![]() | This page is
not a forum for general discussion about Pro/ENGINEER. Any such comments
may be removed or
refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about Pro/ENGINEER at the
Reference desk. PTC maintains forums for Pro/ENGINEER discussion and support on their website. |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||
|
License request failed for feature PROE_986895: -25:License server does not support this version of this feature.
It would be nice to have a history of this product. Right now there isn't even a date for the first release, and the CAD and Parametric Technology Corporation articles give conflicting information. -- S Roper 14:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Image:ProE Splash screen.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 04:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I've removed all but the official site link here for discussion:
These are all pretty questionable links per WP:EL, and some look like WP:SPAM-- Ronz 15:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
More information on this would be nice, similar to the Solidworks page. Thanks Tmaull 18:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Is CLASS A Surfacing is possible using Pro-Surfacing, What is the advantage of ISDX module over Pro-Surfacing. ???
thanks< —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.73.4 ( talk) 10:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
As Parametric_feature_based_modeler redirects to solid modeling should the links be consolidated, and perhaps the text cleaned up a bit? It was confusing to me as a novice looking for information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.17 ( talk) 04:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
184.44.135.76 ( talk) 05:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)== Lack of Criticism Section, NPOV == I see no criticism section describing how PTC has systematically misrepresented and oversold its products. I am a design engineer and our company wasted more than two million dollars attempting to switch from AutoCAD to Pro/Engineer from 1997-2000. It was buggy, constantly crashed, and didn't do what the salesmen said it would. Our effort became a failure, a devastating waste of resources, and this experience was widespread throughout the industry at the time. What PTC's salesmen did was criminal and some companies actually sued. There are a lot of engineers out there who have vowed to never buy a PTC product again, and we still talk about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.177.137 ( talk) 14:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I had a similar experience with my business: their 'customer service' seems far more interested in overcharging and fighting than delivering a fair and honestly represented product. Based on my use of other of their (MathCad) products and a student version of ProEngineer, it was hard to get good technical help, while ProE (student vers.) itself was extraordinarily buggy. Of course, they always insist it's not their problem (nothing like arguing with tech support to make you feel positive about the product). Currently in a legal dispute based on their charges for products I never used, but will drop it if they get some common sense. Felt like we got trapped into this one. By the way, they like to cultivate that 'mystery factor' in more ways than one:--no warranties, no trials, no 'peeking', then you realize the product is oversold, misrepresented, and more. Classic hardsell tactics in the computer age. Your only recourse is to go legal--for all their attempt at scientific glitz, they are quite lacking in fair-play and even-handed practices. --another, Jan. 26, 2013.
I would mostly ignore the two comments above. The people at PTC are well-known for not being warm, cuddly, and helpful to small companies but the product works. It's not "buggy", it doesn't "constantly crash", the student version was free (or low cost at other times in their history), there's nothing it won't do except create intelligence in the empty heads of some users. Every major company on the planet uses it succesfully, which should tell you something about the unattributed comments above. 116.231.73.114 ( talk) 01:43, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
{{move|Creo Elements Pro (formerly Pro/ENGINEER)} PTC has recently re-branded one of its larger products, formerly known as Pro/ENGINEER. You can see from the page's edit history that I (and perhaps others) have gone through and attempted to correctly reflect that change. The page title change would also help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abelniak ( talk • contribs)
![]() | This page is
not a forum for general discussion about Pro/ENGINEER. Any such comments
may be removed or
refactored. Please limit discussion to improvement of this article. You may wish to ask factual questions about Pro/ENGINEER at the
Reference desk. PTC maintains forums for Pro/ENGINEER discussion and support on their website. |
![]() | This article is rated Start-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||
|
License request failed for feature PROE_986895: -25:License server does not support this version of this feature.
It would be nice to have a history of this product. Right now there isn't even a date for the first release, and the CAD and Parametric Technology Corporation articles give conflicting information. -- S Roper 14:12, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Image:ProE Splash screen.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. BetacommandBot 04:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I've removed all but the official site link here for discussion:
These are all pretty questionable links per WP:EL, and some look like WP:SPAM-- Ronz 15:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
More information on this would be nice, similar to the Solidworks page. Thanks Tmaull 18:25, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Is CLASS A Surfacing is possible using Pro-Surfacing, What is the advantage of ISDX module over Pro-Surfacing. ???
thanks< —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.73.4 ( talk) 10:09, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
As Parametric_feature_based_modeler redirects to solid modeling should the links be consolidated, and perhaps the text cleaned up a bit? It was confusing to me as a novice looking for information —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.129.251.17 ( talk) 04:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
184.44.135.76 ( talk) 05:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)== Lack of Criticism Section, NPOV == I see no criticism section describing how PTC has systematically misrepresented and oversold its products. I am a design engineer and our company wasted more than two million dollars attempting to switch from AutoCAD to Pro/Engineer from 1997-2000. It was buggy, constantly crashed, and didn't do what the salesmen said it would. Our effort became a failure, a devastating waste of resources, and this experience was widespread throughout the industry at the time. What PTC's salesmen did was criminal and some companies actually sued. There are a lot of engineers out there who have vowed to never buy a PTC product again, and we still talk about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.60.177.137 ( talk) 14:04, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I had a similar experience with my business: their 'customer service' seems far more interested in overcharging and fighting than delivering a fair and honestly represented product. Based on my use of other of their (MathCad) products and a student version of ProEngineer, it was hard to get good technical help, while ProE (student vers.) itself was extraordinarily buggy. Of course, they always insist it's not their problem (nothing like arguing with tech support to make you feel positive about the product). Currently in a legal dispute based on their charges for products I never used, but will drop it if they get some common sense. Felt like we got trapped into this one. By the way, they like to cultivate that 'mystery factor' in more ways than one:--no warranties, no trials, no 'peeking', then you realize the product is oversold, misrepresented, and more. Classic hardsell tactics in the computer age. Your only recourse is to go legal--for all their attempt at scientific glitz, they are quite lacking in fair-play and even-handed practices. --another, Jan. 26, 2013.
I would mostly ignore the two comments above. The people at PTC are well-known for not being warm, cuddly, and helpful to small companies but the product works. It's not "buggy", it doesn't "constantly crash", the student version was free (or low cost at other times in their history), there's nothing it won't do except create intelligence in the empty heads of some users. Every major company on the planet uses it succesfully, which should tell you something about the unattributed comments above. 116.231.73.114 ( talk) 01:43, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
{{move|Creo Elements Pro (formerly Pro/ENGINEER)} PTC has recently re-branded one of its larger products, formerly known as Pro/ENGINEER. You can see from the page's edit history that I (and perhaps others) have gone through and attempted to correctly reflect that change. The page title change would also help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abelniak ( talk • contribs)