Ugh...I wanted to review this now, but the length is...well, long. Also, I just got done reviewing another article, so maybe later tonight or tomorrow.
TCN7JM00:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Okay, seeing as you're undoubtedly taking this to ACR right after I pass this, I'm going to scrutinize the article a bit more.
Using "northeastern terminus" in the lead and "east end" in the infobox is inconsistent. Is this accepted in recognized content? If not, I'd say use either one or the other.
What kind of interchange does the Creek Turnpike share with I-44?
I am not sure what the name of this kind of interchange is; the Creek Turnpike effectively splits away from/merges into the Turner. Hopefully the explanatory note added will suffice.
Why is there a random map of the world in the upper-left corner of the map in this section? It's not a locator, so what does that add?
It is meant to be a locator; there are a few white pixels on that inset that are the locator box. The only problem is that it's not that visible because the map is zoomed in so far. Happy5214 is going to set me up with a better version of this map after some changes he made to the OSM data propagate to the map renderer. After that's done, I may be able to make the locator more visible. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Although it's quite obvious, you should mention which terminus this is for US-169.
Is it absolutely necessary to put the single law enforcement sentence in a standalone paragraph?
Probably not. I would normally put this in a services section, but the Creek has no service plazas, so creating such a section would be silly. Which paragraph would you think would be a good merge target? —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
I can't find a good place to merge it. I would put the final two paragraphs into a section lead if the section wasn't so small, but I'm not sure that would work on this short an RD.
TCN7JM03:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
That seems a bit too random. This is good info to have in the article, it's just unclear where to put it. In the end, maybe it will have to stay in it's own paragraph.
TCN7JM04:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Planning for the first segment
Remember to use OTA in parentheses first before using it alone as an abbreviation.
I added OTA and ODOT parenthesis in the lead (since I seem to have forgotten to include maintenance info in the lead for some reason). Is this sufficient or will I need to include it again in the article body? —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Why is "notice to proceed" in quotes? Plagiarism issue?
That, and I'm not entirely sure whether there is such a thing as a formal notice to proceed, or if it's just a letter OTA sent saying "Y'all can start buildin' now, if'n ya want to." —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Unless the estimates were exactly double what was expected, I'd use some kind of modifying adjective.
The source gave the expected estimates as a range, from 3,000 to 5,000. Not really sure how to resolve, since 3,000 doubled is 6,000 (actual was more than double) and 5,000 doubled is 10,000 (actual was less than double). —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
In the sentence about the Bank of Oklahoma protest, it looked at first that "closed" was being used as an adjective instead of a verb. I would reword the sentence to avoid this issue.
Is there a total cost for the work the Norman firm did or just the cost per tree?
The source doesn't give a total, although it does split the cost per tree into how much was for the planting and how much was for the maintenance. I added them since I figured that would be what the reader was ultimately interested in. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
You say when the last segment was scheduled to open, but not when it actually did. I'm assuming the two dates are the same, but a confused reader might think differently.
Funnily enough, the Tulsa World didn't run an article on when it opened. Before it opened was the source cited, then afterward the only coverage of it was a few photos, the captions of which didn't contain an opening date. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Tolls
Passengers pay the tolls if you're in a two-axle vehicle but drivers pay them if you're in a vehicle with more than two axles?
Technically the driver is a passenger, like a square is a rectangle. Also, this is part of my plan to make people riding with me cough up money when I'm on the Creek Turnpike by pointing at this article and saying Wikipedia says so... No, seriously, it was an ill-advised attempt to vary sentence structure. Subbed "passengers" out. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
I also note the inconsistency in punctuation in those first two sentences. Easily-avoidable parentheses are used in the first sentence, while commas, which look neater, are used in the second.
Okay, I see I misconstrued this intersection a bit. Add begins in the direction parameter for US-169 and mention the concurrency in the notes.
TCN7JM04:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
"Eastern" shouldn't be capitalized in the US-64/US-169 notes column.
This was a very interesting article to read! I had no idea so much opposition existed for such a short turnpike. Well, that's it for my review. I'm putting the article on hold for you to address these concerns.
TCN7JM03:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
The changes recently made to the article make me feel that this one meets the Good Article criteria. I'm passing it.
TCN7JM05:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Ugh...I wanted to review this now, but the length is...well, long. Also, I just got done reviewing another article, so maybe later tonight or tomorrow.
