think we need two of them -- and substituted an image of the famous Snake Goddess. Some might argue this image would be more appropriate in an article on ancient religion, but surely this image is the most famous single image associated with Crete in the general public worldwide consciousness, so it seems to me we can't not have it on the Crete page. Also, it fits in with the mention of Minoan Crete in the adjoining text. Strawberryjampot ( talk) 02:37, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Böri ( talk) 10:44, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
= Arabic name of Crete Böri ( talk) 11:11, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
KAPTARA/KFTIU or whatever = cappadokia and not crete
See this book:
https://books.google.gr/books?id=jaGOAAAAMAAJ&q=kaptara&dq=kaptara&hl=el&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjp5-i3rtXLAhWiYpoKHTL9C8YQ6AEIUzAI Read this book and many other books — Preceding
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Also this book:
https://books.google.gr/books?id=yT1XAAAAcAAJ&dq=caphtorim&hl=el&pg=PA284#v=onepage&q=caphtorim&f=false
So the citation in front No 2 is not correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.92.167.31 ( talk) 23:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)
Out of curiosity by what definition are we using "civilization" and "Europe" in the lead. I raise this question because we see extensive agriculture and community (civilization) in say Ireland long before 2700 bc and the use of metal during the same Bronze Age as we are giving to Crete. Pudge MclameO ( talk) 01:36, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Using terms like "liberate" or "liberation" about early medieval warfare sounds very unnecessary and inappropriate. I see no reason to use it since the idea of what empire a certain region belonged to was a matter mostly relevant to the empires, not the local population. It's an especially poor choice of wording in an era before centralized nation states, modern democracy and monopoly on violence.
Peter Isotalo 14:46, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
This section has either been vandalised or half edited or badly translated. Someone who knows the subject should look at it please. kritikos99 ( talk) 15:31, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
I made a comparison to other Wiki pages related to regions of Greece. In each of them, I can see a respective flag in the blue box on the right side of the tube. Unfortunately, in Crete's page, there is none. Please, add! Thank you for reading. :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.25.38.151 ( talk) 13:44, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
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It is claimed that the first human settlement is from 130,000 years ago but the sources cited claim human or possibly prehuman/hominids. 94.65.149.245 ( talk) 05:33, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
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It seems to be that everything after "...earliest recorded civilization in Europe" doesn't belong in the introduction. Perhaps the information "There are many villages up in the mountains of Crete, one of which is a beautiful little village called Pinochiano, otherwise known as Lasithi Plateau" could be moved to another section, such as tourism? Or perhaps it could be reworded to something like "Crete is notable as a tourist destination because of its mountain villages, including the Lasithi plateau"?
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Could the History section be moved to the beginning of the article? For the sake of consistency. As far as I can tell, this is the preferred format (see: Sardinia, Cyprus).-- Adûnâi ( talk) 14:34, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
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I read the article, I made some changes to the text. Then I made a major effort trying to improve the layout by reorganizing, shuffling, resizing and removing images. I also noticed a few issues that I list below.
1. "Crete is mountainous, and its character is defined by a high mountain range crossing from west to east, formed by three different groups of mountains."
The list that follows has 5 instead of 3 groups of mountains which is inconsistent.
2. What the heck is "Human geography"? I changed it to "Geography" which makes more sense and sounds better. There is nothing human about geography.
3. The Diktaean Cave is not the only birthplace of Zeus. Crete has at least another place in the west of the island called Idaean Cave on Mount Ida (I visited both and I like Greek mythology so I'm not making it up).
4. The image [ [4]] is not truly at the Heraklion Archeological Museum. I have been on site and it looks quite different. Also, it should be labeled "Bull-leaping" and not just "Minoan fresco".
5. The article talks about Giacomo Foscarini and Marco Foscarini. Was there a connection between the two?
6. "on the eve of the Greek War of Independence, as much as 45% of the population of the island may have been Muslim."
What´s the year? Most readers certainly do not know. It should be added.
7. "Tahmiscizade Mehmed Macid: Memorialst".
What the heck does "Memorialst" mean? Explain.
8. "*Likewise, as stated above, Mustafa Naili Pasha was Albanian/Egyptian."
This note is unrelated, unnecessary and useless. It should be removed.
ICE77 ( talk) 06:24, 15 October 2017 (UTC)
I took the liberty of doing a re-write and adding references, hope no one minds. Mickmct ( talk) 08:16, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
For all of you who argue about various names of Crete, go to the book of William Martin Leake (1814) Researches in Greece page 64-65 where William Martin Leake apologise for english speaking people, for calling Crete anything else than Crete, as he personally observed in the early 19th century, the people of Crete only refered to the islan with its anciant name, Κρήτη, therafore all other names mentioned in this article will be removed. W5ry3 ( talk) 21:36, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
Based on the latest , I wanted to check on what the sources were for Crete's land area. I narrowed my search parameters to Greek government sources, but I ended up with conflicting information.
My first result was the Enterprise Greek brochure attempting to attract investment on Crete, which states 8335 square kilometers. This is one off from the originally stated land area in the article of 8336 square kilometers. A second source from Greece's GeoData website, lists 8312.9 square kilometers (the file is in Greek). The Greek wiki article has a different value of 8303 kilometers squared in the infobox and 8336 in the article text.
I would like to use the 8312.9 value from the GeoData set since it comes from the Greek (Hellenic Statistical Authority), but since this change looks like it might have to apply to numerous foreign language wikis I want to be sure. Inomyabcs ( talk) 21:17, 4 November 2022 (UTC)