TCN7JM00:58, 27 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Okay, seeing as you're undoubtedly taking this to ACR right after I pass this, I'm going to scrutinize the article a bit more.
Using "northeastern terminus" in the lead and "east end" in the infobox is inconsistent. Is this accepted in recognized content? If not, I'd say use either one or the other.
What kind of interchange does the Creek Turnpike share with I-44?
I am not sure what the name of this kind of interchange is; the Creek Turnpike effectively splits away from/merges into the Turner. Hopefully the explanatory note added will suffice.
Why is there a random map of the world in the upper-left corner of the map in this section? It's not a locator, so what does that add?
It is meant to be a locator; there are a few white pixels on that inset that are the locator box. The only problem is that it's not that visible because the map is zoomed in so far. Happy5214 is going to set me up with a better version of this map after some changes he made to the OSM data propagate to the map renderer. After that's done, I may be able to make the locator more visible. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Although it's quite obvious, you should mention which terminus this is for US-169.
Is it absolutely necessary to put the single law enforcement sentence in a standalone paragraph?
Probably not. I would normally put this in a services section, but the Creek has no service plazas, so creating such a section would be silly. Which paragraph would you think would be a good merge target? —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
I can't find a good place to merge it. I would put the final two paragraphs into a section lead if the section wasn't so small, but I'm not sure that would work on this short an RD.
TCN7JM03:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
That seems a bit too random. This is good info to have in the article, it's just unclear where to put it. In the end, maybe it will have to stay in it's own paragraph.
TCN7JM04:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Planning for the first segment
Remember to use OTA in parentheses first before using it alone as an abbreviation.
I added OTA and ODOT parenthesis in the lead (since I seem to have forgotten to include maintenance info in the lead for some reason). Is this sufficient or will I need to include it again in the article body? —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Why is "notice to proceed" in quotes? Plagiarism issue?
That, and I'm not entirely sure whether there is such a thing as a formal notice to proceed, or if it's just a letter OTA sent saying "Y'all can start buildin' now, if'n ya want to." —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Unless the estimates were exactly double what was expected, I'd use some kind of modifying adjective.
The source gave the expected estimates as a range, from 3,000 to 5,000. Not really sure how to resolve, since 3,000 doubled is 6,000 (actual was more than double) and 5,000 doubled is 10,000 (actual was less than double). —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
In the sentence about the Bank of Oklahoma protest, it looked at first that "closed" was being used as an adjective instead of a verb. I would reword the sentence to avoid this issue.
Is there a total cost for the work the Norman firm did or just the cost per tree?
The source doesn't give a total, although it does split the cost per tree into how much was for the planting and how much was for the maintenance. I added them since I figured that would be what the reader was ultimately interested in. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
You say when the last segment was scheduled to open, but not when it actually did. I'm assuming the two dates are the same, but a confused reader might think differently.
Funnily enough, the Tulsa World didn't run an article on when it opened. Before it opened was the source cited, then afterward the only coverage of it was a few photos, the captions of which didn't contain an opening date. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]03:47, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
Tolls
Passengers pay the tolls if you're in a two-axle vehicle but drivers pay them if you're in a vehicle with more than two axles?
Technically the driver is a passenger, like a square is a rectangle. Also, this is part of my plan to make people riding with me cough up money when I'm on the Creek Turnpike by pointing at this article and saying Wikipedia says so... No, seriously, it was an ill-advised attempt to vary sentence structure. Subbed "passengers" out. —
Scott5114↗[EXACT CHANGE ONLY]04:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
I also note the inconsistency in punctuation in those first two sentences. Easily-avoidable parentheses are used in the first sentence, while commas, which look neater, are used in the second.
Okay, I see I misconstrued this intersection a bit. Add begins in the direction parameter for US-169 and mention the concurrency in the notes.
TCN7JM04:40, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
"Eastern" shouldn't be capitalized in the US-64/US-169 notes column.
This was a very interesting article to read! I had no idea so much opposition existed for such a short turnpike. Well, that's it for my review. I'm putting the article on hold for you to address these concerns.
TCN7JM03:32, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply
The changes recently made to the article make me feel that this one meets the Good Article criteria. I'm passing it.
TCN7JM05:24, 29 March 2013 (UTC)reply